Defining Love

Cathleen said:
Thanks Shos...

I did some more pondering and reading this afternoon about loving ones self. I picked up a few books I keep nearby, one of which is Gary Zukav's The Seat of the Soul . It is a deep study (I think its deep) of spirit and love and self.

Ok... so after reading and thinking...... I am brought back to the psychology of love. Zukav's premise is about soul.... and since I believe wholeheartedly in the presence of a soul in humans, I never have to question this area. So my soul, it exists, and love exists and the two are tied together. My soul feels love, can love others. If I am unable to love myself, then I can not love others.... his thought....I am not all that conviced until I read more. We can not love others without loving ourself because we will not be able to stand to see others loved. If we can't treat ourselves kindly, then we will resent that treatment when you see it in others. And the biggie...if you can not love yourself then loving others will become a very painful endeavor, with only moments of comfort.

There is a connection between how you treat yourself and the love you give. As if you get our own medicine. This hurt me to read, and I don't really want to believe it, as I am thinking I fall into the "taste of my own medicine" category. My actions though belie my feelings on this idea. I am kind, loving and caring. But I find I am so closed to love, that I am almost unlovable. That the idea of how I treat myself has come to fruition, and I am getting a taste of my own medicine; it hurts to acknowledge and hurts to feel.

Awareness has been an important part of my adult life, being mindful too. But mostly awareness, as without it I am in denial. With out it I can not start the process of change. So while I am aware of this defect, I can gladened too, for now is the opportunity to change and grow. This is how my soul grows too, and each time my soul grows I do feel I become closer to my true self.

So I will continue to be kind to others. I will also take a closer look at how I treat myself, give myself the compassion I give others. Actually give myself all that I give others, love, care, concern and comfort. So I suppose it isn't so bad now, I just have more work to do, as always. Growth is work, hard work, the right path is often the most difficult path. Since I've faced other difficult isses, I will face this too.

Glad you brought this up! Thanks. (I think lol)
:rose:

Cathleen, so many wise thoughts here, thank you for sharing this.

i have several self-help books on loving oneself and accepting that you are worthy of love from yourself and from others.

it has been a hard path indeed, and i am no where near done learning. But i have learned i need to make better choices about who i chose to have as a lover. i need to pick people who stimulate my thoughts and creativity as well as my homones.

Lust is great, but for me it must complement the thinking part of my soul. otherwise problems develop in communication.

be well, shy
 
Originally posted by shyly curious
Cathleen, so many wise thoughts here, thank you for sharing this.

i have several self-help books on loving oneself and accepting that you are worthy of love from yourself and from others.

it has been a hard path indeed, and i am no where near done learning. But i have learned i need to make better choices about who i chose to have as a lover. i need to pick people who stimulate my thoughts and creativity as well as my homones.

Lust is great, but for me it must complement the thinking part of my soul. otherwise problems develop in communication.

be well, shy


ah shyly...I've always found the way to my heart is through my mind...a man has to win over my mind if there is any hope for love....eye candy is nice, but that's all it is if there isn't more substance.
 
shyly curious said:
Cathleen, so many wise thoughts here, thank you for sharing this.

i have several self-help books on loving oneself and accepting that you are worthy of love from yourself and from others.

it has been a hard path indeed, and i am no where near done learning. But i have learned i need to make better choices about who i chose to have as a lover. i need to pick people who stimulate my thoughts and creativity as well as my homones.

Lust is great, but for me it must complement the thinking part of my soul. otherwise problems develop in communication.

be well, shy
Doesn't it always seem to come back to honesty and communication; with ourselves as well as those we love. A tool that needs to be developed and used to keep sharp too.

I'll never be done, not in this lifetime or any that will follow.
 
wicked woman said:
ah shyly...I've always found the way to my heart is through my mind...a man has to win over my mind if there is any hope for love....eye candy is nice, but that's all it is if there isn't more substance.
I agree WW.... the mind, my mind, is a key.....to know me or not....whether I let you or not....its all in my mind's domain.....whether good or not....it is (for me).
 
Originally posted by Cathleen
I agree WW.... the mind, my mind, is a key.....to know me or not....whether I let you or not....its all in my mind's domain.....whether good or not....it is (for me).

hehe reading that had me thinking I'm a 'mind slut'. *don't mind me...just laughing at myself*
 
wicked woman said:
hehe reading that had me thinking I'm a 'mind slut'. *don't mind me...just laughing at myself*
lol...good one!! I think I could go beyong slut on this one! LOL:eek:
 
Cathleen said:
Doesn't it always seem to come back to honesty and communication; with ourselves as well as those we love. A tool that needs to be developed and used to keep sharp too.

