Disturbing Statistics

[sr71plt]

You might want to wipe some of that spittle off your chin, folks may think you have Hydrophobia.

At least I think it's spittle ... one can never be sure with you.

Not that that means anything. I guess it's the sort of thing you'd say when you've been caught being stupid and don't have anything else you can say.

You really should feel very silly--and exposed--not to have known the work Michelle Obama has done for returning military veterans--or, worse, to be such a wingnut that you won't acknowledge it.

You apparently hate the president so much (among a lot of other things, apparently) that you have to demonize his wife too? I presume it's because they're black and winners and you're . . .

 

[Trinique_Fire]

There is SO MUCH WRONG with makeup boosting a three year old's confidence. At Three years old, a child should not be taught that confidence is something you buy in a jar.

At three years old, does Extasty know what "pretty" means?

Does she know that she's smart? Or a hard worker? Or maybe a good dancer? Does she know how to do her chores, and is she proud of doing them?

I agree, Stella. My daughter is 4. She's confident because that's who she is, and maybe I had a little something to do with instilling that confidence in her. She's tough. She likes to play around with Lip Smackers and other assorted chap sticks, but mostly she's interested in tasting them. I would never allow my young child to wear makeup. That's something we can talk about when she hits her freshman year of high school.

 

[TE999]

Not that that means anything. I guess it's the sort of thing you'd say when you've been caught being stupid and don't have anything else you can say.

You really should feel very silly--and exposed--not to have known the work Michelle Obama has done for returning military veterans--or, worse, to be such a wingnut that you won't acknowledge it.

You apparently hate the president so much (among a lot of other things, apparently) that you have to demonize his wife too? I presume it's because they're black and winners and you're . . .

BWAHAHAHAHA! You are just too fucking easy to annoy.

I don't give two shits in a paper cup what the Obama's do. I don't like them, I don't like their politics, I don't like his policies and I didn't vote for him. The fact that he's Black (Half-black actually; his mom was white) has squat to do with it.

All you Lefties love to play the Race Card whenever minorities are criticized like it gives them an excuse to not act in a proper manner. There are a bunch of Conservative Black folks I'd invite over to my house anytime for dinner; not because they're Black, but because I agree with their opinions on things.

You'd be lots better off posting your political opinions on the Daily Ko's or the Huffington Post where everyone would agree with you.

As long as I'm here, and I have no intention of leaving, expect to hear from me on occasion, like it or not.

BTW, I hear they're having a screening of Stonewall at the downtown Arts Theater, you don't wanna miss that.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm not annoyed. I rather enjoy sticking it to wingnuts and watching them jerk around when they are faced with reality.

And remember that the point is that you posted something political to the thread--something off the wall and dripping with "loser hate" (what a surprise).

 

[CandiCame]

Meanwhile, I got the shit beat out of me for expressing any kind of interest in cosmetics as a highschooler (which was as soon as I was open to admitting that I had that interest). I'm not really sure how relevant that is, I'm a little sleeptarded, but I do find it shocking how accepting people are of teen and preteen girls experimenting with make-up, be it to glam up or goth out or whatever the hell else they want to do to express themselves, but with guys just being in the cosmetics aisle is a goddamn social problem for some reason. A three year old girl can wear make-up, but a 15-year-old guy can't?

Fuck you, society. I'm gonna wear guyliner and I'm not taking my nail polish off for work tomorrow and you can go fuck yourself.

 

[sr71plt]

Meanwhile, I got the shit beat out of me for expressing any kind of interest in cosmetics as a highschooler (which was as soon as I was open to admitting that I had that interest). I'm not really sure how relevant that is, I'm a little sleeptarded, but I do find it shocking how accepting people are of teen and preteen girls experimenting with make-up, be it to glam up or goth out or whatever the hell else they want to do to express themselves, but with guys just being in the cosmetics aisle is a goddamn social problem for some reason. A three year old girl can wear make-up, but a 15-year-old guy can't?

