Desmond Tutu is full of Doodoo

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Desmond, shut the fuck up. Do I need to break out the Bullshit Repellent?


Tutu blasts Israel, parallels actions with apartheid

By SHELIA M. POOLE
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer


W.A. Bridges Jr. / AJC
South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu, with his wife, Leah, and daughter, Thandeka Tutu-Gxashe (right), spoke at an Atlanta luncheon Friday for Africa's Children Fund Inc.



South African Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu lashed out at the Israeli government Friday, comparing the lives of Palestinians in the occupied territories to those of blacks under apartheid.

"It is so clear when you see the roadblocks where young Israeli soldiers and police act with the same kind of arrogance that we used to experience as blacks when we were stopped by white South African police officers," Tutu said in an interview.

"You were really at their mercy. Would you be allowed to go forward or would you be turned back?"

The Nobel Peace Prize winner was in Atlanta to attend a luncheon for Africa's Children Fund Inc., which his daughter, Thandeka Tutu-Gxashe, chairs.

Tutu, 70, one of apartheid's most vocal and well-known opponents, has returned to South Africa after several years in the United States, including a stint as a visiting professor at Emory University.

He said Israeli Jews "seem to have forgotten their horrible experience in Nazi Germany, where their property was confiscated, they were stripped of their possessions and many forced into concentration camps, where 6 million Jews were killed.

"They were treated as less than citizens in their own country," said Tutu, who was accompanied by his wife, Leah. Like Palestinians today, blacks in South Africa and Jews in Nazi Germany, there was "constant humiliation," he said.

Peace is negotiable

Tutu said he condemned the use of suicide bombers and found it "reprehensible" that young Palestinians were being recruited for these acts and taught to hate Jews.

But at the same time, "I condemn equally and vehemently the terrorism of an army that can go into Arab settlements and behave in the fashion that they do -- when they can stop ambulances and when they can stop medical personnel. I don't think it speaks well for the Israeli government."

Still, he thinks peace is possible between Israelis and Palestinians, if both sides resume negotiations.

"You don't negotiate with your friends," he said. "You negotiate with your enemies."

He said Israel has a right to guaranteed boundaries and Palestinians should have their own state.
 
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Bob Peale said:
I thought it was "doodoo"

Actually, Dudu is the South African spelling. But I changed it to make it suitable for Literocians.

Thanks, BP
 
what the fuck is he thinking? For years Israelis have had nothing, NOTHING, and now he's claiming that Israel is the one instituting apartheid over there? Put down that crackpipe!
 
That fucking Tutu didn't mention the seizing, murder, and raping of the white S. African farms by the "new" regime! The fucking "turd" world revisionist bastard can rot. First thing the new (government?) did was ban firearms, home invasions went up by those allowed to retain the weapons. Now they stand before the UN for a handout, after they've squandered their nation's wealth! A lesson for us all.
*History is written by the victors*
 
Lost Cause said:
That fucking Tutu didn't mention the seizing, murder, and raping of the white S. African farms by the "new" regime! The fucking "turd" world revisionist bastard can rot. First thing the new (government?) did was ban firearms, home invasions went up by those allowed to retain the weapons. Now they stand before the UN for a handout, after they've squandered their nation's wealth! A lesson for us all.
*History is written by the victors*

Looks like the Nobel Peace Price has been severely dumbed down.

First Arafat, then this clown.
 
surely, laurel, but how can TuTu just blame the Israelis?
 
I don't see how anyone can just blame either side. However, in the media and on this board I see a lot of Palestine bashing and not much attention to the atrocities perpetrated by Israel.

I understand that if a person is Jewish, they may be inclined to be biased toward Israel. I can understand that those of Palestian descent may be inclined to be pro-Palestine. However, any rational, unbiased person can see that both sides are acting reprehensibly.

Suicide bombing is wrong.

Government soldiers murdering children because they were out past curfew is wrong.

BOTH sides are wrong.

Anyone who defends either of those has an agenda or is irrational.
 
Laurel said:
I don't see how anyone can just blame either side. However, in the media and on this board I see a lot of Palestine bashing and not much attention to the atrocities perpetrated by Israel.

I understand that if a person is Jewish, they may be inclined to be biased toward Israel. I can understand that those of Palestian descent may be inclined to be pro-Palestine. However, any rational, unbiased person can see that both sides are acting reprehensibly.

