Divorced/Separated Support Thread.

I am normally the one people turn to for advice and for the first time in my life I am the one seeking advice, me splitting with my husband isnt cause I dont love him, it is cause he cannot accept me for me, and i cannot forgive him for the verbal abuse that occured over the course of the years that then turned to physical abuse last friday night while he was inebriated... sigh.... we just spent 36 hours together and he says he will change but something tells me he wont and then ill be unhappy again.. and how do i do this to my family and to him and make myself happy without feeling like I am being selfish ...

*hugs* SKL It's a long and tumultuous road - I know. Hang in there, you have lots of support and people who care about you.

Are you in couples counseling?

Do you think it might be good to seperate for awhile, wait until the dust clears, and then when both parties are thinking more clearly; go back and re-evaluate?
 
I am normally the one people turn to for advice and for the first time in my life I am the one seeking advice, me splitting with my husband isnt cause I dont love him, it is cause he cannot accept me for me, and i cannot forgive him for the verbal abuse that occured over the course of the years that then turned to physical abuse last friday night while he was inebriated... sigh.... we just spent 36 hours together and he says he will change but something tells me he wont and then ill be unhappy again.. and how do i do this to my family and to him and make myself happy without feeling like I am being selfish ...

I don't know the full story here, but given what you've said, I strongly recommend joint counseling. You don't have to go with an end goal in mind (getting back together) either. You go to repair the relationship and move forward, which is kind of a necessity for parenting together (you two have kids together - right? and they still live at home?).
 
*hugs* SKL It's a long and tumultuous road - I know. Hang in there, you have lots of support and people who care about you.

Are you in couples counseling?

Do you think it might be good to seperate for awhile, wait until the dust clears, and then when both parties are thinking more clearly; go back and re-evaluate?

well we are split right now... and he is living elsewhere and i am in our home and it is a long and tumultuous road and I know this. Thank you Muse for your support I know I have you and the others....

ITW- I have made several attempts at counseling he always makes excuses to not attend..;)
 
I am normally the one people turn to for advice and for the first time in my life I am the one seeking advice, me splitting with my husband isnt cause I dont love him, it is cause he cannot accept me for me, and i cannot forgive him for the verbal abuse that occured over the course of the years that then turned to physical abuse last friday night while he was inebriated... sigh.... we just spent 36 hours together and he says he will change but something tells me he wont and then ill be unhappy again.. and how do i do this to my family and to him and make myself happy without feeling like I am being selfish ...


I don't know you or your situation well, but I have specialised in abuse on a professional level so can comment from that perspective. Firstly, it is normal to feel selfish, guilty etc., when you are placed in this situation and must make choices..often what you realise after you have had time to step outside the situation and look back is that those feelings were helped along by the one who was abusing you, or others on the outside who just want everything to be OK. You do not have to take responsibility for how it makes others feel, only how you feel and what is best for you. You are not doing this to your family or him, he is.

Secondly, couples/joint counselling is not adviseable when abuse has been an issue, at least not in the early stages, if ever. The reason it is not advisable is it often increases the abuse, provides more ammunition for the abuser to make you feel you are the one to blame and/or abuse you further, and puts you in a situation of unequal power when you are most vulnerable.

Many abusers abuse when they are under the influence, but research has shown that it is not the substance abuse which caused the abuse but more so it provided an excuse for them to abuse. IOW, they knew before getting drunk or taking drugs that abuse was going to be the outcome..following that path provided them with an excuse which they feel validates and excuses their behaviour...it doesn't. One way of looking at it is if they didn't have control of their abuse, why do they choose to abuse their partner and not others? If it was uncontrolled, abuse would be toward anyone and everyone who they felt deserved it, who happened to cross their path, who they felt anything negative toward. You are not to blame, and the alcohol is not the reason or an excuse.

Thirdly, if you read any material on abuse and especially accounts from women and their history of domestic abuse, most will say their partner swore they would change, often after every incident of abuse, verbal, emotional, psychological and /or physical. It is part of the cycle and it is meant to make you feel responsible for what happens next....but it is not your responsibility.

