Defining Love
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not at all cathleen
I just thought a nice bike ride now and again might
be benefical..
take care all
and i hope you all resolve this problem...
it seems as if the hang up is right in the middle
after you kiss the guy.. and before the marriage.
But on some other threads it seems to get
troublesome after the marriage about 15 years after...
I just thought a nice bike ride now and again might
be benefical..
take care all
and i hope you all resolve this problem...
it seems as if the hang up is right in the middle
after you kiss the guy.. and before the marriage.
But on some other threads it seems to get
troublesome after the marriage about 15 years after...
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Mind, you always have something provocative to say.
Love isn't a problem. Love is an opportunity. And a way of life.
Love isn't a problem. Love is an opportunity. And a way of life.
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/from Mindy:
love is just tooo deep.. if you like him kiss him.
if you really Like him F him...
and if your insane about one another Get married..
She makes the most sense here. (Mindfire)
love is just tooo deep.. if you like him kiss him.
if you really Like him F him...
and if your insane about one another Get married..
She makes the most sense here. (Mindfire)
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Love is me, Damsel, and Swain all together.
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This is from The Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav....
from the chapter on relationships:
" There are certain growing dynamics that can occur only within the dynamic of commitment. Without commitment you cannot learn to care for another person more than yourself. You cannot learn to value the growth of stenghth and clarity in another soul, even it that threatens the wants of your personality. When you release the wants of your personality in order to accommodate and encourage another's growth, you attune yourself to that person's soul. Without commitment, you cannot learn to see others as your soul see them - as beautiful and powerful spirits of the Light"
Just wanted to share that..... commitment is so large.
Have a great day all!
Cate
from the chapter on relationships:
" There are certain growing dynamics that can occur only within the dynamic of commitment. Without commitment you cannot learn to care for another person more than yourself. You cannot learn to value the growth of stenghth and clarity in another soul, even it that threatens the wants of your personality. When you release the wants of your personality in order to accommodate and encourage another's growth, you attune yourself to that person's soul. Without commitment, you cannot learn to see others as your soul see them - as beautiful and powerful spirits of the Light"
Just wanted to share that..... commitment is so large.
Have a great day all!
Cate
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Cate mentioned this thread to me because she thought I'd be interested ... gotta admit, I am.
In another discussion, Cate and I were talking about philosophy, and I mentioned Plato's Symposium. Okay, I'm not so very fluent in paraphrasing philosophy, but I'll try.
Socrates and six of his followers (students?) are trying to define love. Several pompous asses talk about what love is/should be, but my favorite part is when the fourth man, Aristophanes, stands to offer his perception.
Aristophanes suggests that the gods created three sexes, rather than the two (100% male and 100% female) that we have now. The third sex was a combination of the two (50% male and 50% female). Each human was a large, round creature with two identical faces, which faced in opposite directions, four hands, four arms, four legs, two sets of genitals, etc. etc.
These humans had remarkable strength and vigor, and tried to make their way up to heaven to attack the gods. When they were defeated, Zeus was angry, and to humiliate the humans by weakening them - he cut each one in half.
Now, instead of three humans there were six - the 100% male became two males, the 100% female became two females, and the 50% male/50% female became a man and a woman.
We are descendants of these humans - and as a result, we are always wandering the earth searching for our other half so we can become whole again.
I love that idea. It explains human sexuality, for one, and it also (at least for me) gives that bit of reassurance that we all DO have a Mr. or Ms. Right somewhere.
I tried to sum it up in a way that would be easiest to understand ... sorry if I didn't do very well!
Let me know what you think.
-Maggie
In another discussion, Cate and I were talking about philosophy, and I mentioned Plato's Symposium. Okay, I'm not so very fluent in paraphrasing philosophy, but I'll try.
Socrates and six of his followers (students?) are trying to define love. Several pompous asses talk about what love is/should be, but my favorite part is when the fourth man, Aristophanes, stands to offer his perception.
Aristophanes suggests that the gods created three sexes, rather than the two (100% male and 100% female) that we have now. The third sex was a combination of the two (50% male and 50% female). Each human was a large, round creature with two identical faces, which faced in opposite directions, four hands, four arms, four legs, two sets of genitals, etc. etc.
These humans had remarkable strength and vigor, and tried to make their way up to heaven to attack the gods. When they were defeated, Zeus was angry, and to humiliate the humans by weakening them - he cut each one in half.
