Do smokers really care about the results of smoking or . . .

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

do the neuro toxins in the smokes have them oblivious to anything other than the enjoyment of bogarting the leaf?

 

[Tyrael]

It's kinda like what Dennis Leary sez :

"It's a drug, we're addicted"

It's kind of hard to say no to it. Why do you think people who want to quit smoking usually quit 5 or 6 times? I know from experience.

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Why do you think people who want to quit smoking usually quit 5 or 6 times?

Neuro toxins and subliminal adverising

 

[alexandraaah]

For me, it's more of a denial thing.

I am down to very few a day.

Smoking is not a character flaw, just a bad habit.

NOT a character flaw.

 

[Tyrael]

More likely it's the nicotine instead of sublininal advertising. They can't show cigarette ads on tv here.

 

[lavender]

 

[Angel]

 

[Tim1]

Its tough

Smokers play the odds and hope they never get caught. I smoked for 0ver 20 years and quit maybe 10 times. Once for 4 years. This time its been 4 weeks but this time it feels different. I think this time will be the last time.

 

[Angel]

More likely it's the nicotine instead of sublininal advertising. They can't show cigarette ads on tv here.

You know, Cigarette ads are phony, cheesey and annoying. They make me want to puke, not smoke.

I've always smoked Newports. Have you ever seen a Newport ad?

Now look at the people you know who smoke Newports. We really DONT want to look like that ad, sorry. I smoke because I am addicted. I smoke Newports because they taste damn good.

Actually, I smoke nothing now and I haven't for going on five days. Heh.

do the neuro toxins in the smokes have them oblivious to anything other than the enjoyment of bogarting the leaf?

And generally we do know and care what they are doing to our bodies. Perhaps the definitions of the terms Habit, Mental Addiction and Physical Addiction are over your head?



(Edited because I forgot the Todd quote, and so Tyrael can stop telling me what to post )

 

[Svedish_Chef]

No they dont.

they smoke cause they like it... subliminal advertising my ass.

I smoke when I feel like it... I know what it does, I make my choice.

Eat me toddly

 

[Tyrael]

Perhaps the definitions of the terms Habit, Mental Addiction and Physical Addiction are over your head?

You know next time a simple "Go fuck yourself, you worthless toad" would be quicker.

He asked for an opinion and I gave it.

 

[Angel]

You know next time a simple "Go fuck yourself, you worthless toad" would be quicker.

He asked for an opinion and I gave it.

Um, I replied to your comment about Cigarette ads. The statement you quoted had nothing to do with you or what you said and was directed at Todd and not you.




(Oops, I accidentally left out the second quote in my other post, I fixed it now you can stop whining.)

 

[Moridin187]

Yeah, we do worry. It bothers me that I can't run more than a couple hundred yards without gasping. But, I'm addicted. I'm trying to cut down.. But nicotine fits are a horror that simply cannot be described to someone who has never had one. Some people can just stop anytime they want, some have the chemical so deep in their system going a few hours without one completely incapacitates them..

I'm in the latter group.

 

[PainSlut]

I smoked for years... 1 and half packs of newport lights a day..*licks her lips* they were very delicious and if i could i'd go right back to smoking after 3 years of being away from them.... i didn't smoke to be cool, to be trendy, to be thin or to get men... i smoked because i loved it.. i loved the way it felt as i took a deep drag... the way the cherry burned brighter... *sigh* i loved everything about it....

 

[Tyrael]

Oh that's nice. First you word the post so it basically says I'm too stupid to understand "Habit, Mental Addiction and Physical Addiction".

And when I get upset at being called a moron for no real reason at all I'm whining.

And on top of that suddenly I'm telling you what you can and can't post.

I guarantee if I had done something like that with a quote from your post you'd have fussed at me too.

 

[Angel]

Oh that's nice. First you word the post so it basically says I'm too stupid to understand "Habit, Mental Addiction and Physical Addiction".

And when I get upset at being called a moron for no real reason at all I'm whining.

And on top of that suddenly I'm telling you what you can and can't post.

I guarantee if I had done something like that with a quote from your post you'd have fussed at me too.

Actually, I didn't word my post like that. You cut one sentence out of a small paragraph which indicated what Todd said in his first post, which is why I tacked it on at the end.

And you suggested what I should have posted instead, so I was jabbing back for that.

Would I have fussed too? Maybe, unless I reread the damn post before flying off the damn handle. I might have asked instead, if that last part was directed at me.

Or I might have fussed. Either way, I wouldn't be all upset about it.

 

[Shane]

smoking...ah. nothing like it. i think about what it's doing to me, sure. everyone does, at least once in a while. why do you think we all quit 4, 6, 10, 57 times? you can tell when suddenly you're winded from just walkin up a flight of stairs...and your chest hurts...and you cough up blood (my newport smoking friends will vouch for that)...but the truth for me... whenever i am uncomfortable or worried or lonely...cigarettes are there. it is an addiction, but it's not the sort of addiction where it's like, "if there isn't a cigarette in my mouth i can't function"...it's more the type of bad relationship a lot of people have with food and drugs...you reach for it to comfort you, and oftentimes it does, and that's why i always end up going back. i pride myself on the fact that at least i have reached step one...but feeling comfortable in group settings and meeting new people and having anxiety are issues that aren't addressed overnight...alas, neither will smoking...