Fuck you, society. I'm gonna wear guyliner and I'm not taking my nail polish off for work tomorrow and you can go fuck yourself.

When you are in school, go out for theatrics. No problem wearing make-up there.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There is SO MUCH WRONG with makeup boosting a three year old's confidence. At Three years old, a child should not be taught that confidence is something you buy in a jar.

At three years old, does Extasty know what "pretty" means?

Does she know that she's smart? Or a hard worker? Or maybe a good dancer? Does she know how to do her chores, and is she proud of doing them?

Box is our ambassador from the tunnel-visioned.

Tunnel vision? Does that mean I read a post before commenting on it, because you apparently didn't. In the OP, it was said that a small percentage of girls under 12 wear makeup regularly. I suppose that includes three year olds, but it also includes eleven year olds. I would object to my grandchildren wearing makeup to school at the age of eleven even, but I see nothing wrong with wearing it to parties or damces or other occasions.

 

[Thefamiliar]

Its been a while...lol

Raising two well adjusted non statistical daughters of my own...and being a woman...

Girls repeat what they see and hear. I had gained weight after my second, without thinking saying "ugghh I am fat" as clothes kept shrinking....you betcha, I learned real quick to change what I said or not at all.

Most girls that age don't give a fig about weight. I knew many.

However, my grandma made me weight concious as a child. Lol Though I would roll my eyes at her a lot. No, my girls and I are no where near obese.

My girls as teens don't bother with make up. Though as little ones they would die and go to heaven to wear it. I taught them how to apply it to look natural. A technique I learned in modeling school. We don't really like make up, its a pain in the ass. Again, children emulate the parents.

I wanted to be a super model when I grew up.
My oldest a singer/rockstar (mechanical enginere is what she is college bound for)
Youngest first wanted to be hercules, now would prefer video game design, but linguistics is of intrest as well. She still has three more years to decide before she thinks college.

Those statistics don't alarm me. Sounds like they are normal kids, who will probably always behealth concious, dream big and get over make up being cool sooner than the rest.

Its the ones with weight problems that don't worry about it, the ones who will wear heavy make up will be the ones never allowed, and the ones who want the nobel peace prize? Really? Lol are we going for super genis?

I would be far more concerned if the parents were saying their kid is fat, they need to be wearing make up, and they must win the nobel peace prize.-ummm meant super model, doh.

Honestly its more desturbing that kids are killing kids, themselves and all that stuff.

 

[sr71plt]

Tunnel vision? Does that mean I read a post before commenting on it, because you apparently didn't. In the OP, it was said that a small percentage of girls under 12 wear makeup regularly.

Yep, the OP didn't say anything about three-year-olds, specifically, wearing makeup.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Tunnel vision? Does that mean I read a post before commenting on it, because you apparently didn't. In the OP, it was said that a small percentage of girls under 12 wear makeup regularly. I suppose that includes three year olds, but it also includes eleven year olds. I would object to my grandchildren wearing makeup to school at the age of eleven even, but I see nothing wrong with wearing it to parties or damces or other occasions.

Yep, tunnel vision.

 

[Harry Leg]

Obesity is caused by a variety of things, including junk food and lack of exercise. That last is frequently the result of parents worrying, justifiably, about their children being outside or walking to school, etc. If a child is overweight and realizes it and wants to change that, that is a good thing. If she is not overweight but is obsessed by her weight anyhow, that is a bad thing.

Everything you say is true. Although not really relevant to the point I was trying to make.

You are referring to a relatively small percentage of girls. Besides that, middle school and high school is about the age when girls start wearing makeup, just like their mothers and aunts and older sisters and female teachers.

I would argue that even a small percentage is still something to be addressed. Especially if the numbers keep trending higher.
Yes, I agree that middle school and high school is when it normally starts. But if it starts occurring at an earlier age, it is a cause for concern.

