Democratic Primary Fucktussle!

[SEVERUSMAX]

Last night at the debate, Beto says: "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15's."

Within minutes, a GOP Texas state lawmaker Tweets out: "My AR is ready for you" which prompted accusations of that being a "death threat."

I'm not totally certain that qualifies exactly as a "death threat" but I am pretty sure it would be found on a list of "How ammosexuals masturbate."

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For a Texan, Beto seems very tone-deaf to other Texans. It's not a death-threat, more like the classic "Molon Labe" (Come and Take It) that was also on the Alamo flag. I only lived three years in Texas and I know that much.

I understand, however, that Beto is being frank and sincere in his statements. He means well. He really believes in what he advocates. He's also desperate to climb back up in the polls. He really needs to bow out and run for Senate, but this last comment might have sunk his chances for that.

My own proposal for handling the AR-15 is much like what we did with the Thompson submachine gun. It worked. We imposed a tax and license for it. The numbers of owners dropped more than a little and the ones who still got them did far less violence. It's not a ban, but it's not completely ignoring the role of assault rifles in mass shootings (even if media exaggerates their prevalence a bit, they have been used in a lot of horrific incidents of late, so that's fair). My solution is nuanced, it curtails the proliferation of assault rifles, but doesn't ban or force anyone to sell back.

Collection and enforcement of a mandatory buyback and ban would be a logistical and PR nightmare.....probably a political one, too.

 

[phrodeau]

Last night at the debate, Beto says: "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15's."

Within minutes, a GOP Texas state lawmaker Tweets out: "My AR is ready for you" which prompted accusations of that being a "death threat."

I'm not totally certain that qualifies exactly as a "death threat" but I am pretty sure it would be found on a list of "How ammosexuals masturbate."

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I thought Briscoe Cain just meant that he had his AR-15 all boxed up and ready for pickup.

You know, like “come and take it,” the unofficial motto of Texas, according to Cain. They’re just giving guns away there.

 

[KeithD]

Twitter has taken the lawmaker's tweet down, so it's offensiveness is official.

 

[butters]

isn't the rest of the phrase 'over my dead body'? in otherwords, violence implicit

 

[butters]

so what happened back in the 90's when the ban was in place? did people riot? did people die because they couldn't buy a weapon that should never have been available to the public in the first place? of course not.

 

[BotanyBoy]

so what happened back in the 90's when the ban was in place? did people riot? did people die because they couldn't buy a weapon that should never have been available to the public in the first place? of course not.

We built "assault weapons" with different body kits...like this.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/83/7f/a8837f6fcb0e73ff8ed3f3fa9b6f4588.jpg

And this....
https://www.riflegear.com/images/product/medium/3743_1_.jpg

POOF!! Not "assault weapons" anymore...and just like that, those that know were 100% side stepping that ignorant bullshit and all the blue states ignorant bullshit.

Not a single one of their bans actually bans any guns, just particular accessory/accessory combos.

This is why folks who know something about guns are always asking folks who don't to define "assault weapon".....none of you ever figure it out.

 

[butters]

Originally Posted by BotanyBoy View Post

Why not just go to one of the many other nations that are into the kinds of oppression you support bringing to the USA as "progress" ?

I did, and I can tell you one thing: in four and a half years in Australia, I have never once woken up in the morning feeling oppressed by my reasonably priced, tax-paid health care, nor by my knowledge that there has been exactly one mass-shooting 23 years ago vs. probably over a hundred during that time back home.

hey, botboy



yd, that's a mic drop moment right there

 

[BotanyBoy]

hey, botboy



yd, that's a mic drop moment right there

How so?

All he did was demonstrate that he either doesn't know what the US progressive (D)'s are promoting or that he has no clue what socialism is.

 

[butters]

How so?

All he did was demonstrate that he either doesn't know what the US progressive (D)'s are promoting or that he has no clue what socialism is.

on those odd occasions i decide to read your posts, such as today, i find i have to ask myself 'where is the planet this guy lives on and what is it called?'

 

[BotanyBoy]

on those odd occasions i decide to read your posts, such as today, i find i have to ask myself 'where is the planet this guy lives on and what is it called?'

Same one you're on, Earth.

What EXACTLY do you see that's so wrong you think I'm on some other planet?

 

[butters]

Same one you're on, Earth.

What EXACTLY do you see that's so wrong you think I'm on some other planet?

most everything you post

so there you have it. have a good evening.

 

[BotanyBoy]

most everything you post

so there you have it. have a good evening.

About as exact as I thought a STRONG woman like you would have the courage to get.



Enjoy your echo chamber.

 

[YDB95]

How so?

All he did was demonstrate that he either doesn't know what the US progressive (D)'s are promoting or that he has no clue what socialism is.

