Do you own your body?

[Rotadom]

It's a shame that this that exists.

 

[Bn2f]

Trump secret plans are always two weeks away.​

Or maybe, just maybe, Trump is not going to state his (abortion) position until after the election.

Trump’s Abortion-Pill Stance ‘2 Weeks Away,’ Which Is Trumpspeak for ‘Never’​

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-abortion-pill-2-weeks-away-ban-mifepistrone.html​

 

[TastySuckToy]

Here's the actual thing Trump said:

“Now the states are deciding. And by the way, in many cases, like Ohio, it became… more liberal or progressive than people would have thought,” Trump told Hannity. “But the people of Ohio decided. The people of Kansas decided. The people are now deciding.

“And it’s taken it off the shoulders of the federal government. Always they wanted it to be decided by the states. And Roe v. Wade didn’t do that. It put it into the federal government,” he continued. “So now states are voting on it. And in many cases, it’s more…liberal. In many cases, not in all cases. In some cases, they’re going the other direction. But the people are deciding. The people are deciding. And in many ways, it’s a beautiful thing to watch.”

Trump is saying that letting the people in states decide is a good thing and takes the issue off of the Federal government shoulders deciding for everyone.

Trump's literally saying his Federal government position will not decide the issue for people, which is actually him promoting the idea of the Federal government reliquishing power over people.

At no point did he say banning abortion was a beautiful thing. He said that people and the states deciding for themselves is a beautiful thing.

So, adrina, did you lie on purpose or just swallow Trump derangement propaganda without a second thought?

 

[ll74]

Here's the actual thing Trump said:


Trump is saying that letting the people in states decide is a good thing and takes the issue off of the Federal government shoulders deciding for everyone.

Trump's literally saying his Federal government position will not decide the issue for people, which is actually him promoting the idea of the Federal government reliquishing power over people.

At no point did he say banning abortion was a beautiful thing. He said that people and the states deciding for themselves is a beautiful thing.

So, adrina, did you lie on purpose or just swallow Trump derangement propaganda without a second thought?

I think you probably misunderstood how any government deciding choices for women, state or federal, is not a good thing. The state government is not the people any more than the federal government is the people. It's just more local to you. They are representatives, not the actual people


If any government decides that your healthcare is dependent on their rules, that's not good and 45 is celebrating it.

 

[adrina]

Here's the actual thing Trump said:


Trump is saying that letting the people in states decide is a good thing and takes the issue off of the Federal government shoulders deciding for everyone.

Trump's literally saying his Federal government position will not decide the issue for people, which is actually him promoting the idea of the Federal government reliquishing power over people.

At no point did he say banning abortion was a beautiful thing. He said that people and the states deciding for themselves is a beautiful thing.

So, adrina, did you lie on purpose or just swallow Trump derangement propaganda without a second thought?

Rights dependent upon geography are not a beautiful thing.

Trump thinks it is. Apparently so do you. You are both wrong. It is an ugly blight upon humanity.

And honestly you are just another ignorant man with extreme judgments about something you will never experience.

If you believe that Trump won't enact a national ban, or won't support a national ban on certain medication, you're even more of an ignorant idiot than you display.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I think you probably misunderstood how any government deciding choices for women, state or federal, is not a good thing.

And Trump did his part by literally kicking the Federal gocernment out of it.

The state government is not the people any more than the federal government is the people. It's just more local to you. They are representatives, not the actual people


If any government decides that your healthcare is dependent on their rules, that's not good and 45 is celebrating it.

He's celebrating two things: kicking the Federal government out of the issue and that people are exercising more local government decisions on the issue.

Which is a positive for women. Now instead of arguing with an entire country, people just need to argue within their state, and if they don't like the outcome, they now have a the option to move to a state that better suits their preferences.

 

[adrina]

And Trump did his part by literally kicking the Federal gocernment out of it.

He's celebrating two things: kicking the Federal government out of the issue and that people are exercising more local government decisions on the issue.

Which is a positive for women. Now instead of arguing with an entire country, people just need to argue within their state, and if they don't like the outcome, they now have a the option to move to a state that better suits their preferences.