If you look at your OP again, you will see you mention 25%. I take that to mean that 75% would rather win the Nobel, which is not very disturbing. You also don't say what you mean by "young." A 16 year old would probably be more concerned about glamor. A 35 year old might be more concerned with public service.

I would take it to mean that 25% is an alarmingly high percentage of young women opting out of meaningful pursuits, which is very disturbing.

And no I didnt say what I meant by "young" because really that's not the point. I actually dont think there's anything wrong with a 16yr girl being interested in glamour. But I think we should still be teaching them the importance of having a social conscience. If an interest in glamour and fashion comes at the expense of having a wide range of interests and knowledge about the world and its problems, then I think its a cause for concern. I think we are failing the younger generations.

 

[Harry Leg]

I'm not annoyed. I rather enjoy sticking it to wingnuts and watching them jerk around when they are faced with reality.

And remember that the point is that you posted something political to the thread--something off the wall and dripping with "loser hate" (what a surprise).

The argument you guys seem to be having would probably make more sense if I was an American or interested even remotely in your politics, but I'm not. So it doesnt.

 

[sr71plt]

I think we are failing the younger generations.

As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger as the horizon filled up with Indian spears, "What do you mean 'we,' white man?"

I took responsibility for my children. You can jolly well take responsibility for yours. And no one else's child is mine to "fail" with.

 

[Harry Leg]

Its been a while...lol

Raising two well adjusted non statistical daughters of my own...and being a woman...

Girls repeat what they see and hear. I had gained weight after my second, without thinking saying "ugghh I am fat" as clothes kept shrinking....you betcha, I learned real quick to change what I said or not at all.

Most girls that age don't give a fig about weight. I knew many.

However, my grandma made me weight concious as a child. Lol Though I would roll my eyes at her a lot. No, my girls and I are no where near obese.

My girls as teens don't bother with make up. Though as little ones they would die and go to heaven to wear it. I taught them how to apply it to look natural. A technique I learned in modeling school. We don't really like make up, its a pain in the ass. Again, children emulate the parents.

I wanted to be a super model when I grew up.
My oldest a singer/rockstar (mechanical enginere is what she is college bound for)
Youngest first wanted to be hercules, now would prefer video game design, but linguistics is of intrest as well. She still has three more years to decide before she thinks college.

Those statistics don't alarm me. Sounds like they are normal kids, who will probably always behealth concious, dream big and get over make up being cool sooner than the rest.

Its the ones with weight problems that don't worry about it, the ones who will wear heavy make up will be the ones never allowed, and the ones who want the nobel peace prize? Really? Lol are we going for super genis?

I would be far more concerned if the parents were saying their kid is fat, they need to be wearing make up, and they must win the nobel peace prize.-ummm meant super model, doh.

Honestly its more desturbing that kids are killing kids, themselves and all that stuff.

It sounds like you've done an excellent job of raising well rounded and stable young women.
And you make an important point about children mimicking what they see and hear.
But this is why it should be very disturbing to discover that children are being inundated with a media that has a very specific agenda. That agenda has been and is causing normal young girls to become needlessly concerned about body image. So much so that its affecting their ambitions and goals in a negative way. Instead of educating and preparing themselves to make a positive impact on society, they are more concerned with attaining an unrealistic and unhealthy body type. This leads to a myriad of social problems not the least of which is anorexia nervosa. Which I suppose could be defined as kids killing themselves and all that stuff.

 

[Harry Leg]

As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger as the horizon filled up with Indian spears, "What do you mean 'we,' white man?"

I took responsibility for my children. You can jolly well take responsibility for yours. And no one else's child is mine to "fail" with.

It takes a village to raise a child

 

[sr71plt]

It takes a village to raise a child

Not on an issue like this. If a "villager" poked his nose in my house to tell me my kid was too fat or the villager didn't like what my kid did or didn't do with makeup, said villager would leave with his/her nose smashed in. And if the same villager told me that I should intercede with fat Freddie at the neighbors' house or that I should wipe the makeup off their little Maddie's face, I'd tell them it was none of my business--or theirs. There are limits to this "it takes a village" concept, and you are misusing it, I think.