Now, instead of three humans there were six - the 100% male became two males, the 100% female became two females, and the 50% male/50% female became a man and a woman.
We are descendants of these humans - and as a result, we are always wandering the earth searching for our other half so we can become whole again.
I love that idea. It explains human sexuality, for one, and it also (at least for me) gives that bit of reassurance that we all DO have a Mr. or Ms. Right somewhere.
I tried to sum it up in a way that would be easiest to understand ... sorry if I didn't do very well!
Let me know what you think.
-Maggie
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hummmmmmm. These women are really smart..
hummmmmmm. These women are really smart..
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*looks suspicious* Are you sure?MindFire said:
Kidding. I'm in a goofy mood.
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Hmm. That's kind of dumb.Damsel666 said:He he he Makes me feel almost as dumb as a bag a redneck hammersHe he he
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Cate, I find some real power in this description of commitment. I think this much more eloquently makes the case I have been stumbling through that love involves a selfless giving to another in order to make your beloved's life better.Cathleen said:This is from The Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav....
from the chapter on relationships:
" There are certain growing dynamics that can occur only within the dynamic of commitment. Without commitment you cannot learn to care for another person more than yourself. You cannot learn to value the growth of stenghth and clarity in another soul, even it that threatens the wants of your personality. When you release the wants of your personality in order to accommodate and encourage another's growth, you attune yourself to that person's soul. Without commitment, you cannot learn to see others as your soul see them - as beautiful and powerful spirits of the Light"
Just wanted to share that..... commitment is so large.
Have a great day all!
Cate
Thanks for sharing this with us.
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This lil Texas girlie tips her hat and bows to your expert wisdom. *giggle* I still think hammers are REALLY freakin' dumb, though.Damsel666 said:He he he Ayep
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Huh. Hmm. *feels curiously deflated* I only moved three hours away. And you know how hammer-dumb I am? I moved from a gorgeous house in the outskirts of a wonderful town to a hick-ass nowhere town.Damsel666 said:He he he Yeah they are. Tha's why I packed up an moved my lil ass ta Cali
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Maggie, first off, thanks for joining the thread. I hope you'll stick around and enter into the discussion whenever you like.Party Girl said:
Now, let's talk a bit about this idea of a perfect (or near-perfect) soul-mate, a Mr. or Ms. Right, if you don't mind. I have a hard time buying the idea for several reasons. The gist of my discomfort with the idea is that it tends to lead people into lives of desperation and disappointment when they can't seem to find their soul mate or when they discover that Mr. Right has a stubborn wrong streak in him.
My feeling is that nearly anyone might be an excellent match for anyone else if both are completely open to discovering and knowing the other deeply. More often what happens is people allow their biases and preferences to filter out any possibilities to get to know many others well enough.
Another difficulty with the concept of a soul mate is that too many people create preconceptions about what their "soul mate" will be like and then live a life of disappointment when no one ever fully matches that preconceived image. That's a terrible thing that people can do to themselves - all because they bought into the myth of pure romantic love with a single person they were destined to meet someday.
Instead, I'd rather see people exercise great openness in meeting and knowing others as they search for someone. Mr. Right need not drive a Harley and Ms. Right need not wear a size 6 below her blonde tresses.
Any thoughts?
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Don't make fun of my blonde tresses. *wink* I kid, I kid.midwestyankee said:
I agree - it would be easy to form an image of "the one" for you. And then pass up a chance with someone who could really make you happy. The part of Aristophanes' theory that appeals to me the most is that there IS someone (or let's be a little more vague, and say someTHING) that would be able to make you feel more complete ... I don't know how else to say it. But it doesn't quite capture what I'm trying to explain. *gets frustrated, falls to the ground, and shakes clenched fists at the sky while wailing* WHOA. Got dramatic there, for a second.
Anyway, I interpret that theory a little differently that most would, at face value.
Yes, I believe there's that other half for all of us. Mr. or Ms. Right.
BUT ... that's the hard part. Mr. or Ms. Right is not who we think it is. And that's the point - we as humans have to open our hearts enough to see into everyone else's. It's about connecting with other people, reviving the humanitarian in each of us. Which, of course ... leads to taking a second look at that guy with the beer belly when he smiles. Seeing someone's heart instead of your image of your soulmate.
WOW this sounds corny, and I'm blabbering now. Take the cheesiness away, and just tell me what you think, if you'd like to.
I'll be trying to stay. I like it here. You wrote an entire post without an indecent suggestion, a potty word, AND you sound very intelligent.
