Denial Versus the Forced Orgasm

[Shadowsdream]

It would interest Me to hear some opinions on which of the two possiblities would bring more short term discomfort.

Denial can be excrutiating in My opinion if the submissive is reminded either vocally or physically of the lack of free will to have the pleasure of orgasming when not specifically permitted that pleasure. This denial can be made even more unpleasant with the addition of humiliation and edge training.

A Forced Orgasm seldom brings any pleasure in the standard interpretation but can sustain an agonizing spasmodic sensation blast that will leave a submissive shaking and gasping to catch their breath. The Forced Orgasm is generally even more vicious following extensive edge training.

When does an Orgasm become forced to the point that it is no longer a welcome thought?

Of course I have My own opinions based on My own way of Denial and Force. Perhaps this will become a good thread for a scenerio or two.

Anyone care to join Me in this new conversation?

 

[enigma nocturne]

I find that denied orgasms are more emotionally painful and forced orgasm hurts physically more. When you are teased and not allowed to orgasm it leads to a lot of stress and built up tension. But when you (you being female here) are forced to orgasm over and over and over your clit gets all hard and achy and your stomach hurts from spasms and your chest hurts from not being able to breathe and eventually your legs hurt too from lacking of oxygen and spasms and then you get a headache, too. As a matter of fact, the only time I have ever safeworded out of a scene was from forced orgasm, because I could not breathe so bad I thought I would pass out.

 

[Shadowsdream]

I find that denied orgasms are more emotionally painful and forced orgasm hurts physically more. When you are teased and not allowed to orgasm it leads to a lot of stress and built up tension. But when you (you being female here) are forced to orgasm over and over and over your clit gets all hard and achy and your stomach hurts from spasms and your chest hurts from not being able to breathe and eventually your legs hurt too from lacking of oxygen and spasms and then you get a headache, too. As a matter of fact, the only time I have ever safeworded out of a scene was from forced orgasm, because I could not breathe so bad I thought I would pass out.

Very good points enigma and welcome to the conversation!

May I ask if either scene causes you to feel more or less submissive at the culmination? Does either possibility make your desire for permitted Orgasm more or less intense?

 

[shy_roamer]

Very good points enigma and welcome to the conversation!

May I ask if either scene causes you to feel more or less submissive at the culmination? Does either possibility make your desire for permitted Orgasm more or less intense?

Denial certainly makes me feel more submissive. While both are true expressions of the control She has over me, and my desire to allow her to control me in whatever way, i think denial has more lasting psychological implications. Both can imply that i will receive no sexual reciprosity from Her, but i always hope that denial will not be permanent and that there is at least a possibility that She may allow me more intimate release at some future date.

Not very well thought out, but i felt compelled to respond.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Denial certainly makes me feel more submissive. While both are true expressions of the control She has over me, and my desire to allow her to control me in whatever way, i think denial has more lasting psychological implications. Both can imply that i will receive no sexual reciprosity from Her, but i always hope that denial will not be permanent and that there is at least a possibility that She may allow me more intimate release at some future date.

Not very well thought out, but i felt compelled to respond.

Thank you for joining the conversation shy_roamer
I have noticed in employing both technics at different times that denial almost always manifests itself in a more submissive attitude long term. In My opinion your description and reasoning are sound and thought out enough to be an honest interpretation of your reality.

 

[shaymless]

In denied orgasm, it's a definitive and tangible acknowledgement of his will over mine. It's humbling and can be unpleasant, if I'm being physically pushed again and again to being ohsoclose and then pulling back. But I have to maintain a control over my own body and not orgasm.

In forced orgasm, I have no control over my body at that point, I'm merely an instrument being played for his pleasure. It absolutely intensifies that "owned" feeling. It's a more primal and raw moment for me.

shay

 

[Shadowsdream]

In denied orgasm, it's a definitive and tangible acknowledgement of his will over mine. It's humbling and can be unpleasant, if I'm being physically pushed again and again to being ohsoclose and then pulling back. But I have to maintain a control over my own body and not orgasm.

In forced orgasm, I have no control over my body at that point, I'm merely an instrument being played for his pleasure. It absolutely intensifies that "owned" feeling. It's a more primal and raw moment for me.

shay

Hello shay and thank you for joining the conversation...

A Forced Orgasm can certainly show one that no matter how much self control they have it will not be enough to over ride the determination of the One in control...this Orgasm has nothing to do with submissive pleasure and all to do with Dominant desires.
I particularly enjoy the screams of unstoppable and generally painful sexual release and truly believe that it can be much worse than even anticipation can prepare one for.

your description seems right in tune for what I have observed over time.

 

[serijules]

Being I have a very difficult time having an orgasm, I can't really imagine being forced to have one...I don't think it would be possible...I really don't know.

However, multiple orgasms annoy me. I have had tops that push me to multiple orgasms, and while I can do it with the right stimulation (my own) it's no fun and very uncomfortable. So on that regard, I have to say that is worse for me than being denied...only because I love denial. It's very powerful to want something that badly and know I can't have it without permission. I feel very submissive in that situation, where in 'forced' or multiple orgasms, all I feel is very annoyed.