My suggestion would be to seek support from a women's abuse centre in your area, take counselling if provided, and then decide what you want and need to do. Seeking support from others who have been there helps you realise you are not alone, not responsible, how to recognise patterns and the cycle of abuse/violence, and also recognise it for what it is without feeling somehow it is your responsibility to fix it or create happiness for him and your family. In the long term, abuse harms a family far more than removal from the abusive situation.

It needn't be the end of your relationship if he also seeks counselling for his abuse and recognises and takes responsibility for it, and if and only if you also want to try again. Until he acknowledges it as his issue and not yours, learns to deal with his feelings in ways which are not abusive, there is no guarantee it won't happen again or be even worse. It may also be that he cannot deal with the situation and that parting is the only option. Whichever way it goes you need to protect yourself first and foremost and do what is necessary to ensure the escalation from verbal to physical abuse does not continue at your expense. Bottom line is though he seems from what you say to be blaming you or making you feel it is because of you, if he isn't happy he can make the choice to leave and move on with his life, not abuse you..how does that fix the problem or make anyone happy?

There are several books you can read which may help, but one of the best I have found is The Gift Of Fear by Gavin De Becker. It is not just about abuse but several real stories where people chose to squash their initial intuitive feelings and suffered for it. It is a very honest book which helps overcome feelings of guilt etc., for not doing what another implies or makes you feel you should when you really know deep down it is not the best choice. Whatever you do, make sure you are happy and safe first...nobody deserves to be abused in this way.:rose:

Catalina:catroar:
 
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We ran into the husband today at the store. My little one was happy to see him, and we made nice. Kidlet did well with the whole thing. It made me sad - because what I really wanted was to do shopping together, do dinner together, do things together. I don't know why it was so hard for him. I guess we're better off apart.

I am separated. I would love to do all those things.

Just so you know....it was my fault for having me head too far up her ass that she couldn't breath. I miss her terribly. She says that she still love me, but is so angry at me for running behind her trying to see if she is cheating. She warned me that I was pushing her away, but I couldn't hear it (my head was stuck too far up her ass).
 
well we are split right now... and he is living elsewhere and i am in our home and it is a long and tumultuous road and I know this. Thank you Muse for your support I know I have you and the others....

ITW- I have made several attempts at counseling he always makes excuses to not attend..;)

If he's not willing to go to counseling, and given what cat has said about abusers, then you have done what you can do, and staying apart is what's best for you and your family. Get solo counseling to get some perspective and healing for yourself. Are their minor children in the house? If so, having him come back and forth is probably only confusing for them, if not harmful (if they're stuck in the middle).

You are strong enough to make the right decision and stick to it. And you have people to lean on when the going gets tough.
 
I don't my marriage to end, but if she really wants to go through with a divorce...I can't stop her. However, she said that she was not going to run out and get a divorce right now. But she is still getting rid of all the financial things that binds us.
 
If he's not willing to go to counseling, and given what cat has said about abusers, then you have done what you can do, and staying apart is what's best for you and your family. Get solo counseling to get some perspective and healing for yourself. Are their minor children in the house? If so, having him come back and forth is probably only confusing for them, if not harmful (if they're stuck in the middle).

You are strong enough to make the right decision and stick to it. And you have people to lean on when the going gets tough.

How can you do anything when your gut is tied in knots?
 
I don't my marriage to end, but if she really wants to go through with a divorce...I can't stop her. However, she said that she was not going to run out and get a divorce right now. But she is still getting rid of all the financial things that binds us.

How can you do anything when your gut is tied in knots?


You can't control anyone else's behavior but your own. If you have kids, you need to be strong for them, and create the most stable environment possible. Get counseling, lean on friends, pull it together.

I don't know what your situation is, so I can't really give any other advice. There is no magic trick to get someone back. You can only calmly and honestly communicate your feelings, acknowledge your mistakes and listen to her.
 
