Democrats are pushing America toward economic disaster

[pecksniff]

Even if that were true, that's not a reason to have open borders.

But it is a reason why tightening border controls wouldn't solve the problem, to the extent it is a problem.

 

[pecksniff]

That "economic disaster" does not appear any nearer now than in March.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't think protecting the nation and it's economic and social stability is a waste.

Clearly you do because I've explained clearly that if you get rid of the food source the rats will stop coming, and better yet if you put a very specific food source they will focus on it and solve your problem. BUT you want to run around chasing them so they won't even take the bait and do things the legal way that makes things easiest and protects the most while wasting the least. This has nothing to do with protection. It NEVER DID. IT is about oppression. And other than to say "Calling something racists is just what libs do" you've never touched the minutae because you cannot.

All the more reasons to make the consequences of making forced entry (border jumping) so mother fucking severe and horrifying that legal entry is the ONLY way to go.

Nope, too much work for too little reward, especially when nearly half come in legally and many are children or its impposible to tell where they are born. You'd rather do more paperwork and what will probably involve DNA testing by the end instead of attacking rich white people who will in turn stop attracting illegals.

BUT THIS WAS AND IS NEVER ABOUT THE LAW. ITS ABOUT FUCKIGN BROWN PEOPLE.

OR!!! (and) I'd be more than willing to have a "Sign in and fill out your citizenship paperwork at the port of entry and we're all good!" open immigration policy.

Stop lying. That would be the core of your argument if you believed a single word there and that by itself would solve so much of the problem. So get back to me when you and yours are running candidates based on that. Cus I think you're just lying.

Under the condition we shit ca the welfare state.

Liberalism isn't a racist philosophy. Quite the opposite.

Racial identitarianism and ethno-socialism (the DNC's official platform) however is.

CA is barely a welfare state, we are just a state with some issues that we have a difficult time with for various reasons. Liberalism isn't a real philosophy. They are republicans who don't want to be associated with Sarah Palin. Even the only liberterians of merit, Rand and Ron don't pretend they aren't Republcian. And we are well past a the "with us or your every bit as bad as them" point in history. There can be no middle ground and you are standing with Trump. No ifs. No ands. No I don't agree with this. You are either dedicated to making that philosophy obsolete or we must treat you as we treat him because he was made possible because we made exceptions.

 

[CornusKousa]

But it is a reason why tightening border controls wouldn't solve the problem, to the extent it is a problem.

It wouldn't solve it, but it would solve a primary issue and put a major dent in the overall problem.

 

[CornusKousa]

Clearly you do because I've explained clearly that if you get rid of the food source the rats will stop coming,

And you clearly missed the part where I clearly explained that surrendering your kitchen and home to rats is fucking stupid.

You call the pest control, ICE, and remove the rats.

BUT THIS WAS AND IS NEVER ABOUT THE LAW. ITS ABOUT FUCKIGN BROWN PEOPLE.

Only in the delusional minds of lefty bigots ignoring the law.

Stop lying. That would be the core of your argument if you believed a single word there and that by itself would solve so much of the problem. So get back to me when you and yours are running candidates based on that. Cus I think you're just lying.

I'm not lying.

Get rid of all federal social/welfare programs and sent it all back to the states and I'd be happy to have a "Just sign in, get your SSN and papers." immigration policy.

CA is barely a welfare state,

CA is an overpriced dumpster fire.

 

[pecksniff]

It wouldn't solve it, but it would solve a primary issue and put a major dent in the overall problem.

Tightening border controls is not very "liberal."

 

[Rightguide]

New York City is about to commit suicide. Comrade De Blasio is about to institute new mask mandates and Jim Crow laws. Only 33% of black folks in NYC are vaccinated. The new laws requiring vaccination to use public services, 66% of unvaccinated black folks won't be able to go to the store, eat at a restaurant, or enter a public building, or mode of travel. We aren't surprised, because he is a Democrat running a plantation.

 

[CornusKousa]

New York City is about to commit suicide. Comrade De Blasio is about to institute new mask mandates and Jim Crow laws. Only 33% of black folks in NYC are vaccinated. The new laws requiring vaccination to use public services, 66% of unvaccinated black folks won't be able to go to the store, eat at a restaurant, or enter a public building, or mode of travel. We aren't surprised, because he is a Democrat running a plantation.

No, the (D) voters, especially the black and brown ones, will fucking LOVE IT and no doubt vote for more of it!!

 

[CornusKousa]

Tightening border controls is not very "liberal."

Sure it is, the same way tightening violent crime controls are.

Liberalism doesn't include societal/national harm and destabilization.