Being forced to do it anyhow despite my feelings can bring on a feeling of submissivness in and of itself. However, while it isn't nearly as strong as the wanting behind the denial, I do think it is a more pure submission. Being forced to do something I don't want to do and get no pleasure from is more of a struggle than being denied something I want and having to beg for it, so the submission behind the act, from me at least, would be purer.

If that makes any sense...it's too early for me to be posting LOL

 

[A Desert Rose]

Hello shay and thank you for joining the conversation...

A Forced Orgasm can certainly show one that no matter how much self control they have it will not be enough to over ride the determination of the One in control...this Orgasm has nothing to do with submissive pleasure and all to do with Dominant desires.
I particularly enjoy the screams of unstoppable and generally painful sexual release and truly believe that it can be much worse than even anticipation can prepare one for.

your description seems right in tune for what I have observed over time.

I want to come to your house, Ma'am.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Being I have a very difficult time having an orgasm, I can't really imagine being forced to have one...I don't think it would be possible...I really don't know.

However, multiple orgasms annoy me. I have had tops that push me to multiple orgasms, and while I can do it with the right stimulation (my own) it's no fun and very uncomfortable. So on that regard, I have to say that is worse for me than being denied...only because I love denial. It's very powerful to want something that badly and know I can't have it without permission. I feel very submissive in that situation, where in 'forced' or multiple orgasms, all I feel is very annoyed.

Being forced to do it anyhow despite my feelings can bring on a feeling of submissivness in and of itself. However, while it isn't nearly as strong as the wanting behind the denial, I do think it is a more pure submission. Being forced to do something I don't want to do and get no pleasure from is more of a struggle than being denied something I want and having to beg for it, so the submission behind the act, from me at least, would be purer.

If that makes any sense...it's too early for me to be posting LOL

Hey Hey Hey.....its never to early to post!

Forcing a submissive past annoyance and into an Orgasm that they would chew off their right arm to avoid is possible 99% of the time I would expect.

In actuallity a forced Orgasm can fill some submissives with a momentary rage..so it is a good thing to keep them restrained a little longer than usual!

Thank you serijules for giving U/us one more side of the differences perceived between a Forced Orgasm and Denial....

 

[Shadowsdream]

I want to come to your house, Ma'am.

Don't bring your nightie..it won't be needed lol....

 

[landcruisergal]

Orgasm denial is like a reinforcement of his control over my physical needs,whether we are together or apart. It's getting easier for me now and I enjoy the levels of arousal without release; being an explorative sensationalist.
Forced orgasm is awful for me in a lot of ways, I like to have the control to come at what I consider is my peak level of arousal.I ride waves of pleasure and forced orgasms are more often than not, unwanted, unneeded, less in number and intensity and a singular powertrip for him, which I cannot deny him.I should be grateful for small mercies, but often that is all they are, dammit!

 

[Shadowsdream]

Orgasm denial is like a reinforcement of his control over my physical needs,whether we are together or apart. It's getting easier for me now and I enjoy the levels of arousal without release; being an explorative sensationalist.
Forced orgasm is awful for me in a lot of ways, I like to have the control to come at what I consider is my peak level of arousal.I ride waves of pleasure and forced orgasms are more often than not, unwanted, unneeded, less in number and intensity and a singular powertrip for him, which I cannot deny him.I should be grateful for small mercies, but often that is all they are, dammit!

welcome to the conversation landcruisergal ~~smile~~

Another vote for Denial being the more welcomed of the two...I am beginning to see a pattern here and one that I am not surprised to see.

I do enjoy the way in which you have articulated the Forced Orgasm as it pertains directly to you. ~~grin~~ each small mercy is a mercy none the less! Knowing when to be grateful is generally appreciated as well!

 

[Caitlynne]

This is an interesting question and I have to go along with the other opinions expressed, forced orgasm is harder on me than orgasm denial.

Orgasm denial incorporates my own self-control into the process, that is one of the points. Forced orgasm is completely out of my control. While I obey in orgams denial, in order to obey I exert self-control. In order to obey with forced orgasm, I have to surrender all my self-control, which can be a battle for me.

Since I am extremely self-controlled, orgasm denial is never as hard on me as forced orgasm. Forcing an orgasm strips away that self-control, it makes me feel more naked, more vulnerable, more submissive, more owned.

~ Cait

 

[Shadowsdream]

This is an interesting question and I have to go along with the other opinions expressed, forced orgasm is harder on me than orgasm denial.

Orgasm denial incorporates my own self-control into the process, that is one of the points. Forced orgasm is completely out of my control. While I obey in orgams denial, in order to obey I exert self-control. In order to obey with forced orgasm, I have to surrender all my self-control, which can be a battle for me.

Since I am extremely self-controlled, orgasm denial is never as hard on me as forced orgasm. Forcing an orgasm strips away that self-control, it makes me feel more naked, more vulnerable, more submissive, more owned.

~ Cait

Hello cait and welcome to the conversation!

Forcing the Orgasm as you admit exposes vulnerability and the nakedness is in the inability to hide the raw extreme slamming sensations that are almost never of the most pleasant expectation. No choice..no obedience..no chance to stop the unstoppable....no denying your place under your Dominant.