I don't know you or your situation well, but I have specialised in abuse on a professional level so can comment from that perspective. Firstly, it is normal to feel selfish, guilty etc., when you are placed in this situation and must make choices..often what you realise after you have had time to step outside the situation and look back is that those feelings were helped along by the one who was abusing you, or others on the outside who just want everything to be OK. You do not have to take responsibility for how it makes others feel, only how you feel and what is best for you. You are not doing this to your family or him, he is.

Secondly, couples/joint counselling is not adviseable when abuse has been an issue, at least not in the early stages, if ever. The reason it is not advisable is it often increases the abuse, provides more ammunition for the abuser to make you feel you are the one to blame and/or abuse you further, and puts you in a situation of unequal power when you are most vulnerable.

Many abusers abuse when they are under the influence, but research has shown that it is not the substance abuse which caused the abuse but more so it provided an excuse for them to abuse. IOW, they knew before getting drunk or taking drugs that abuse was going to be the outcome..following that path provided them with an excuse which they feel validates and excuses their behaviour...it doesn't. One way of looking at it is if they didn't have control of their abuse, why do they choose to abuse their partner and not others? If it was uncontrolled, abuse would be toward anyone and everyone who they felt deserved it, who happened to cross their path, who they felt anything negative toward. You are not to blame, and the alcohol is not the reason or an excuse.

Thirdly, if you read any material on abuse and especially accounts from women and their history of domestic abuse, most will say their partner swore they would change, often after every incident of abuse, verbal, emotional, psychological and /or physical. It is part of the cycle and it is meant to make you feel responsible for what happens next....but it is not your responsibility.

My suggestion would be to seek support from a women's abuse centre in your area, take counselling if provided, and then decide what you want and need to do. Seeking support from others who have been there helps you realise you are not alone, not responsible, how to recognise patterns and the cycle of abuse/violence, and also recognise it for what it is without feeling somehow it is your responsibility to fix it or create happiness for him and your family. In the long term, abuse harms a family far more than removal from the abusive situation.

It needn't be the end of your relationship if he also seeks counselling for his abuse and recognises and takes responsibility for it, and if and only if you also want to try again. Until he acknowledges it as his issue and not yours, learns to deal with his feelings in ways which are not abusive, there is no guarantee it won't happen again or be even worse. It may also be that he cannot deal with the situation and that parting is the only option. Whichever way it goes you need to protect yourself first and foremost and do what is necessary to ensure the escalation from verbal to physical abuse does not continue at your expense. Bottom line is though he seems from what you say to be blaming you or making you feel it is because of you, if he isn't happy he can make the choice to leave and move on with his life, not abuse you..how does that fix the problem or make anyone happy?

There are several books you can read which may help, but one of the best I have found is The Gift Of Fear by Gavin De Becker. It is not just about abuse but several real stories where people chose to squash their initial intuitive feelings and suffered for it. It is a very honest book which helps overcome feelings of guilt etc., for not doing what another implies or makes you feel you should when you really know deep down it is not the best choice. Whatever you do, make sure you are happy and safe first...nobody deserves to be abused in this way.:rose:

Catalina:catroar:

Cat- Thank you for your words of advice.. I know the vicious cycle all too much when my youngest child was little her ( biological father) who is out of the picture completely as my currrent husband adopted her was in the picture he was an abuser I went thru years of abuse with him and kept going back cause he said it was going to change.. until one day I walked out with just the minimal things I needed to survive.... and then entered into years of therapy to learn how to never make that decision again.. When i remarried 10 years later I told my current hubby that physical violence would be the end all to end all... So when he got physical thats what is making me want to keep things apart and when he left on his own free will , he moved out I didnt kick him out and then he came back and did the physical violence.. so it is a long drawn out story... but Again it is one of the reasons I am seriously debating not going back cause before the physical stuff happend there was lots of emotional abuse that he considers wasnt emotional abuse but I know better it was.... so thanks for your words of advice and I appreciate it...


