David Axelrod warns barring Trump from 2024 ballot will 'tear the country apart'

[SugarDaddy1]

Barack Obama's former adviser David Axelrod admitted to "very, very strong reservations" about booting Donald Trump from the 2024 ballot.

Axelrod appeared on Erin Burnett OutFront on Friday to react to the news that Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows blocked Trump from the state's ballot because she alleged Trump violated the 14th Amendment through his actions on Jan. 6. According to the political adviser, this could lead to more division in the country.

“I have very, very strong reservations about all of this,” Axelrod said. “I do think it would rip the country apart if he were actually prevented from running because tens of millions of people want to vote for him.”

“What you thought might be kryptonite for him has turned out to be battery packs, and this is a big one for him,” Axelrod said. “I think if you’re going to beat Donald Trump, you’re going to probably have to do it at the polls.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/david-axelrod-barring-trump-tear-country-apart

 

[Bn2f]

The orange one has never won anything by the popular vote. He maybe, kinda won a temporary stay in 1 of the over 60 briefs filed to courts disputing the election. The constitution is clear, but if he is allowed to remain on the ballots, Axelrod will get his wish of seeing trump lose yet again by the popular vote. Republicans and trumpers need to pray for voter suppression and disenfranchisement on Kemp like levels. VP Harris cannot be counted on to certify false electors.

 

[ByteMe13]

The country is already ripped apart. If Trump wins, say goodbye to the Constitution and the rule of law.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The country is already ripped apart. If Trump wins, say goodbye to the Constitution and the rule of law.

And the reason we're here now is because the traitor activated and incited his incel followers to become even louder and bigger assholes.

 

[pocjet]

The orange one has never won anything by the popular vote.

Neither did Clinton in 1992 and 1996

 

[Bn2f]

Neither did Clinton in 1992 and 1996

Wrong

 

[cdstefi]

The GOP should have decided long ago to ditch Orange Hitler and his clown cart of wannabe impersonators and go back to real politicians who, even if one disagreed with their policies, could at least be respected for their conduct in office.

I'm not American so don't have skin in this game but my wife is, and she's always said that even as a lifelong Democrat voter, she'd at least thought most prior Republican presidents in her lifetime (so excluding Tricky Dicky and Reagan as she's only 38) were fundamentally decent humans who wanted the best for the country. As much as she didn't much like the Bushes or their policies, she still conceded that after 9/11, GW was "our president and spoke for the country and out of love for the country." Trump destroyed that notion for her and I'd guess many others. How anybody thinks he's in it for anything other than his own material gain, and right now just keeping himself out of jail, is beyond me.

The GOP will never find its way again until it can field decent specimens of humanity who can at least draw some respect from the other side.

 

[Bn2f]

This is must be a right wing talking point because I’m pretty certain that I discredited this once before.

 

[Bn2f]

Yep. I did earlier this year on the Fourth of July. Must’ve been one of your other alt’s and you forgot.

is it not true?

Nope. It’s not true. And I’m going from my fucking memory. I haven’t even looked it up. I’ll stick my reputation that Bill Clinton won the popular vote in 92 and 96.

 

[ByteMe13]

Neither did Clinton in 1992 and 1996

Since Ronald Reagan, Republicans have won the popular vote just twice. GHWB in 1988 and GWB in 2004.

 

[coati]

Revenge has become the ONLY plank of the GOP platform. Screw Axelrod, and don't back down against autocratic bullies.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Trump's whole motive is to divide the country. Have you ever listened to the moron talk?

 

[SugarDaddy1]

The idea that a Colorado court can brand anyone as an insurrectionary without due process of law or having been convicted of such a crime, is, as the Colorado Supreme Court dissenters noted, a legal absurdity. And therein lies the irony: All the arguments we've been hearing from Democrats and their corporate media cheerleaders about defending the nation from Trumpian authoritarianism is pure projection. Taking Trump off the ballot is itself an attempt to not just thwart democracy but to essentially set up an authoritarian model for elections in which the rulers decide who may run against them regardless of the will of the people.

Consider that Trump wasn't indicted by any of the various Democratic prosecutors seeking to imprison him for inciting the Capitol riot for the very good reason that, despite some irresponsible rhetoric, he had not met the legal criteria for doing so. The point of the insurrection clause in the amendment was not about protesting the results of a close election. It was to prevent those who had taken part in an armed rebellion against the government of the United States, which Trump clearly did not do, even if one accepts the dubious leap of partisan imagination needed to elevate the legal protest that turned into a riot on Jan. 6, 2021 into the moral equivalent of the Confederates firing on Fort Sumter.

But whether you love Trump or hate him, the idea that we don't need to try and convict him of a crime before applying a legal penalty is a complete contradiction of Western legal tradition. The only reason this is being attempted is that Democrats don't trust the American people to defeat Trump in a rematch with Biden.

