Delving the Psyche of Sadists

[CutieMouse]

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[dolf]

There is a tormented thread?

yes...badly in need of a tormentor!
xx

 

[Guest]

Of course ..this does raise questions about the interactions inherent in things like knife and fire play.
Hmmmm

 

[CutieMouse]

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[Guest]

How so?

*sitting thinking how much fun it is to see how the other side thinks*

Hmmm? Because both of those activities...Generally..Hinge on the appearance and possibility of danger and not the actuality thereof..
For most at least


(Yes and now someone will post to say that they had their wazzoo cut off and glued back on with hot wax and enjoyed the hell out of it..*sigh*)

 

[dolf]

(Yes and now someone will post to say that they had their wazzoo cut off and glued back on with hot wax and enjoyed the hell out of it..*sigh*)

i think i should stop reading this thread.
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[pandoravampire]

In a purely metacognitive way: coz im not that comfortable that i would engage in a sexual way.

RJMasters: your description of a sadists motivating factors. Wow! How beautiful. Simplistic subjective and beautiful. Thankyou. I have far more understanding than previous.

I know now, that the Father who raised me, was indeed a Sadist.
Im in psychiatry, and never have i been able to 'diagnose' his personality disorder that he so clearly had. Schizoid being the closest, then your thread. It so fits. Completely separate this from sexuality, Sadism is not about sexual pleasure, only some gain sexual gratification from these act, other gain immense sense of Power, some interpret/misinterpret this as sexual.
He was at the time in the parachute regiment. A killing machine automatom. Just what the army and our country needed at that time.

I would from your explanation of what sadism means to you, conclude that; although i have never met a sadist in a sexual forum, if i did, and they disclosed this to me, i would judge them more understandingly after reading your original post, and the additions to this thread. I found it very illuminating.

I have experienced the street fight scenario about 2 yrs ago. For a woman, as Netzach states, this is not the norm. Granted, this was some some poor fools attempt to mug me. I did not stop, i could not stop, i beat over and over and over again until spent. The power from being able to pick a grown man up and throw him, the sounds his body made as it collided against obstacles, my foot as it crashed into his body, the screams as he writhed. My loss of control.
The assailant, (note how i objectify him as the bad guy here, so as not to assail my feminine sensibilities) was a known trouble maker in the area, and referred to as a 'psycho' often high on some substance of the amphetamine variety. The whole scenario fuelled intitially by my fear, then by power lust was amazing, one off hopefully. Adrenalin is far more powerful a drug than anything he'd injected that night it seems.
Im fearful of this scenario ever happening again. Power exchange is one thing, taking all is quite another. There are after all laws regarding this, many of which are not legislative, but moral.

Lots of interesting thought. From a masochistic point of view, um 3 kids, natural births, ive been to the pinnacle of pain and back, nope, did sod all for me. But masochism and sadism are both phenomena that lend themselves to sexuality rather than are a sexuality, but thats just my opinion based on fuck all knowledge or experience.

 

[Guest]

Hmmm

After giving this even more thought --I think I am going to carry part of this torch over into another thread.

 

[crazybbwgirl]

From RJM
...snip..."they are opening themselves and showing the other "this is who I am" and yes it is that scary. Imagine the great worth when the S/O shows not only acceptance, but takes pleasure from who and what they are. It defies words to explain the exchange between them, and the rest of us watch in horror not understanding the raw beauty which we behold."

I love that. My Dom (and I use the term loosely - I think he's strictly a Sadist - but saying "My Sadist" sounds so weird?) tells me "But if I don't hurt you I won't enjoy myself." I love that too.

 

[OliverTwists]

I think it's about the core of BDSM

Punisment.

Revenge vs attonment.

We have all done wrong and been wronged. But we have not always been punished. We all got away with it at some time. All this perverted joy at avoiding justice turns to guilt.

What BDSM does is that it releases these emotions. It lances those absesses.

And the beauty of it is that it's concentual.
Its limited. The control isn't in the possetion. The control has always been in the sub's hands. When the sub utters the safe word it's got to stop or it's abuse. It's another source of anger and domniation.

The sub lets her/himself be hurt.
The Dom hurts but is glad for the limits.

In the end it's not so much about punishment but about release.

It's the release of all the hurt, of all the guilt and anger.

If this sounds a bit broad, it's because it's kinda hard to explain odd without even.

 

[dolf]

off topic...
welcome Oliver Twist. good to see you hon.
hope you're gonna be good in here, or i may have to post those pics
xx

 

[rosco rathbone]

Sadism is not about sexual pleasure, only some gain sexual gratification from these act, other gain immense sense of Power, some interpret/misinterpret this as sexual.