If he's not willing to go to counseling, and given what cat has said about abusers, then you have done what you can do, and staying apart is what's best for you and your family. Get solo counseling to get some perspective and healing for yourself. Are their minor children in the house? If so, having him come back and forth is probably only confusing for them, if not harmful (if they're stuck in the middle).

You are strong enough to make the right decision and stick to it. And you have people to lean on when the going gets tough.

Yes I have friends and a wonderful Sir who supports whatever decision I make and he has never interfered with my marriage until it got physical and then he told me I had to decide to leave cause i didnt deserve what he did to me. thank you to all that commented... It means the world to me... I appreciate the support and the friendships...

To Sirlancealot..

I can tell you from experience.. give her time and leave her alone for awhile let her miss you stop chasing her or youll chase her right out of your life...
 
Cat- Thank you for your words of advice.. I know the vicious cycle all too much when my youngest child was little her ( biological father) who is out of the picture completely as my currrent husband adopted her was in the picture he was an abuser I went thru years of abuse with him and kept going back cause he said it was going to change.. until one day I walked out with just the minimal things I needed to survive.... and then entered into years of therapy to learn how to never make that decision again.. When i remarried 10 years later I told my current hubby that physical violence would be the end all to end all... So when he got physical thats what is making me want to keep things apart and when he left on his own free will , he moved out I didnt kick him out and then he came back and did the physical violence.. so it is a long drawn out story... but Again it is one of the reasons I am seriously debating not going back cause before the physical stuff happend there was lots of emotional abuse that he considers wasnt emotional abuse but I know better it was...




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You're welcome.:rose: You are strong, and you do know what abuse is, and more importantly, you know it has no place in your life. It isn't easy to have to go through the process again, but it also is not unusual to find yourself in another abusive relationship. Problem with abusers are they are not all the same in their approach, nor do they come with a sign across their forehead, and often they resemble a knight in shining armour in the beginning, especially if they know you have been abused before. It is more proof they know what they are doing as they know exactly how to get under your skin without you realising they are an abuser in a different shape and form...and they take their time before becoming more obvious about their abuse so by the time they do, their target questions themselves more than the abuser, feels guilty, feels responsible, often blames themselves. You will get there, you just need some time and support to give your heart time to catch up to where your head is. Hang in there and do what is right for you.

Catalina:catroar:
 
You're welcome.:rose: You are strong, and you do know what abuse is, and more importantly, you know it has no place in your life. It isn't easy to have to go through the process again, but it also is not unusual to find yourself in another abusive relationship. Problem with abusers are they are not all the same in their approach, nor do they come with a sign across their forehead, and often they resemble a knight in shining armour in the beginning, especially if they know you have been abused before. It is more proof they know what they are doing as they know exactly how to get under your skin without you realising they are an abuser in a different shape and form...and they take their time before becoming more obvious about their abuse so by the time they do, their target questions themselves more than the abuser, feels guilty, feels responsible, often blames themselves. You will get there, you just need some time and support to give your heart time to catch up to where your head is. Hang in there and do what is right for you.

Catalina:catroar:

Even though the bolded part sounds obvious to the rational part of my mind, I've been surprised more than a few times by some people, simply because I have preconceived notions about what a bad guy or girl looks like. Sometimes I have to stop and take a step back and look at the behavior, not the person.
 
I don't know you or your situation well, but I have specialised in abuse on a professional level so can comment from that perspective. Firstly, it is normal to feel selfish, guilty etc., when you are placed in this situation and must make choices..often what you realise after you have had time to step outside the situation and look back is that those feelings were helped along by the one who was abusing you, or others on the outside who just want everything to be OK. You do not have to take responsibility for how it makes others feel, only how you feel and what is best for you. You are not doing this to your family or him, he is.

Secondly, couples/joint counselling is not adviseable when abuse has been an issue, at least not in the early stages, if ever. The reason it is not advisable is it often increases the abuse, provides more ammunition for the abuser to make you feel you are the one to blame and/or abuse you further, and puts you in a situation of unequal power when you are most vulnerable.

