Disturbing Statistics

[Harry Leg]

50% of all 3 to 6 year-old girls worry about being fat

15% to 18% of girls under 12 now wear mascara, eyeliner and lipstick regularly

25% of young American women would rather win America's Next Top Model than the Nobel Peace Prize

Maybe Im out of touch but I found these statistics sadly disturbing.

Taken from this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/how-to-talk-to-little-gir_b_882510.html

 

[sr71plt]

I look at any statistic of what people think or want with more than a little dab of "oh, yeah?." You can't tell what other people really think or want. All you can log is what they tell you or maybe what product they buy rather than another one. People don't just say what they really think about much of anything. (And if they did, society would be even more violent than it already is.)

 

[Harry Leg]

I look at any statistic of what people think or want with more than a little dab of "oh, yeah?." You can't tell what other people really think or want. All you can log is what they tell you or maybe what product they buy rather than another one. People don't just say what they really think about much of anything. (And if they did, society would be even more violent than it already is.)

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

 

[Harry Leg]

I look at any statistic of what people think or want with more than a little dab of "oh, yeah?." You can't tell what other people really think or want. All you can log is what they tell you or maybe what product they buy rather than another one. People don't just say what they really think about much of anything. (And if they did, society would be even more violent than it already is.)

Normally I'm quite skeptical whenever someone starts spouting statistcs as well. However, when it comes to children aged 3-6, you will almost always get an honest answer. Whether you want one or not. They are the one demographic that will actually tell you what they really think. At least thats been my experience.

 

[Dianthus]

50% of all 3 to 6 year-old girls worry about being fat

15% to 18% of girls under 12 now wear mascara, eyeliner and lipstick regularly

25% of young American women would rather win America's Next Top Model than the Nobel Peace Prize

Maybe Im out of touch but I found these statistics sadly disturbing.

Taken from this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/how-to-talk-to-little-gir_b_882510.html

Having raised a girl, I was disturbed when the underwear available in Walmart for the 8-10 y.o. sizes started being sold as sets with underwire bras and bikini panties.

 

[Harry Leg]

Having raised a girl, I was disturbed when the underwear available in Walmart for the 8-10 y.o. sizes started being sold as sets with underwire bras and bikini panties.

Wallmart comes in many sizes of disturbing.

 

[Dianthus]

Wallmart comes in many sizes of disturbing.

This is unfortunately true. Children are supposedly more impressionable, though, and I took issue with that.

 

[Boxlicker101]

50% of all 3 to 6 year-old girls worry about being fat

15% to 18% of girls under 12 now wear mascara, eyeliner and lipstick regularly

25% of young American women would rather win America's Next Top Model than the Nobel Peace Prize

Maybe Im out of touch but I found these statistics sadly disturbing.

Taken from this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/how-to-talk-to-little-gir_b_882510.html

They are not all that disturbing to me. First, the worry about being fat is the result of all the static we get about the "obesity crisis" or whatever it would be called. If parents or grandparents push food on children and the children refuse because they ae\re worried about obesity, that is a good thing. At the same time, the concern can be unjustified.

If little girls wear makeup on special occasions, what is the worry? If they wear it every day to school, that is overdoing it, but it's still just a small percentage.

America's next top model will p;robably become fabulously rich. Most people would prefer that over winning the Nobel Prize. For one thing, the Nobel has been cheapened by some of the recent winners.

 

[Harry Leg]

This is unfortunately true. Children are supposedly more impressionable, though, and I took issue with that.

Justifiably so. I think maybe we dont spend enough time seriously examining how our children are being influenced, as a society. The amount of time they spend in front of screens in pretty staggering. Smartphones, iPads, TVs, computers, game consoles consume a huge amount of their time. The influence technology has on them should not be taken lightly.
In just a few decades, the way children are raised has changed dramatically. Maybe they are safer than they were a generation or two ago, but they seem more stressed out.

 

[Harry Leg]

They are not all that disturbing to me. First, the worry about being fat is the result of all the static we get about the "obesity crisis" or whatever it would be called. If parents or grandparents push food on children and the children refuse because they ae\re worried about obesity, that is a good thing. At the same time, the concern can be unjustified.

If little girls wear makeup on special occasions, what is the worry? If they wear it every day to school, that is overdoing it, but it's still just a small percentage.

America's next top model will p;robably become fabulously rich. Most people would prefer that over winning the Nobel Prize. For one thing, the Nobel has been cheapened by some of the recent winners.

Obesity is not caused by parents and grandparents pushing food on kids. Its caused by a fast food society. Obesity is caused by eating highly processed foods combined with little to no excercise. Children do not get the excercise that they need.

Children wearing make-up is not a problem in of itself. Its a symptom of poor self image and low self esteem.