I'll never be done, not in this lifetime or any that will follow.

yes, it does come back to communication, with yourself and with others.

which can be hard when what you want is to fit in in the real world.

sometimes it is hard to see what the compromises we are making truly cost us?
 
shyly curious said:
yes, it does come back to communication, with yourself and with others.

which can be hard when what you want is to fit in in the real world.

sometimes it is hard to see what the compromises we are making truly cost us?
now there is a question Shy.... what are we willing to give up or give into for love or belonging? I shudder at the thought of my younger years.... what I was willing to put up with or to be to feel accepted.... yes, gaining years and gaining wisdom.... good things!
 
Cathleen said:
now there is a question Shy.... what are we willing to give up or give into for love or belonging? I shudder at the thought of my younger years.... what I was willing to put up with or to be to feel accepted.... yes, gaining years and gaining wisdom.... good things!

mmmmm cate....you are defining maturity my lady...........we grow and expand ........and learn........
 
The thoughts that have been passed back and forth in the thread this past weekend or so have been fascinating to me. Learning that I am not the only one that feels that I have a long way to go even if I am an adult helps.

I am also learning what is most important to me right now in terms of what I am willing to give up. Being part of a permanent trinity is not going to be easy...and there will be prejudice...but...I want my Beloveds more than I am worried about what others think. :)
 
Shosh....I wish you all the best.....and I'm glad you are pursuing your Beloveds with your heart.... :rose:
 
No other way to pursue love, Cat. :) That is something I have learned...I may fall on my face and get hurt, but I still have to go for it.
 
Shoshisexy said:
No other way to pursue love, Cat. :) That is something I have learned...I may fall on my face and get hurt, but I still have to go for it.
I was reading this evening Shosh....came across this from Leo Buscaglia...... it talks about to laugh risks..looking a fool...etc
this is the part that made me think of my journey....and of you as well...your willingness:

"To love is to risk not being loved in return. And that's all right too. You love to love , not to get something back, or it isn't love."

"To hope is to risk pain. And, to try is to risk failure. But risk must be taken, because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing . The person who risks nothing does nothing, has nothing, and is nothing. He may avoid suffering and sorrow, but he simply cannot learn, feel, change, grow, live, or love. Only the person who risks is free"

"To keep you hidden, to lose you because of self-defeating ideas is to die. Don't let that happen. Your greatest responsibility is to become everything that you are, not only for your benefit, but for mine."

I need to remember this everyday..... I need to risk more.....to open myself to risk.... but I feel progress!

:rose:
 
Originally posted by Cathleen
I was reading this evening Shosh....came across this from Leo Buscaglia...... it talks about to laugh risks..looking a fool...etc
this is the part that made me think of my journey....and of you as well...your willingness:

"To love is to risk not being loved in return. And that's all right too. You love to love , not to get something back, or it isn't love."

"To hope is to risk pain. And, to try is to risk failure. But risk must be taken, because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing . The person who risks nothing does nothing, has nothing, and is nothing. He may avoid suffering and sorrow, but he simply cannot learn, feel, change, grow, live, or love. Only the person who risks is free"

"To keep you hidden, to lose you because of self-defeating ideas is to die. Don't let that happen. Your greatest responsibility is to become everything that you are, not only for your benefit, but for mine."

I need to remember this everyday..... I need to risk more.....to open myself to risk.... but I feel progress!

:rose:

Thanks for that. Took me way too many years to come to this conclusion...although trust me I didn't phrase it as eloquently. But I learned my lesson well. When I did take that risk and love again...and had the joy of having it returned...when my heart was eventually broken...yes it hurt like hell...but even in the middle of my pain I refused to wish that I'd never taken the risk and loved him. My heart remained open...we still love each other...just are resigned that we can't ever be together (long, long story)...and my heart is still open.

So guess I'm living proof that no matter how long it takes to learn the lesson...it is possible.
 
wicked woman said:
Thanks for that. Took me way too many years to come to this conclusion...although trust me I didn't phrase it as eloquently. But I learned my lesson well. When I did take that risk and love again...and had the joy of having it returned...when my heart was eventually broken...yes it hurt like hell...but even in the middle of my pain I refused to wish that I'd never taken the risk and loved him. My heart remained open...we still love each other...just are resigned that we can't ever be together (long, long story)...and my heart is still open.

So guess I'm living proof that no matter how long it takes to learn the lesson...it is possible.
that is a nice inspiration WW.... I am working on it...but getting derailed ......but I'm still working on it!
 
Originally posted by Cathleen
that is a nice inspiration WW.... I am working on it...but getting derailed ......but I'm still working on it!


just keep working on it Cathleen...took me decades (literally)...but trust me it's worth it. :rose:
 
wicked woman said:
just keep working on it Cathleen...took me decades (literally)...but trust me it's worth it. :rose:
Thanks WW.. I'm working...just getting off track with other stuff....but I am always making some kind of effort...:rose:
 
Life tends to lead you off track...just remember that sometimes...that is life's way of leading you to the -right- track. :)
 
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