The lesson here is clear: The more the Democrats show us that they believe that the American people aren't smart enough to make the right choice next November, the more certain will be their defeat.

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-...fend-democracy-it-subverts-it-opinion-1854302

 

[Fuzzy1975]

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-...fend-democracy-it-subverts-it-opinion-1854302

The flaw in this argument is that no one is using the 14th to convict Trump. Only to disqualify him. Which has nothing to due with "due process" or criminal conviction. That is the beauty ( IMHO) of how the 14 th amendment section on insurrection was written.

Ahhhh time to bump up your stupidity on the other,more important thread showing how Biden's made life so much better for 18%of the American public.

 

[Rick345]

Neither did Clinton in 1992 and 1996

What are you talking about Clinton won the popular vote in both 92 and 96

 

[YDB95]

What are you talking about Clinton won the popular vote in both 92 and 96

He's probably referring to the fact that Clinton did not win a majority of the popular vote either time. That much is true, although irrelevant. But he did come in first in the popular vote both times, by substantial margins.

As for the OP, there will always be namby-pamby Democrats who think we need to give in to the bullies "for the good of the country". We heard the same thing during the Florida recount in 2000, where the attitude was if Bush won, the Dems would lick their wounds and then get back to work, even if it turned out Gore did in fact win Florida (which is exactly what happened, incidentally). If Gore won, the Republicans would have spent the next four years tying the government in knots and making sure absolutely nothing got done, no matter how clear the evidence that they had lost fair and square.

Bottom line: If (God willing!) Trump loses, there will undoubtedly be a January 6-style mess in at least one and probably several places. There will be do-nothing Republicans in Congress who refuse to recognize Biden as the president and will do all they can to prevent any progress at all. There will be neo-Nazis and transphobes and garden-variety deplorables doing all they can to make everyone else's life as miserable as theirs is. But we cannot let that stop us from doing the right thing. If we do, that's just rewarding bullies, which is the last thing you should ever do.

 

[Rick345]

Bottom line: If (God willing!) Trump loses, there will undoubtedly be a January 6-style mess in at least one and probably several places.

I'll grant you that, but if he wins come 2028 will he go quietly in to the history or will he decide he needs a 3rd and 4th term.. Will he obey the Constitution or will he and his faithful decide to crown him king, Czar, or dictator or whatever?

 

[YDB95]

I'll grant you that, but if he wins come 2028 will he go quietly in to the history or will he decide he needs a 3rd and 4th term.. Will he obey the Constitution or will he and his faithful decide to crown him king, Czar, or dictator or whatever?

I cannot imagine he'd obey any law he didn't like. He never has before, after all.

 

[rainsol]

The country is already ripped apart. If Trump wins, say goodbye to the Constitution and the rule of law.

You must be dumb as a fucking rock. Tell that bullshit to the guys from the riot that were held without fucking bail for 2 years and the threats from that idiot Garland and his boss the one wearing diapers.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Two years for the Capital riot in 2021 is a slap on the wrist compared to what those traitors deserve.

And yes, LEAVING HIM ON the ballot will tear the country apart so maybe it's a damned if you do damned if you dont thing. I would agree that the best option is to invoke the 14th amendment and bar him from the ballot. The voters have already decided once and for all to expel him from the white house- and look how that turned out. He wouldn't go quietly but instead attemted to overturn the election and remain in power, and provoke violence.

Take him off the ballot and let him face the justice that is long overdue.

 

[Bray123]

The Constitution is like the Bible.
There are bits that MAGATs yell about (such as the right to carry lethal weapons to Walmart and hate people of a different sexuality/color) and there are bits they happily ignore (such as requiring the President to support the Constitution and treat others as they would like to be treated).

 

[YDB95]

that idiot Garland and his boss the one wearing diapers.

Okay, they've been harping on "Biden is senile" for years, but this is the first time I've seen anyone suggest he wears diapers...and it happened the same week rumors went public that Trump wears them. Project, project, project!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You must be dumb as a fucking rock.

Rocks must be pretty smart then compared to you.

Tell that bullshit to the guys from the riot that were held without fucking bail for 2 years and the threats from that idiot Garland and his boss the one wearing diapers.

They were, many people are, maybe go check out how many people are held without bond, or not given bond. It isn't the DOJ that decides that, it is the Judge.

 

[HisArpy]

...And yes, LEAVING HIM ON the ballot will tear the country apart so maybe it's a damned if you do damned if you dont thing....

Take him off the ballot and let him face the justice that is long overdue.

So, punishing him first then having the trial so you can convict him afterward is "justice"?

 

[Dunes_et_Soleil]

I don't know what it's like on the inside but from outside the US it really does look like the country is heading for some kind of civil war.

I hope I am wrong about this.