Now it's socialism, is it? Yesterday you were comparing the Green New Deal et al to communism. I know American right-wingers tend to use the terms interchangeably, but not only are they two different things, their respective adherents always hated each other.

In other words, you are the one who just showed you either don't know or don't care (or both) what socialism is.

 

[JackLuis]

Gee guys, why are you not talking about what the Candidates said or did during the Fucktussle III?

Refuting BB is a waste of time. Talking about Progressive ideas in detail not extravagant hyperbole is what counts.

Like the Health Care debate, Bernie wants to eliminate the Health Insurance industry, maybe that is why he get so much flack, but they never say that it is the Insurance Industry that is the problem. At least Liz points out how much they suck off the top and how much we pay to have "Freedom" to be subject to their profit margins.

Guns and Criminal Justice system, no one ever says that our problem is caused by how we treat people, undereducate them, or rehabilitate them. No one ever says it is because we have loaded the dice so some people are "Borne Winners" and some are the scum that is only good for grifting from.


Nobody talks about really cutting of the fossil fuel subsidies, because EXXON wouldn't like that and EXXON controls enough of Congress to prevent any opposition from doing anything but boost their profits.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Now it's socialism, is it?

Both really.

Yesterday you were comparing the Green New Deal et al to communism.

GND =/= progressives.

I know American right-wingers tend to use the terms interchangeably, but not only are they two different things,

They aren't all that different and are based in nearly all the same core ideals/values.

their respective adherents always hated each other.

LOL....no, not always, not even close.

In other words, you are the one who just showed you either don't know or don't care (or both) what socialism is.

I know and care, but I see both in the group of people called "progressives".

 

[BotanyBoy]

Refuting BB is a waste of time. Talking about Progressive ideas in detail not extravagant hyperbole is what counts.

Details support extravagance.....it's not hyperbole.

Like the Health Care debate, Bernie wants to eliminate the Health Insurance industry, maybe that is why he get so much flack,

Comrade....ya think???

but they never say that it is the Insurance Industry that is the problem.

So you do the AMERICAN and LIBERAL thing and the legislators craft legislation that inhibits any behaviors that are malicious/destructive to society, or you provide a public service that competes with the private sector and drives prices down.

You don't eliminate private property and exchanges like some Soviet dictator.....that shit is anti-American and YOU support it. Good job comrade.

At least Liz points out how much they suck off the top and how much we pay to have "Freedom" to be subject to their profit margins.

You aren't subject to shit....nobody is forcing you to use their services, that's your freedom just like making profits is theirs.

Oh I forgot you fucking hate freedom, you're an anti-American leftist.

Nobody talks about really cutting of the fossil fuel subsidies, because EXXON wouldn't like that and EXXON controls enough of Congress to prevent any opposition from doing anything but boost their profits.

Because the lower 50% wouldn't like that......it would crush our poor.

So yea cut the fuel subsidies off!!! And when gas is 25$/gal let us now how the wage slaves out there feel about it.

 

[Dumpington]

Jonathan Chait wrote about the following futuristic scenario for New York magazine:

Imagine a strange new virus that wipes out everybody below the age of 75, including our entire political leadership - except for one old man - who has survived on account of his age, but may also be too old to handle the awesome task before him. Now suppose that this is happening right now to the Democratic Party's presidential campaign, and that old man is none-other-than Joe Biden.

In the aftermath of the 2016 elections, the political theory being promoted by the party’s far-left-wing suddenly gained wide circulation. The unexpected appeal of Bernie Sanders proved that Democrats were finally ready to embrace socialism, or at least something close to it; and Donald Trump’s election proved that a nominee with extreme positions could still win. These two conclusions combined to suggest that the party could now move hard left with no political cost.

Neither of these conclusions is actually correct. The Bernie Sanders vote encompassed ONLY those Dems who couldn't stand Hillary Clinton for a wide array of reasons — and yet, this analysis seemed to race unchallenged throughout the Democratic Party starting in 2016 — and by 2019 most of the Democratic field had absorbed this new conventional wisdom, with everybody shifting sharply to the left! On some issues, like minimum wage laws, left-wing positions really do have some mass-appeal - but on others, too many candidates have exposed themselves to damaging general election attacks: e.g. reparations for slavery, decriminalizing the border, and giving health-care coverage to illegal immigrants, among others.

The ONLY element of "normalcy" remaining among declared Democrat candidates seems to be "Gropin' Joe" Biden, who seemingly wants only to turn back the clock to the Obama-Biden years! And right now, Biden appears to be the candidate most likely to stagger first across the finish line. He has campaigned at a leisurely pace. His first debate performance was disastrous. The next two started out vigorous, but saw him slowly run out of steam as the evening wore on. Thursday night included a rambling answer in which he urged parents to “make sure you have the record player on at night.” Joe’s lack of awareness of changing technologies may have some benefits, but it’s more disturbing if he lacks a working knowledge of such innovations as the compact disc player.