 

[LadyDarkFire]

do the neuro toxins in the smokes have them oblivious to anything other than the enjoyment of bogarting the leaf?

I smoke, and I do care about the effects. I care about the effects on my own body, and the health of others. I worry what my smoking might send as a message to my godkids, or if it will harm them, and I worry about if I will be around for their older lives. I try to quit, and I limit myself to never going to a pack a day when smoking. I smoke outside, and the only time I ever smoke around my godkids is if they are outside, upwind, and far enough a way so they don't see what I'm doing. I'm addicted, I will freely admit that. I didn't start smoking because it was cool, I started because I was curious. I do regret the effects of the choice, but it is a choice that has effected my life. Frankly, I hope to quit one day, but for now, I will try to remain under 3 smokes a day (so far, so good) and I will always tell my godkids that they shouldn't try smoking.

One of my friends once asked me a very similar question to this, and then tried to put me down for not quitting. I respondes with this: Before you think of smokers as bad people, or weak willed, try being in the clutches of something that is more addicting than heroin. Try parting yourself from something that has become a safety blanket to you. Then Imagine doing all of that while your body is going through fits of withdrawl, and the stress of your life is driving you to go back to old habits. Try finding out that the patches that will stop the withdrawl give you horrible hives, and that the gum causes the inside of your mouth to become painfully inflamed. Walk a mile in those shoes, and be honest. Do you think you could quit? No? Then don't try to knock someone who's going through at least part of that, and maybe more.

Smoking has it's effects, yes, but so do alot of things in life. Running on asphalt can harm your joints. Sitting at a computer so many hours a day can cause you pain in your hands and wrists. People have bad habits that they don't want to give up, or can't. Smokers are people, not just things with lips and lungs to draw in smoke.

 

[WriterDom]

They smoke because of the monkey on their back. All the shit about enjoying it is crap. No healthy set of lungs gleefully accepts an inhale. When you think about it, the whole concept of smoking is insane.

 

[Moridin187]

They smoke because of the monkey on their back. All the shit about enjoying it is crap.

Ah, but that's just the thing, we enjoy it BECAUSE of the monkey on our back.

Think about having an itch in the small of your back for a few hours, driving you crazy, but you just can't reach it.. Then finally scratch it.. Now take that relief, that pleasure.. and multiply it a thousandfold..

That's what it's like when you smoke a cigarette when you're craving.

 

[IA951]

who is this joker?

don't like the cigarettes eh todd?

what the hell ever happened to the idea of personal responsibility in this country?

The way those sub-human lawyers raped the tobacco corporations was just disgusting. Fucking gangster lawyers.

 

[Moridin187]

That's always bothered me.. People who hate smokers.

Yeah, I smoke. I accept that it's screwing my body up.

Do I smoke around pregnant women or children? No.
Do I smoke around non-smokers without asking permission first? No.
Do I go outside when someone is bothered by my smoking? Yes.

Yeah, I probably smell like cigarettes. And some people hate that smell. Well, some people douse themselves in perfume or cologne and that gives me an asthma attack. Do I hate them? No. Do I try to make them stop wearing perfume or cologne? No.

I smoke, my choice. If you wanna hate me because of it, that's your loss.

 

[p_p_man]

Quote from Angel:

"You know, Cigarette ads are phony, cheesey and annoying. They make me want to puke, not smoke."

That's exactly how automobile ads affect me.

ppman

 

[RisiaSkye]

Do we know? Gee, I'm guessing yeah. It's been hard to miss, what with it getting *CRAMMED* down our throats every five minutes.

Do we care? I can't speak for others, but personally, I take my risks and hope for the best. I may die sooner, but I'll live a life that I enjoy, one filled with pleasures that bring me happiness.

My grandmother's a fifty year smoker and doing fine. A close friend died of cancer at 23, never having touched the things. Pick your poisons, pare down your vices to the favorites, and stop freaking out so much. But, what do I know?

What really gets me is when I stand outside to have a cigarette, and people will walk down a street crammed with rush hour traffic bitching about the "exhaust" from my cigarette. Hypocrisy cuts in all directions.

 

[Honeygirl]

Yes - I'm aware of what smoking does to me...and I still do it. Because I love it...and it's about my personal choice and freedom to do so.

I think IA951, Moridin 187, and RisiaSkye have summed up the rest of my feelings on this issue.

I'm a considerate smoker - as are most of us...and one more thing - how come alcohol `gets away' with so much? I don't hear the same outrage when people are killed or injured through alcohol related crimes and actions.