*Raises hand*

I misinterpret the immense feelings of sexual power I derive from hurting sex partners pretty much 100% of the time. To me, nothing is more sexual.

 

[sunfox]

*Raises hand*

I misinterpret the immense feelings of sexual power I derive from hurting sex partners pretty much 100% of the time. To me, nothing is more sexual.

I got that she was saying some misinterpret the desire that some sadists have for simple power over the 'victim' of the pain as being sexual.. not that sadism is never sexual.

Though I could be wrong. pandoravampire, feel free to correct.

 

[OliverTwists]

Back, when things were less 'civilized' humans operated a lot more on instinct. Their were two instincts. One was to protect, conquer and control.

graceanne

I don't think it's control. It's nurturing.

Yes protection is male and nurtuing is female. In out society, bent and sick as it is children need to be controlled to be nurtured. Nurture should in fact be it's own draw. The problem is that those who nurture can somtimes be very hard to be drawn to. My T tells me I need to be tamed to be loved. And he's spot on.

Does being a sadist, or having sadistic abilities mean you are a Dom/me?

innerdarkness

hell no. I'm a very domineering person RL and it's cost me alot. And I wanna get my ass BEAT!!

The reason why inducing or receiving pain is so liberating is that all that foul energy is released and the true self emerges clean again. And we all want to be clean. I used to skip showers simply to feel so much the cleaner.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I got that she was saying some misinterpret the desire that some sadists have for simple power over the 'victim' of the pain as being sexual.. not that sadism is never sexual.

Though I could be wrong. pandoravampire, feel free to correct.

Me thinks this argument runs aground upon the concept of "simple power over the victim". It's basically the same conundrum as the question of rape as crime of sex or crime of power. While this argument can go on forever, I humbly submit my final judgement, which is that some rapists, and sadists, have no psychic seperation between the areas of "power" and those of "sex".

 

[RJMasters]

Me thinks this argument runs aground upon the concept of "simple power over the victim". It's basically the same conundrum as the question of rape as crime of sex or crime of power. While this argument can go on forever, I humbly submit my final judgement, which is that some rapists, and sadists, have no psychic seperation between the areas of "power" and those of "sex".

Sounds about right RR

 

[graceanne]

Sounds about right RR

I agree

 

[sunfox]

Me thinks this argument runs aground upon the concept of "simple power over the victim". It's basically the same conundrum as the question of rape as crime of sex or crime of power. While this argument can go on forever, I humbly submit my final judgement, which is that some rapists, and sadists, have no psychic seperation between the areas of "power" and those of "sex".

Which is pretty much what I just said, only more clearly stated. I only said -some- sadists aren't in it for sex and power.. just power.

And you, rosco, humble? I don't buy it for a second.

 

[Netzach]

I made a regular and favorite victim of mine cry this week. The pleasure was definitely in having that much power over another person.

 

[Betticus]

I made a regular and favorite victim of mine cry this week. The pleasure was definitely in having that much power over another person.

This I understand.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I made a regular and favorite victim of mine cry this week. The pleasure was definitely in having that much power over another person.

Can be a delicious feeling for both victim and tormentor...and addictive.

Catalina

 

[Guest]

Nurturing ?

Was/am thinking of starting another thread...Simply because part of this lapses over into that weird motivational grey area.

If anyone is actually interested - personally I've been mulling a few things around in my head ever since my last post to this one.

Possible new thread "Dominance and Mastery as Atavism"

Or perhaps someone else should start it..As mine don't seem to last to long..
Anyhoo...I'm off to the doc's office ...*sigh* I think I may have broken my thumb.

Have fun and beat someone for me...

 

[rosco rathbone]

And you, rosco, humble? I don't buy it for a second.

Just a figure of speech, Sunny.

 

[RJMasters]

From RJM
...snip..."they are opening themselves and showing the other "this is who I am" and yes it is that scary. Imagine the great worth when the S/O shows not only acceptance, but takes pleasure from who and what they are. It defies words to explain the exchange between them, and the rest of us watch in horror not understanding the raw beauty which we behold."

I love that. My Dom (and I use the term loosely - I think he's strictly a Sadist - but saying "My Sadist" sounds so weird?) tells me "But if I don't hurt you I won't enjoy myself." I love that too.

 

[RJMasters]

Just a figure of speech, Sunny.

Dang...gets eraser out...unmarks calendar.