Wealth has become more important than social conscience. Being rich is more highly valued than making a positive difference in the world at a time when perhaps it is needed most. That fact isnt changed by who the last person to win the Nobel Prize is.

 

[MarcelineTheVampireQueen]

What's wrong with some make-up or anything that would boost a girl's confidence? My daughter Extasty [3 yrs old] Know she's pretty, and I think that helps her meet new friends.

 

[loquere]

I don't believe these numbers.

 

[Harry Leg]

What's wrong with some make-up or anything that would boost a girl's confidence? My daughter Extasty [3 yrs old] Know she's pretty, and I think that helps her meet new friends.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
But wouldnt it be cool if reading books helped her meet new friends? I bet that would boost her confidence too. And then her confidence wouldnt be tied so intrinsically to her appearance. It would be based on her mind and her personality as well.

 

[Harry Leg]

I don't believe these numbers.

I dont believe in ghosts...but I'm still scared of them

 

[autoplot]

They are not all that disturbing to me.

Yeah, guys generally aren't worried about stuff that primarily affects women and not them.

 

[Harry Leg]

Yeah, guys generally aren't worried about stuff that primarily affects women and not them.

It's what I like to call the narrow view. Its not just limited to guys, though. Anyone can take it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

What's wrong with some make-up or anything that would boost a girl's confidence? My daughter Extasty [3 yrs old] Know she's pretty, and I think that helps her meet new friends.

There is SO MUCH WRONG with makeup boosting a three year old's confidence. At Three years old, a child should not be taught that confidence is something you buy in a jar.

At three years old, does Extasty know what "pretty" means?

Does she know that she's smart? Or a hard worker? Or maybe a good dancer? Does she know how to do her chores, and is she proud of doing them?

It's what I like to call the narrow view. Its not just limited to guys, though. Anyone can take it.

Box is our ambassador from the tunnel-visioned.

 

[TE999]

50% of all 3 to 6 year-old girls worry about being fat

3 to 6 yo girls worry about everything including other girls, boys, school, clothes, their hair, things under the bed at night and being seen in public with their parents, especially by their friends. You have countless PSA's and the First Lady to blame for this kerfuffle.

15% to 18% of girls under 12 now wear mascara, eyeliner and lipstick regularly

Seen a magazine lately, or a clothing catalog? The models are getting more and more young all the time. Then there are the numerous 'Little Miss Dimples' Beauty Pageants where little girls dress and act like whores on a street corner vying for recognition and prizes. Guess who's behind them ... their mothers. It's pathetic.

25% of young American women would rather win America's Next Top Model than the Nobel Peace Prize

Not surprising given the fact that glamor is infinitely more important to young women than a dreary ol' Peace Prize; the awarding of which doesn't mean shit anyway in terms of mitigating global conflicts. Ol' Alfred noodled that beauty up because he felt guilty about inventing dynamite and ballistite and wanted to assuage his conscience because the stuff killed people.

Maybe I'm out of touch but I found these statistics sadly disturbing.

To an extent, so do I, having co-raised a daughter myself. Nevertheless, the times they are a-changin'. Not that long ago people used to shit a brick when their little darlings wanted to wear the hems of their pinafores above their dimpled little knees, have their hair cut like their older sister who was a flapper and dance to that horrible Negro jazz music.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
They are not all that disturbing to me.

Yeah, guys generally aren't worried about stuff that primarily affects women and not them.

I would say these things are more the concern of the mothers AND FATHERS than the little girls involved.

 

[Harry Leg]

50% of all 3 to 6 year-old girls worry about being fat

3 to 6 yo girls worry about everything including other girls, boys, school, clothes, their hair, things under the bed at night and being seen in public with their parents, especially by their friends. You have countless PSA's and the First Lady to blame for this kerfuffle.

I think you're thinking of girls a little bit older than 3. And I dont think you can place all the blame at the feet of the First Lady. She's only one woman.

15% to 18% of girls under 12 now wear mascara, eyeliner and lipstick regularly

Seen a magazine lately, or a clothing catalog? The models are getting more and more young all the time. Then there are the numerous 'Little Miss Dimples' Beauty Pageants where little girls dress and act like whores on a street corner vying for recognition and prizes. Guess who's behind them ... their mothers. It's pathetic.

I dont watch that much reality TV so Ive missed alot of this I think.
I have seen magazines lately though. The models are very young although many fashion modeling agencies have recently agreed to limits on how young they can be.

25% of young American women would rather win America's Next Top Model than the Nobel Peace Prize

Not surprising given the fact that glamor is infinitely more important to young women than a dreary ol' Peace Prize; the awarding of which doesn't mean shit anyway in terms of mitigating global conflicts. Ol' Alfred noodled that beauty up because he felt guilty about inventing dynamite and ballistite and wanted to assuage his conscience because the stuff killed people.