You're again conflating liberalism with anarchism.

Not the same, no matter how many times you post that dishonest bullshit.

 

[pecksniff]

We aren't surprised, because he is a Democrat running a plantation.

 

[pecksniff]

You're again conflating liberalism with anarchism.

I'm sure I do it no injustice by conflating it with Libertarianism, and the LP has proposed a constitutional amendment: "There shall be open borders." (Though I understand the party is divided on the issue.)

 

[WillJ8787]

ED
Lax economy.
Still can't see the data on which jobs are the 9 million open jobs. Wish there was a breakdown on that. I can see restaurant and hotel staff not wanting to go to work. And understand the argument they are paid to stay home. But feel it is more the nonsense media and whoever is manning the biden puppet strings propagandising the covid remnants. Then there is the free money argument as well. But eliminating that to make the workers that consider their job to be in harms way? Is that fair? I hate it for the restaurants but there were only two here I would go to and one closed before the pandemic. The grandmother with the authentic recipes passed away and business dropped off shortly after. Was sad for the family business and the family. Again I hate it for restaurants and hotels but do not feel it is for me to force these workers back to it. Personally my opinion would be that those jobs were filled as a second income to the family or a younger person anyway. I understand why they are not filled.
But manufacturing where pay is better. How many of those jobs are vacant? How many of the jobs that produce items hard to find on the shelves are actually US jobs? Biden regime is doing nothing to promote US business.
The increased cost of everything being evidenced as inflation. Smoke and mirrors folks. Find a shortage. Fuel is up and the source of the fuel has been limited by government. Even elec and gas to heat your home has been attacked by this regime. There is not a lack of trees for lumber. Food production is being hacked by climate orders and other liberal views on what we should eat and why. All artificial cost increases imposed by liberal gov. Several of these causes were from Joe Biden executive orders to simply negate the success of President Trump. I know you hate to hear that but it is true. You know it and it makes you ill because your way isn't working and hasn't worked for dem's going back to Kennedy.
I'm in VA outside DC and have to be honest. All of my neighbors are working or retired before and during covid not much change at all. There was some down time for some early on. the ones that were in a bracket that received the "stimulus" made a joke of it. Other friends in the retail business advised on the second stimulus they more than met their annual sales projection.
The pressure on inflation could easily be reigned in. The libs are pushing trillions of borrowed money into the economy. Stop it. Simple as that. Stimulus is fine but all these nonsense programs and ear marks... Stupid. the states can deal with that. The fed gov should not be feeding states cash. It is not distributed equally per state. And to be honest where I see these bills passed with abortion, blm, white supremacy, covid fear mongering bordering on control or population manipulation none of that money should be included. Trillions would become billions and something we could recover from without inflation and you wait. Go back to your economics class. What comes after inflation?
The moratoium on evictions is a Dem media scheme. A talking point for freedom haters. You may see families evicted if they are trying to live off the stimulous. I get that. But I do not see them lining the streets. The dollars from the trillions for the renters is actually for the landlord's banks. The renter never sees the money or anything. The property owner is the one required to request the relief. And it is not for rent. It is for the loss they incur when the rent is unpaid. Not the lost income from rent. The program is basically there to prop up the mortgage banks holding notes that would go unpaid.
Another cost killing America is unfettered boarder crossing. Close the border. At the very least test for covid and the variants? Jesus they are trying to force us to carry papers or have a test vaccine for an already cured pandemic. At least that is what Biden and the media are saying. Covid19 is gone. There is not a vaccine for all the variants. But they want you to get it anyway. If they are sick they don't cross. My family was held for moths on Ellis Island before they were allowed entry. And even then they had to follow the lawful process to citizenship. Since the current regime the lawful immigration process has not been properly managed. The backlog is horrible. And these are people that want to participate as American's. Not people coming with drugs or a hand out for assistance. The costs and long term costs of all these never to be documented people is not calculable.
Trump had it right. I am also curious what are other nations doing? I know there are not any other free countries. But how are the socialists authoritarian communist govt's making out? Were they already broke and we can't see? You sure can't rely on media for that and the search engines are all filtered for data they want you to see or not see, The facts are missing. Even the CIA World Fact Book is propaganda since the Biden regime.

Ah, I see. You don't like the rules of Supply and Demand.
None of what you present matters...if you reduce supply of something(however that happens) and demand remains the same or increases....prices or wages(when talking about labor supply or demand) will rise. One way or another.

Here is how target is creating incentives:. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/04/tar...ee-college-degrees-to-woo-retail-workers.html

Wawa....starting salary is way up and they offer a $500 signing bonus.