*grin*
I'm horrible.
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Party Girl said:
You're not horrible. No one who blatantly compliments my mind in public can ever be truly horrible. And that's a completely unbiased and rational judgment on my part.
I'm glad you responded. Now stick around to see what other trouble you can stir up here - that's where all the fun is, in the trouble.
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Hm. Unless you're in trouble for it. LoLmidwestyankee said:You're not horrible. No one who blatantly compliments my mind in public can ever be truly horrible. And that's a completely unbiased and rational judgment on my part.
I'm glad you responded. Now stick around to see what other trouble you can stir up here - that's where all the fun is, in the trouble.
Then consider yourself blatantly complimented - for your mind, your intelligence, and now I'll have to add humor and personality. Listen to me rhapsodize. Soon I'll be praising your eyebrows and the curve of your ankle.
Since I brought up philosophy, I wanted to ask: do you have any interest in it? It's one of my minors, and Cate will tell you how I get carried away with it, and start lecturing as though I'm teaching a class.
And if you are ... wanna start a philosophy thread? There's someone else Cate and I were talking with somewhere else - John Roberts, I think? He was interested, I believe.
Ever heard of Moses Maimonides? One of my favorite philosophers right now. He's brilliant. Can't get enough.
Let me look through some of my texts and coursework for all my philosophy classes ... I know I have more material on love and the soul, etc.
I have to agree with PG.... I like the idea of there being another "half" of me somewhere! I'm totally open to experimenting with most even just to see if it "might" be them...
Right now, I'd be happy with a bald biker dude to check out for a while... 
Right now, I'd be happy with a bald biker dude to check out for a while...
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Thanks, TantaLiza - I'm glad you liked my little lesson. LoL Kidding. And enjoy your biker. *grin*
Well, you guys, I'm leaving for the weekend ... gotta drive three and a half hours to get home, so I'm making a run for it.
I'll be back late Sunday night, or Monday?
Have a great weekend, and EVERYBODY, please take care.
Well, you guys, I'm leaving for the weekend ... gotta drive three and a half hours to get home, so I'm making a run for it.
I'll be back late Sunday night, or Monday?
Have a great weekend, and EVERYBODY, please take care.
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The "other" half?
Yes, I believe it's possible.
When I first saw her there, this woman I'd never met, it stirred my raw lust for sure. But in that timeless moment, when we made eye contact, both of us standing there, looking into one another's eyes, offering, taking glimpse beyond the surface, something clicked in me. And in her too, I was sure, as she later confided that evening.
Yes, I spent the night with her. We talked, sharing thought and feelings all through to daybreak and shared flesh as we fell asleep arm in arm. And yes, if some guy told me he slept with a woman on their first date night out my judgment would be "how shallow."
In fact, except for a few trips, we've been together since we first met 25 years ago. To this day I still feel like we're living that first date. We've had our challenges of course, times of disillusionment and uncertainty. Tough times. But we've learned, and grown and continue to nurture our love and are still great lovers.
I cherish our relationship as much as I cherish her soul. And yet, as I recently shared here, to this day, when I look into the depths of her eyes, I still am left fathoming the mystery of the person she will always be to me.
So yes, I believe it's possible there can be that "other" half. If it's true, I'm certain the universe has connected me with mine.
To your passion and your courage to follow your heart,
Sky
Yes, I believe it's possible.
When I first saw her there, this woman I'd never met, it stirred my raw lust for sure. But in that timeless moment, when we made eye contact, both of us standing there, looking into one another's eyes, offering, taking glimpse beyond the surface, something clicked in me. And in her too, I was sure, as she later confided that evening.
Yes, I spent the night with her. We talked, sharing thought and feelings all through to daybreak and shared flesh as we fell asleep arm in arm. And yes, if some guy told me he slept with a woman on their first date night out my judgment would be "how shallow."
In fact, except for a few trips, we've been together since we first met 25 years ago. To this day I still feel like we're living that first date. We've had our challenges of course, times of disillusionment and uncertainty. Tough times. But we've learned, and grown and continue to nurture our love and are still great lovers.
I cherish our relationship as much as I cherish her soul. And yet, as I recently shared here, to this day, when I look into the depths of her eyes, I still am left fathoming the mystery of the person she will always be to me.
So yes, I believe it's possible there can be that "other" half. If it's true, I'm certain the universe has connected me with mine.
To your passion and your courage to follow your heart,
Sky
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