 

[Harry Leg]

Not on an issue like this. If a "villager" poked his nose in my house to tell me my kid was too fat or the villager didn't like what my kid did or didn't do with makeup, said villager would leave with his/her nose smashed in. And if the same villager told me that I should intercede with fat Freddie at the neighbors' house or that I should wipe the makeup off their little Maddie's face, I'd tell them it was none of my business--or theirs. There are limits to this "it takes a village" concept, and you are misusing it, I think.

But someone is poking his nose into your house. Yours and every house connected to the internet or cable TV.
I'm not advocating, nor have I ever implied that anyone should interfere with the parenting of someone else's children.
I'm only saying that we should all look alot more carefully at what is influencing our children and take appropriate action.
Very impressive leap you made there though.

 

[sr71plt]

You too.

You must have a lot of time on your hands to be being a villager to everyone's child and controlling the world like you seem to want--let alone knowing what everyone's problem is and how to fix it.

 

[Harry Leg]

You too.

You must have a lot of time on your hands to be being a villager to everyone's child and controlling the world like you seem to want--let alone knowing what everyone's problem is and how to fix it.

That kind of control is impossible to acheive. Control over much of anything is an illusion.
I would never claim to know what everyone's problem is nor would I want to know.
And I certainly dont know how to fix anyone's problem including my own.

And I'm sure you're more than well aware of all of that which is why I'm curious why you would make such a blatantly absurd comment. To inspire some sort of angry response? To make me defensive? To provoke an argument?
You sir, are very curious indeed.

 

[TE999]

I'm not annoyed. I rather enjoy sticking it to wingnuts and watching them jerk around when they are faced with reality.

And remember that the point is that you posted something political to the thread--something off the wall and dripping with "loser hate" (what a surprise).

Wow! What a scathing retort. You have cut me to the quick, sir. I may never post again.

Just kidding.

 

[SevenSquared]

I don't trust these statistics in the slightest.

 

[sr71plt]

Wow! What a scathing retort. You have cut me to the quick, sir. I may never post again.

Just kidding.

Again, when you have nothing of substance to post, you might as well just rail and try to be funny (backing out of the room with a sloppy grin on your face and trying not to show the nervous sweat).

 

[lovecraft68]

What a surprise that in a society that worships such role models as the Kardashians and reality shows in general. whose emphasis is on sex more than ever that young girls feel poorly about themselves if they have a few extra pounds on them.

It has never been tougher to be a young girl than now in a sex crazed image crazed instant gratification and very judgmental society.

We live in a time when oral sex is referred to as a "good night kiss" and girls feel as if they're expected to do it.

My wife teaches self esteem work shops to pre teens and high school students, basically she stands there the 30 or so punds that she is over weight and sys "so what?"

Of course these feelings are compounded by asshole men who sit there balding with 40 extra pounds over their waist and talk about how that girl has really let herself go.

I heard two of these idiots at a bar two weeks ago, saying the girl playing on my dart team would be hot if she dropped twenty pounds.

Being the end of the night and me being half in the bag I took a mirror from one of the women there and dropped it on the floor at their feet. When one of them asked what I was doing I told them is was so they could see their dicks because they couldn't possibly see it from beneath their beer guts.

After a few witty exchanges you know what their excuse for being fat pigs were? They're in their 40's so you know its okay.

No, what it is is men thinking they have to make no effort whatsoever to keep in shape, to shave to look decent, but all women should drop before these cocksuckers and suck their cocks like little pronstars because that is their purpose in life.

For the record my conversation ended with me telling them I'm three months from my 45th birthday. I jog 5 times a week work out four times, spar twice a week am 175 pounds with 7% body fat,

So fuck them and the rest of you beer swilling knuckle dragging swine out there who acts like this then sits there shocked your wives and daugthers have low self esteem and body image issues.

 

[sr71plt]

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[SevenSquared]

That's a great story grandad