If Biden isn’t up to the job, the Democratic Party needs for him to collapse soon enough for another mainstream liberal Democrat like Booker or Harris to take his place. But right now it's looking like he's successfully locking down the party’s center, while Sanders and Warren continue to try to outflank each other on the left. There’s still some time for things to change. But right now, it's looking increasingly like the Democrats are all going to go down with their ship captained by Creepy-Sleepy Joe!

 

[moonflasher]

Who won the debate ?.....Trump did yet again.

 

[JackLuis]

Taking Politics out of the Leftist-Rightist grasp, centrist’s talk about Anti-Trumpisim!

Overtime with Michale Steele, Michale Moore, and others.

Electorial College and Beating Trump into the ground and the tactics toe do so. Good Talk.

 

[JackLuis]

Joe Biden weathers Democratic debate but uncertainty persists

Joe Biden did what he needed to — avoid major blunders — in the latest debate featuring the top Democrats in the 2020 race for the White House, but the frontrunner faced lingering doubts Friday about his ability to take on President Donald Trump.

The centrist former vice president weathered sustained criticism from his rivals on Thursday, far-left Senator Bernie Sanders in particular, on issues from health care and immigration to foreign policy.

OHJ was pretty good, he never stepped on his own dick. Which is more that Trump ever does.

 

[Dumpington]

moonflasher writes: "Who won the debate ?.....Trump did yet again."

I was thinking the exact same thing!

JackLuis writes: "The centrist former vice president weathered sustained criticism from his rivals on Thursday, far-left Senator Bernie Sanders in particular, on issues from health care and immigration to foreign policy."

First of all, Jack, Joe Biden is ONLY a "centrist" if you compare him with the rest of the Democratic Party pack, which are a bunch of far-lefties! But I would NEVER consider "Gropin' Joe" to be anything but a far-from-center liberal!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/919/373/c29.png - (Creepy Joe doin' what Joe does best!)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/f7/b0/b6f7b09d73ca71d560e0aed4a3daca53.jpg - (President Obama warns Joe about Hillary!)

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ba/db/00/badb000ed4ba756cf594babb10e2b762--joe-biden-political-views.jpg - (Joe Biden: Like a rock, only dumber!)

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Actually, by global standards, our right is considered far right, our far right is considered extreme far right, our center is considered right-wing, our center-left is centrist, our far left is simply left, our extreme far left is simply far left. We don't really have an extreme far left here in the States.

 

[KeithD]

What, no real Commies? Who would have known?

 

[Dumpington]

SEVERUSMAX writes: "Actually, by global standards, our right is considered far right, our far right is considered extreme far right, our center is considered right-wing, our center-left is centrist, our far left is simply left, our extreme far left is simply far left. We don't really have an extreme far left here in the States."

Wow - reading what you just wrote there is like watching a full half-hour of fake news CNN, SeverusMax! Let's break it down, shall we?

"Actually, by global standards..."

I really don't give a crap what the rest of the world thinks. It's why I don't EVER want to see the U.S.A. taking order from the United Nations! The only reason why the U.N. succeeded while the old League of Nations failed miserably is because the U.N. had American money, power, & leadership behind it! But too many member nations are dictatorships, one-party-states, Islamic theocracies, or failed-nation-states (like Somalia)!

"...our right is considered far right"

That's just stupid. Conservatives created a U.S.A. that is the most powerful, the most free, and the most envied land on our planet, where people from all over the world want to live (coming here both legally AND illegally)!

"...our far right is considered extreme far right"

And who exactly is our "far right?" Conservative Republicans are HARDLY far-right!

"...our center is considered right-wing"

The American heartland may have abandoned the Democratic Party, but that DOESN'T make it necessarily "right-wing!"

"...our center-left is centrist"

Our "center-left" = big government tax & spend liberals.

"...our far left is simply left"

Our "far-left" = Barack Obama & Joe Biden Democrats.

"...our extreme far left is simply far left. We don't really have an extreme far left here in the States."

Our "extreme far-left" = the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party that has embraced socialist economics and no longer respects our U.S. flag.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Actually, by global standards, our right is considered far right, our far right is considered extreme far right, our center is considered right-wing, our center-left is centrist, our far left is simply left, our extreme far left is simply far left. We don't really have an extreme far left here in the States.

Yes...and all that is because the USA was founded on a the right wing ideology of liberalism.....classical English liberalism to be exact.

That's why the socialist left is anti-American.