Thank you for a look at your perspective on this interesting thought process.

 

[WriterDom]

Don't bring your nightie..it won't be needed lol....

 

[FungiUg]

I know I have used both. I tend to use denial as part of training, and I have only used forced orgasm as a form of punishment. So... I'd go along with the sentiment that forced orgasm is more devastating that denial.

Of course, by combining denial with frequent or constant stimulation, it too can be rather mind-bending!

 

[SweetDommes]

We technically haven't done either with our boy ... he does have to ask permission first, but as of yet, we haven't told him no when he asked ... and we haven't really spent enough time with him for forced orgasm.

So now we wait to see if he has any thoughts on the subject (he always manages to rat himself out & tell us stuff that he doesn't intend to LOL)

-Miss Karen

 

[Quint]

Would love for this to be a relevant question in my life, but I have serijules' difficulty reaching orgasm, multiplied. I have to force orgasms by myself and I've never had a problem holding back when someone else was stimulating me.

I think it would be an amazing rush to be forced into that against my will. I'd probably express many of the same emotions others have before me, but being the humiliation slut that I am, I'd love it on a deep level. Especially in context to certain scenes where it's just not right to come, yet here I am doing it...

I like denial, for the most part. Well, "like" doesn't really apply. It's a good kind of frustrating, the sort where a.) I am constantly aware of my bond with T, and b.) I'm *pretty* sure my patience will outlast his. Sometimes it hasn't; again, those skin-surface-harrowing experiences are some of the most satisfying on the more permanent level.

Arg! I want it all!

 

[Netzach]

I tend to use denial, and rather than force I also like this:

"I'm getting bored. You're on my schedule. You have 20 seconds to finish this the fuck up or you don't get off."

Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Not my problem either way, and either way is thoroughly enjoyable. It's a heady power trip to be very blase about something that the other person is completely in the throes of.

 

[SweetDommes]

I tend to use denial, and rather than force I also like this:

"I'm getting bored. You're on my schedule. You have 20 seconds to finish this the fuck up or you don't get off."

Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Not my problem either way, and either way is thoroughly enjoyable. It's a heady power trip to be very blase about something that the other person is completely in the throes of.

hmmm... sounds like something we would both do to our boy(s) ...

-Miss Karen

 

[landcruisergal]

welcome to the conversation landcruisergal ~~smile~~

Another vote for Denial being the more welcomed of the two...I am beginning to see a pattern here and one that I am not surprised to see.

I do enjoy the way in which you have articulated the Forced Orgasm as it pertains directly to you. ~~grin~~ each small mercy is a mercy none the less! Knowing when to be grateful is generally appreciated as well!

Thankyou! I do endeavor to express my gratitude as best as I can. *evil grin*
Even if my response is muffled oftimes by biting my lip out of frustration.To only have one orgasm is an exercise in control I often fail, being a multiple girl.Denial is way easier.*sigh* but I am working on it......

 

[hurtme]

hmm...of course, I have to disagree with the majority, but i have to say osmethign first...

I don't orgasm with a partner, it has only happened with one person (male or female...and yes, it was the first dom I ever had) I think it is a deep seeded mental isse., but that is neither here nor there...
I have to masturbate at least once a day, and I have to have multiple orgasms, or I will be on edge the rest of the day...I don't know why this is, it just is...and yes, I do go through a lot of batteries...lol

with him, I am not allowed to play with my toys, adn so I go a little nuts...so he enjoys torturing me by restraining me with my arms bound straight above my head (so I won't bite myself in trying to stop an orgasm) and my legs spead wide...and forcing me to have multiple orgasms, until my whole body is shaking...and I love the way he just plays me like a fiddle...he so enjoys the looks on my face when he tells me not to cum, and I can't help it, cause it has been days...so he punishs me by putting a nice vibrating toy right on my overly sensitive clit until I do it again...I knw maybe it doesn't sound like punishment, but I assure you it is...and I love it even as I am wishing he would stop soon...so as far as the debate goes...forced orgasm over denail anyday in my book...

 

[Shadowsdream]

I know I have used both. I tend to use denial as part of training, and I have only used forced orgasm as a form of punishment. So... I'd go along with the sentiment that forced orgasm is more devastating that denial.

Of course, by combining denial with frequent or constant stimulation, it too can be rather mind-bending!

Hell Fungi...and welcome to the conversation!

I am one of those firm believers that Denial backed with edge training is a very efficient way to increase the awareness and desire for sexual release...a wonderful tool to begin a nice begging cycle if permitted in the relationship. Thank You for bringing up the mind bending aspects of Denial with stimulation.

Forced Orgasms are also very entertaining for the Dominant are they not?

 

[Shadowsdream]

We technically haven't done either with our boy ... he does have to ask permission first, but as of yet, we haven't told him no when he asked ... and we haven't really spent enough time with him for forced orgasm.

So now we wait to see if he has any thoughts on the subject (he always manages to rat himself out & tell us stuff that he doesn't intend to LOL)

-Miss Karen

~~grin~~ sounds like Your boy is in a win win situation!