 

[CornusKousa]

I'm sure I do it no injustice by conflating it with Libertarianism, and the LP has proposed a constitutional amendment: "There shall be open borders." (Though I understand the party is divided on the issue.)

True, but like you said even within the LP that's a divisive issue.

That argument also comes under the condition that the Federal government be stripped down to the DOD, DOT, FAA and not much else.

Trying to use that fringe idea as the ONLY liberal ideal is laughable on it's face.

There is nothing illiberal or racist about having borders or controlling immigration.

 

[Cubantripod]

None of that is an argument for keeping wages low.

No one is arguing for lower wages. Let the market set the rate. If you can't make enough money, then perhaps you should consider some level of training or schooling to make yourself more attractive to employers.

 

[Cubantripod]

I'm sure I do it no injustice by conflating it with Libertarianism, and the LP has proposed a constitutional amendment: "There shall be open borders." (Though I understand the party is divided on the issue.)

Libertarianism is based on voluntarism. Let parties bargain and contract freely.

 

[pecksniff]

No one is arguing for lower wages. Let the market set the rate.

That has been the general approach since the 1980s, and since that time wages and salaries have stagnated for all but the rich. We've had about enough of it.

 

[pecksniff]

Libertarianism is based on voluntarism. Let parties bargain and contract freely.

That has nothing to do with border controls one way or another.

 

[Cubantripod]

That has been the general approach since the 1980s, and since that time wages and salaries have stagnated for all but the rich. We've had about enough of it.

Because we let most of our manufacturing sector go overseas. Some of the richest zip-codes in America were in the suburbs of those large manufacturing hubs such as Detroit.

 

[pecksniff]

Because we let most of our manufacturing sector go overseas. Some of the richest zip-codes in America were in the suburbs of those large manufacturing hubs such as Detroit.

The problem is less offshoring than automation. Automated jobs can't ever be brought back. Nothing short of heavily redistributive taxation and Universal Basic Income is going to help here.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

ED

Do you know what a paragraph is?

If you expect your posts to be read, learn to make paragraphs....use proper grammar, and avoid simple spelling errors....doing so also might not make you look so unintelligent.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Because we let most of our manufacturing sector go overseas. Some of the richest zip-codes in America were in the suburbs of those large manufacturing hubs such as Detroit.

I bolded and expanded the key word you used...let.

Examine that word, ask yourself, why would anyone "let" their high paying jobs migrate overseas?

It was not a "let", it was an answer to corporate America on how to maximise profits, and keep prices low, period.

 

[Cubantripod]

The problem is less offshoring than automation. Automated jobs can't ever be brought back. Nothing short of heavily redistributive taxation and Universal Basic Income is going to help here.

We didn't automate our manufacturing. We let it go overseas. Some businesses were coming back and others were considering it during the Trump presidency. Universal basic income has been tried in other places and always failed.

 

[WillJ8787]

I bolded and expanded the key word you used...let.

Examine that word, ask yourself, why would anyone "let" their high paying jobs migrate overseas?

It was not a "let", it was an answer to corporate America on how to maximize profits, and keep prices low, period.

Yes and the abject poverty created in the Detroit suburbs is almost exclusively the result of Auto Companies pulling out and going over see for cheap labor to create mega wealth in these companies at the top.

It is called good old fashioned greed, American Style in Detroit. Flint Michigan is another example of this and documented by many including Michael Moore in his first documentary, Roger and Me. While autoworker families were losing their houses via evictions he interviewed executives play golf on members only golf course saying , "the workers who were losing their jobs and getting evicted were lazy." The spinless auto executives and their board of directors sold American out. How did they sell this mass exodos over the border to Mexico at the time...."the Unions and, well, it's Capitalism".

The Flint Michigan water crisis gets it's origin way back in the 1970's from these events....and this will happen in any city or area that has manufacturing that leaves or automates lying off thousands of jobs.

 

[pecksniff]

Some businesses were coming back and others were considering it during the Trump presidency.

Not that amounted to much. The unemployment rate had practically nothing to do with that.

 

[YDB95]

The real answer is, as it always is, the government needs to get out of the way of our free market system and stop paying people more money to to stay home then they earn on their job. There are 8 million plus jobs out there, previously held before Covid, that are not being applied for now. So what is the difference? Extended federal unemployment benefits designed to affect a market outcome that fits a preferred Democrat policy goal, which is separating people from the dignity of work to create dependence on the government which enhances government power over the individual.

You have obviously never been on public assistance if you believe that. It's one hell of a racist dogwhistle, too. (Yeah, yeah, I know, you didn't mention race at all. That is exactly how the Southern strategy works.)