And he is wrong. A very small minority wanted the end of roe. This is not positive for women. And the fact that you say so shows just how stupid you are.

 

[adrina]

Any man who says abortion bans put in place by the states are good for women has proven just how ignorant they are as well as just how disconnected from reality they are.

JFC

This type of bullshit is why men lost my trust when it comes to making policy.

 

[ll74]

And Trump did his part by literally kicking the Federal gocernment out of it.

Taking away rights of the people in favor of the government

Yeah you don't get it

He's celebrating two things: kicking the Federal government out of the issue and that people are exercising more local government decisions on the issue.

Which is a positive for women. Now instead of arguing with an entire country, people just need to argue within their state, and if they don't like the outcome, they now have a the option to move to a state that better suits their preferences.

The people should have federal rights to make medical choices.

Our medical care should NOT be dependent on where in the country we live.

 

[Bn2f]

...they now have a the option to move to a state that better suits their preferences.

Once someone says this, whether on the right or left, should immediately signal an end to any meaningful dialogue.

Also, let's be serious, who on the left ever says this in arguing?

 

[TastySuckToy]

Rights dependent upon geography are not a beautiful thing.

Rights are created and enforced by society. The smaller number of people you have to argue with about rights, the better it is for the individuals.

If you believe that Trump won't enact a national ban, or won't support a national ban on certain medication, you're even more of an ignorant idiot than you display.

I'll let Trump tell me his positions and actions on issues, not you.

And he is wrong.

Just yelling someone is 'wrong' is not a valid argument.

A very small minority wanted the end of roe. This is not positive for women. And the fact that you say so shows just how stupid you are.

Your name calling is just you demonstrating you don't have a valid argument.

Trump is drastically downsizing the government entities people need to argue with to decide rights. This is a good thing, period.

 

[jaF0]

Again, strengthen HIPAA so no one can even know beside the doctor and the patient.

Service should be done at hospital OB wards so there are no specialized clinics for anyone to watch who comes and goes.

 

[Lazaran]

And Trump did his part by literally kicking the Federal gocernment out of it.

TaintyFuckBoi FAILS to realize that Roe basically kicked ALL OF GOVERNMENT “out of it”.



TaintyDuckBoi

 

[adrina]

Rights are created and enforced by society. The smaller number of people you have to argue with about rights, the better it is for the individuals.

I'll let Trump tell me his positions and actions on issues, not you.

Just yelling someone is 'wrong' is not a valid argument.

Your name calling is just you demonstrating you don't have a valid argument.

Trump is drastically downsizing the government entities people need to argue with to decide rights. This is a good thing, period.

Rights were removed by the courts by the more than dubious placement of the last three justices on the court. With several of them blatantly committing perjury.

You already felt you were capable and able of explaining Trump speak. Just like all the other conservatives get to do. Tomorrow you can tell us more of what Trump actually meant. There will be more opportunities.

You are, however, wrong. Very wrong.

You are, however an idiot. And stupid.

Your last statement proves the above two. Trump didn't downsize anything. He decentralized a single authority into 50 different policy sets. That's the opposite.

Removing rights after 50 years of precedence is not a good thing. You only think so because you can't stomach the idea of abortion. Which you will never have to worry about dealing with.

Putting the government between a person and healthcare is never a good idea.

Again, you are the type of man - along with those who didn't push back against this insane bullshit - who killed my trust in men to handle policy. They showed - just like you are showing now - that they have no problem creating policy based on fear of something they will never experience.

You - and they - sacrificed women. And have the gall to say it's a good thing. JFC

 

[Bn2f]

Again, strengthen HIPAA so no one can even know beside the doctor and the patient.

Service should be done at hospital OB wards so there are no specialized clinics for anyone to watch who comes and goes.

I think this line of thinking vastly underestimates the eager will to disrupt personal and business dealings from those claiming to be anti-abortionists.

 

[jaF0]

They can't disrupt what they don't know about.

 

[Bn2f]

I think this line of thinking vastly underestimates the eager will to disrupt personal and business dealings from those claiming to be anti-abortionists.

Apologies Jafo - I should have included a solution to counter your suggestion since I criticized, but I think you know what I'm gonna say.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Trump didn't downsize anything. He decentralized a single authority into 50 different policy sets. That's the opposite.