Suicide bombing is wrong.

Government soldiers murdering children because they were out past curfew is wrong.

BOTH sides are wrong.

Anyone who defends either of those has an agenda or is an irrational fucktard.


:D
 
I can agree with that, although my last name is "Frank".

What I can't agree with, is a respected political leader putting the blame in one party's court. It's irresponsible.
 
All the politicos are taking sides. Some side with Israel, some with Palestine. Nothing new. Personally, I think we should slap both countries upside the head.

(nice av!)
 
It is amaxzing to us ... but we don't think in the same way as much of the rest of the world. They want to bomb us and kill us and we don't know why?

We train them as contaras and kill them as sandanistas or is it vice versa on thursday or tusday. ok consistencey is not one of our strong points and we look at what "they" are doing and say it is because of what happened years ago.... so where were we????????????
 
Originally posted by Laurel BOTH sides are wrong.[/B]
Agreed, although I think the "palestinians" are the ones that are more wrong, plus they are also the instigators of most of the violence. The Israelis on the other hand have reacted badly and their reactions seem designed to invite criticism. It is just a total mess.

Anyone who defends either of those has an agenda or is irrational.
What if I defend both sides? :confused:
 
It's the latest fad miles. Find any anecdotal evidence and call the opposition 'racist's'.

Considering that the Jews and Palestinians are essentially the same genetic stock one wonders how you can make that argument stick. But rest assured, those that pray at the alter of liberal political correctness will accept the accusation as an article of faith.

For the better part of a century now, the liberals have celebrated their victories. From the Russian revolution to Mao Tse Tung to Ho Chi Minh, to Pol Pot. Each of their victories over the forces of democracy and capitalism have been lauded. It makes not a bit of difference that the lives of over 40 million people were forfieted in the interest of 'political re-eduacation'. The heroes of the liberal left make the Nazi's look like real pikers when it comes to the grave filling thing.

And now they want to sacrifice Isreal on the alter.

Ishmael
 
Laurel, put you rose colored glasses and blinders back on.

More moral relativism crap. It's wrong to blame! It's wrong to choose sides! You can't make judgements or you're illiterate! Can't we all just get along.

No, we fucking cannot. You parade around an individual atrocity in the grand manner of p_p_man in order to take a side and then piss and moan about how bad it is to choose...

Here's a stretch. Try this. The Nazi's were wrong. You just cannot exterminate Jews 'cause you don't like them.

Now, try it again, only this time, switch the words and use Arabs for Nazi's...
 
MacCortz said:
It is amaxzing to us ... but we don't think in the same way as much of the rest of the world. They want to bomb us and kill us and we don't know why?


Why? Because they are fucking religious fanatics, that's why.

Jesus Herman Christ.
 
I don't see anything all that objectionable in Tutu's statements (the ones that are quoted, anyway). The Israeli government's reactionary treatment of Palestinians probably does remind him of the treatment of black S. Africans under apartheid--as it also, evidently, reminded him of the treatment of Jews in Europe under National Socialism. He isn't the first person, after all, to note the historical irony here.
 
Hamletmaschine said:
I don't see anything all that objectionable in Tutu's statements (the ones that are quoted, anyway). The Israeli government's reactionary treatment of Palestinians probably does remind him of the treatment of black S. Africans under apartheid--as it also, evidently, reminded him of the treatment of Jews in Europe under National Socialism. He isn't the first person, after all, to note the historical irony here.

the problem is, it's only a half truth.
 
Last fall, shortly after 9/11, I had to fly somewhere for a conference. The security was, of course, very tight--reactionary, I'd call it--and it reminded me of the first time I went into the former East Germany: all the dogs, the heavily-armed soldiers and police, the arbitrary searches and interrogations, the intimidating force of power on display.
 
I bet that other greate Nobel Laureate Elie Wiesel compared apartheid to the Holocaust at one time or another. Notice he got the Peace Prize, not the Literature. His novels are downright lousy.

The soldiers who killed the Pali kids did so in error and will be court-martialed. There is no moral equivalence to blowing up ice cream parlors. Not all killings are the same. Some are first-degree murders, others are manslaughter, others are justifiable homicide.
 
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