I can see how that could happen, and I agree.

If he's not willing to go to counseling, and given what cat has said about abusers, then you have done what you can do, and staying apart is what's best for you and your family. Get solo counseling to get some perspective and healing for yourself. Are their minor children in the house? If so, having him come back and forth is probably only confusing for them, if not harmful (if they're stuck in the middle).

You are strong enough to make the right decision and stick to it. And you have people to lean on when the going gets tough.

*nod* :rose:
 
Again to all of you thank you so much for your support and love... I spoke to him on the phone last night and we are working out the details and i do belive it is over... and i just want it to end amicibly.. and want it to be over clean and free.... with as little pain as possible..
 
Havent had a chance to call you lately, Im going through a lot again myself. But, my prayers are with ya, sweetie.

Again to all of you thank you so much for your support and love... I spoke to him on the phone last night and we are working out the details and i do belive it is over... and i just want it to end amicibly.. and want it to be over clean and free.... with as little pain as possible..
 
You can't control anyone else's behavior but your own. If you have kids, you need to be strong for them, and create the most stable environment possible. Get counseling, lean on friends, pull it together.

I don't know what your situation is, so I can't really give any other advice. There is no magic trick to get someone back. You can only calmly and honestly communicate your feelings, acknowledge your mistakes and listen to her.



"pull it together" I work, but there is a lot of time that I am sitting and watching computer processes run. It feels like I am getting repeated kicked in the gut. When she does call my heart raises. This morning when she called she said "Listen....I'm sorry but....(long pause)" a huge lump formed in my throat. Then she finished her sentence about something not related to our issues.

Everything is out on the table, but I don't know what is going through her mind and she is not saying.
 
You can't control anyone else's behavior but your own. If you have kids, you need to be strong for them, and create the most stable environment possible. Get counseling, lean on friends, pull it together.

I don't know what your situation is, so I can't really give any other advice. There is no magic trick to get someone back. You can only calmly and honestly communicate your feelings, acknowledge your mistakes and listen to her.

I fully agree with you... listen, communicate, trust.... and belive that if it was meant to be youll be back with her... if you love something set it free , it is was meant to be it will return to me, if not it was never yours in the first place.. .
 
"pull it together" I work, but there is a lot of time that I am sitting and watching computer processes run. It feels like I am getting repeated kicked in the gut. When she does call my heart raises. This morning when she called she said "Listen....I'm sorry but....(long pause)" a huge lump formed in my throat. Then she finished her sentence about something not related to our issues.

Everything is out on the table, but I don't know what is going through her mind and she is not saying.

It will get better. Do you need to communicate by phone right now? Tell her to email while you get some breathing space and collect yourself. I strongly recommend counseling.

Sorry, I suck as a handholder. I'm your gal in a crisis, but I tend to approach a crisis like this: close ranks, pull your shit together and do what's best for yourself and your family. At the end of the day, both people have to be in it to win it for the marriage to work. If both parties need to think about it - take space to think about it. If one person is being manipulative, playing games, or worse, abusive, nothing good can come from wringing your hands over it. She will do whatever she wants to do. You can only control yourself.

I fully agree with you... listen, communicate, trust.... and belive that if it was meant to be youll be back with her... if you love something set it free , it is was meant to be it will return to me, if not it was never yours in the first place.. .

I'm not a big "meant to be" person, I must admit. If two people want to do the work to grow as a couple and as individuals, the relationship will flourish. If one person refuses, and is behaving badly (no matter what he says), then it won't. We all must live with the consequences of our choices and actions.
 