Trump has kicked the Federal government out of the abortion debate. That's a great thing, government shouldn't be involved at all. Now people can more effectively steer their more local government. Federal government down, now people can start the work on getting state government out of the issue as well.

Removing rights after 50 years of precedence is not a good thing.

Nobody's rights were removed, Trump made the first step towards the government getting out of people's personal lives, which is great. Federal level kicked out, now people can work on the state level.

You only think so because you can't stomach the idea of abortion.

You've already forgotten that I support terminating a pregnancy at any point in time for any reason whatsoever?

Putting the government between a person and healthcare is never a good idea.

I agree, which is why I'm glad Trump started with the Federal government. Now people can work on the state governments.

 

[adrina]

Trump has kicked the Federal government out of the abortion debate. That's a great thing, government shouldn't be involved at all. Now people can more effectively steer their more local government. Federal government down, now people can start the work on getting state government out of the issue as well.

Nobody's rights were removed, Trump made the first step towards the government getting out of people's personal lives, which is great. Federal level kicked out, now people can work on the state level.

You've already forgotten that I support terminating a pregnancy at any point in time for any reason whatsoever?

I agree, which is why I'm glad Trump started with the Federal government. Now people can work on the state governments.

No it's not.

Objectively, logically, rationally it's not.

Having 50 sets of rules instead of 1 set is not good. Having women forced to carry rape pregnancies is not a good thing. That you think so is not rational.

Supporting states banning abortion is not supporting abortion rights. Regardless of what you think.

Justify how having 100k women forced to carry rape pregnancies is a good thing.

 

[jaF0]

Having 50 sets of rules instead of 1 set is not good.

The 50 states can't even agree on something as simple as speed limits and raised holy hell when the Feds set one.

Most serious laws and even things like professional licenses and permits vary by state.

 

[ll74]

Trump has kicked the Federal government out of the abortion debate. That's a great thing, government shouldn't be involved at all. Now people can more effectively steer their more local government. Federal government down, now people can start the work on getting state government out of the issue as well.

Nobody's rights were removed, Trump made the first step towards the government getting out of people's personal lives, which is great. Federal level kicked out, now people can work on the state level.

You've already forgotten that I support terminating a pregnancy at any point in time for any reason whatsoever?

I agree, which is why I'm glad Trump started with the Federal government. Now people can work on the state governments.

The federal government deferred to the peoples medical choices. Then they decided that instead they'd prefer 50 different voices to dictate those medical choices.

Nobody gives a shit about your view on a woman's right to medical care. Just as you shouldnt give a shit about anyone else's view of your choices.

The matter was settled and Trump changed that.

 

[adrina]

The 50 states can't even agree on something as simple as speed limits and raised holy hell when the Feds set one.

Most serious laws and even things like professional licenses and permits vary by state.

Not for health care services available to people. Only abortion gets that treatment.

Whether one has to have 600 or 400 hours of study to become a massage therapist etc is specific to the regulation of an industry. Not the regulation of a human body.

 

[TastySuckToy]

Having 50 sets of rules instead of 1 set is not good.

Only because you're so thick headed and constantly whining about men that you don't realize Trump closed the door on a Federal government banning abortion.

Having women forced to carry rape pregnancies is not a good thing. That you think so is not rational.

Never made that argument and I don't hold that position. Quit lying.

Supporting states banning abortion is not supporting abortion rights. Regardless of what you think.

I can support a state making it's own decisions and laws without supporting what those decisions and laws may be, you stupid idiot.

Justify how having 100k women forced to carry rape pregnancies is a good thing.

Never have, never will. More of you just lying because you're so delusional you refuse to see how removing government from abortion decisions is a good thing.

 

[ll74]

Never have, never will. More of you just lying because you're so delusional you refuse to see how removing government from abortion decisions is a good thing.

The government was removed from abortion. Now it is not.

 

[Lazaran]

The 50 states can't even agree on something as simple as speed limits and raised holy hell when the Feds set one.

Most serious laws and even things like professional licenses and permits vary by state.

WTAF are you trying to say here???