Im hopeful that theres more to winning a Nobel Prize than just that. But Im interested in why glamour is more important to young women. I believe that this particular trend can be remedied. In fact I think that realization is begining to dawn. More and more people are starting to ask the same questions about how we got to this point. And inevitably, how to change it.

Maybe I'm out of touch but I found these statistics sadly disturbing.

To an extent, so do I, having co-raised a daughter myself. Nevertheless, the times they are a-changin'. Not that long ago people used to shit a brick when their little darlings wanted to wear the hems of their pinafores above their dimpled little knees, have their hair cut like their older sister who was a flapper and dance to that horrible Negro jazz music.

Yes, well those were the good old days...but it was also not that long ago that kids played outside. They wandered through forests and explored nature. And they liked it. Sure they love their technologically advanced devices, but they still love the outdoors when you put them out there. They just dont seem to get there as much as they used to.

Speaking of getting back to nature, I found this website for a documentary about nature, evolution and the future of childhood. The trailer is pretty cool. I hope they get the funding to complete it.

Project Wild Thing

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
They are not all that disturbing to me. First, the worry about being fat is the result of all the static we get about the "obesity crisis" or whatever it would be called. If parents or grandparents push food on children and the children refuse because they are worried about obesity, that is a good thing. At the same time, the concern can be unjustified.

If little girls wear makeup on special occasions, what is the worry? If they wear it every day to school, that is overdoing it, but it's still just a small percentage.

America's next top model will p;robably become fabulously rich. Most people would prefer that over winning the Nobel Prize. For one thing, the Nobel has been cheapened by some of the recent winners.

Obesity is not caused by parents and grandparents pushing food on kids. Its caused by a fast food society. Obesity is caused by eating highly processed foods combined with little to no excercise. Children do not get the excercise that they need.

Obesity is caused by a variety of things, including junk food and lack of exercise. That last is frequently the result of parents worrying, justifiably, about their children being outside or walking to school, etc. If a child is overweight and realizes it and wants to change that, that is a good thing. If she is not overweight but is obsessed by her weight anyhow, that is a bad thing.

Children wearing make-up is not a problem in of itself. Its a symptom of poor self image and low self esteem.

You are referring to a relatively small percentage of girls. Besides that, middle school and high school is about the age when girls start wearing makeup, just like their mothers and aunts and older sisters and female teachers.

Wealth has become more important than social conscience. Being rich is more highly valued than making a positive difference in the world at a time when perhaps it is needed most. That fact isnt changed by who the last person to win the Nobel Prize is.

If you look at your OP again, you will see you mention 25%. I take that to mean that 75% would rather win the Nobel, which is not very disturbing. You also don't say what you mean by "young." A 16 year old would probably be more concerned about glamor. A 35 year old might be more concerned with public service.

 

[sr71plt]

You have countless PSA's and the First Lady to blame for this kerfuffle.

Who is it again who can't keep politics out of every thread?

 

[TE999]

Who is it again who can't keep politics out of every thread?

Huh? It's her cause de etre', SR. Lady Bird Johnson hated billboards and planted wildflowers, Laura Bush advocated reading, Michelle Obama scolds you for getting fat. What's political about that?

Don't be so fucking touchy about mentioning the Obama's in any context. Are you you being considered for an Ambassadorial posting to Benghazi or somthing?

 

[sr71plt]

Huh? It's her cause de etre', SR. Lady Bird Johnson hated billboards and planted wildflowers, Laura Bush advocated reading, Michelle Obama scolds you for getting fat. What's political about that?

She also (actually, more) champions welfare of returning military veterans--which, in choosing what to ignore, pretty much pins down where you are coming from as far as wingnutism. (There's a great article in this week's Newsweek by Paul B***** on the five types of Republican response to the last election. You clearly fit in the "Crazies" section.)

By, the way, there is no ambassador to Benghazi position; it's not a capital city. So while you're polishing your assault rifles and brushing up on your fringe partisan hate, and flipping your dial to Faux News, you might want to read a little geography.

 

[TE999]

She also (actually, more) champions welfare of returning military veterans--which, in choosing what to ignore, pretty much pins down where you are coming from as far as wingnutism. (There's a great article in this week's Newsweek by Paul B***** on the five types of Republican response to the last election. You clearly fit in the "Crazies" section.)

By, the way, there is no ambassador to Benghazi position; it's not a capital city. So while you're polishing your assault rifles and brushing up on your fringe partisan hate, and flipping your dial to Faux News, you might want to read a little geography.

You might want to wipe some of that spittle off your chin, folks may think you have Hydrophobia.

At least I think it's spittle ... one can never be sure with you.