ITW I understand ... I can see where you would say that.. but in my case i always thought he was my best friend and soul mate.... I thought god brought him into my life for a reason... but I guess that poem made sense of

God brings them into your life for a reason, a season or lifetime I guess you get to choose..

both parties must work on it for it to be successful, you cant have one who thinks at anytime that the other is gonna break thier heart.. cause that is trouble waiting to happen.....

thanks for your kind words of wisdom
 
ITW I understand ... I can see where you would say that.. but in my case i always thought he was my best friend and soul mate.... I thought god brought him into my life for a reason... but I guess that poem made sense of

God brings them into your life for a reason, a season or lifetime I guess you get to choose..

both parties must work on it for it to be successful, you cant have one who thinks at anytime that the other is gonna break thier heart.. cause that is trouble waiting to happen.....

thanks for your kind words of wisdom

I'm not all that wise, but thank you. I just think when it comes to abuse and family, you have to be smart and dispassionate, sadly.
 
Well... the decision was made... :mad: we are divorcing, this is never how I expected it to be..... I expected to be married forever... ahhhhh well at least we are trying to be amicible,. and help each other out.... sigh.....
 
Well... the decision was made... :mad: we are divorcing, this is never how I expected it to be..... I expected to be married forever... ahhhhh well at least we are trying to be amicible,. and help each other out.... sigh.....

I don't think any one ever intends to get devorced when they get married. I was drug kicking and screaming into the decition to split. He did things to me that he knew I would not stand for and for 6 months I kept forgiving him and telling him we could work it out. We probably could have, but he didn't want to, that's why he did them in the first place, and that's why it didn't. He wanted out, but couldn't just tell me that, he wanted me to make the choice, make me the bad guy, so it didn't look like he failed. Well he did, and just because he didn't have the balls to admit that, doesn't change that fact.

Same thing aplies I think hun.
 
SK,

Sorry to hear that sweetie.

Well... the decision was made... :mad: we are divorcing, this is never how I expected it to be..... I expected to be married forever... ahhhhh well at least we are trying to be amicible,. and help each other out.... sigh.....
 
Heres my update.

Initially, I filed for separation. Our first court appearance, neither I nor my wife had a lawyer. My wife had still not filed a response, so our judge gave her an additional 2 weeks to do so. She never did.

Then out of the blue, she turned up with a lawyer. Thus, I had to get one. With that came her response finally, she amended it to a divorce, simply based on an assumption it would be cheaper. She claimed a number of items in the response by making me look like a schmuck, even my rate of pay. Luckily, I had taken the advice of a lot of people and had been documenting everything that occured since this first started. I recounted 2/3 of her claims. More importantly, she had stated that a previous housing arrangement, I eventually refused to leave the house in December. It opened the door for to explain why I refused to leave the house (I'll leave it at that).

Combined with a few written witness statements, my declared response, etc, her lawyer asked for another continuance and stated that my wife really didnt want a divorce, simply she wanted to debate some financial situations over a few bills in limbo.

By the time the next court appearance finished up, the judge awarded me nearly twice what I was asking. Based on my pay level (which truly isnt bad, but yeah I could be making more), I was ordered to look for full time work. My current employer is in a work slow down, so I am only working 4 days a week.

As of now, my wife has reveled that the real world is becoming rather overwhelming. She asked me to pay the daycare this week, her relationship with Prince Charming is failing (I cant believe she told me that), she probably wont have any money for the child support, and her job is threatened.

Almost everyone Ive talked to, hopes we can work things out and put this marriage back together. We finally managed one two-hour talk where I felt there were still fragments of a marriage. In a phone conversation with her grandmother, one word she said rang through me and that was "try." So, I will for the sake of the marriage, the girls, and ya know what I still love her despite all of this. Yes, there are tremendous problems to work through. So, I rescheduled a cancelled couples counceling, told her how I really felt and am leaving things at that.

She can try and fix this with me or keep going down that odd path she seems to think is right for her.

For me, financially, its not a pretty picture either. But as the Nine of Wands, Im still here. The next date is May 12th where this new order with the support rates becomes "enacted."
 
Yesterday.. he came by to get his drums... and noticed he wasnt wearing his wedding ring... and gave me a cd He knew I was leaving to go out to lunch told me to listen to the first track.. WHY did he do this.. he knew it would make me cry... DAMNIT TO hell... i just hate being alone .. this alone thing SUCKS!:devil:
 
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