Cussing & Discussing Robert Heinlein's Works

[sensualpilgrim]

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I do not know the anatomy of beings in YOUR Universe, but here in mine, the tootsies of Homo Sapiens are not located anywhere near the butt!

LOL!!!

In my humble experience, I discovered that butt spankling tends to bring a warm flush to a female's body as a whole, including a flush to one's shapely cheeks. When I see your face get rosey with a smile playing at your lips, I know I'm doing a good job.

 

[kayte]

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I do not know the anatomy of beings in YOUR Universe, but here in mine, the tootsies of Homo Sapiens are not located anywhere near the butt!

LOL!!!

Nor in mine !!!!

 

[SlyFox]

Heinlein's Aphorisms

I've missed posting Heinlein's homilies for a couple of days due to a rather severe bout of stomach flu or something that's kept me in a state of near vegetation commuting only betweeen the bed and the bathroom ... But as Monty Python said, "I'm getting better"...

From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.

"Avoid making irrevocable decisions while tired or hungry. N.B.: Circumstances can force your hand. So think ahead!"

"Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark."

I think he should have added: "Especially if you happen to be in bed with someone else's wife..."

And elephant: A mouse built to government specifications."

"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded - here and there, now and then - are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into poverty.
This is known as 'bad luck.'"

"In a mature society, 'civil servant' is semantically equal to 'civil master'"

SlyFox

 

[SlyFox]

From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.

"When a place gets crowded enough to require ID's, social collapse is not far away. It is time to go elsewhere. The best thing about space travel is that it made it possible to go elsewhere."

"A woman is not property, and husbands who think otherwise are living in a dreamworld."

"The second best thing about space trvel is that the distances involved make war very difficult, usually impracticle, and almost always unnecessary. This is possibly a loss for most people, since war is our race's most popular diversion, one which gives purpose and color to dull and stupid lives. But it is a great boon to the intelligent man who fights only when he must - never for sport."

"A zygote is a gamete's way of producing more gametes. This may be the purpose of the universe."

SlyFox

 

[sensualpilgrim]

Cloning and Friday

Yesterday, our great and all-wise Congressmen in the House Upon the Swamp voted to ban cloning. In light of fact that everybody's favorite hottie spy messager Froday is enginnered woman from hundreds of DNAs, plus that there were a lot of clones in some stories Heinlein wrote, what are everybody's opinion on this ban?

Me? *YAWN* I decided to not get mad about it. Instead, I thought it was very funny exposure of how stupid and short-sighted people can be, especially when they are religiously motived and consumed with power. I mean i dosen't required that much money to clone anything, including human cells, nor the tools needed. As we learned more on how the cloning work, the more simple it proved to be since Dolly. There's a lot of bugs but that's normal, the trick is studying on how to find the flaws while a fetus is only few weeks old. It can be done in a kid's attic lab so the only way such a law can be enforced is a verison of drug war which mean they would needed spies, invasion of private property, dirty informers and so forth. Worst for the Congress' wise men, such biotech is simple enough to be very easily exported to places like China. I won't be surprised if China in few years proved to be much like the China of "I Will Fear No Evil" in which it was the ONLY country that support brain transplanting studies. Already there's talks of China putting a man in space this fall and in maybe a couple of years they might land a man (and maybe a woman?) on the moon. Also, considering the need for as much farmable food as possible, I won't be shocked if in 10 years, China already have the world's majority of biotech food.

In meanwhile USA suffers a brain drain and a loss of leadership to many other states all the while it struggled to hold on to IT jobs AND taxing the hell out of everybody (except for Europe which have even higher rates but also far greater number of tax resistance) AND going to war on just about everybody except for England and Israel and the nuclear club members..

Once again, I have to express my amazment at Heinlein's insights into our national mental mood and into other countries.

Any takers?

 

[SlyFox]

Re: Cloning and Friday

Yesterday, our great and all-wise Congressmen in the House Upon the Swamp voted to ban cloning. In light of fact that everybody's favorite hottie spy messager Froday is enginnered woman from hundreds of DNAs, plus that there were a lot of clones in some stories Heinlein wrote, what are everybody's opinion on this ban?

Me? *YAWN* I decided to not get mad about it. Instead, I thought it was very funny exposure of how stupid and short-sighted people can be, especially when they are religiously motived and consumed with power. Any takers?

I definitely agree with you Pilgrim. Haven't re-read "Friday" yet... Just finished "Time Enough..." and started I Will Fear No Evil (God! I had forgotten how much I enjoyed that book...). But don't forget Lazarus' "twins" Lapis Lazuli and Lorelei Lee - multiple clones...

I can't get too outraged at the stupid, short-sighted House of Representatives at anything they do. As I recall, they did the same thing last session and the bill was rejected in the Senate. I don't hold out much hope for that happening again since the "moral majority" has pretty much hijacked that body along with the present administration (read that as John Ashcroft, et al...)

But no matter what stupid and ridiculous laws they pass, they simply cannot put the genie back into the bottle and sooner or later common sense will prevail (my wife rightly accuses me constantly of being an "incurable optimist"). The potential medical benefits enherent in cloning embryos for stem cells is just too promising to be legislated out of existance - never mind "reproductive cloning" which is another whole ball game.

SlyFox

 

[sensualpilgrim]

Re: Re: Cloning and Friday

I definitely agree with you Pilgrim. Haven't re-read "Friday" yet... Just finished "Time Enough..." and started I Will Fear No Evil (God! I had forgotten how much I enjoyed that book...). But don't forget Lazarus' "twins" Lapis Lazuli and Lorelei Lee - multiple clones...

I can't get too outraged at the stupid, short-sighted House of Representatives at anything they do. As I recall, they did the same thing last session and the bill was rejected in the Senate. I don't hold out much hope for that happening again since the "moral majority" has pretty much hijacked that body along with the present administration (read that as John Ashcroft, et al...)

But no matter what stupid and ridiculous laws they pass, they simply cannot put the genie back into the bottle and sooner or later common sense will prevail (my wife rightly accuses me constantly of being an "incurable optimist"). The potential medical benefits enherent in cloning embryos for stem cells is just too promising to be legislated out of existance - never mind "reproductive cloning" which is another whole ball game.

SlyFox

And don't forget immortality. It's possible that cloning might show which genes is needed to reverse the age disease and to prolong our lives. I think it would be cool if tommorrow's grandma look the same age as her 16 year old great-great granddaughter. This kind of world will force people to start measuring each other on mental age rather than that silly biological age in which a drunk loser of 80 is called an adult while a serious and ambitious boy of 15 who can pay his rent every month is called a child. of course it would be a nightmare for both GOP and Democracts because those old timers will no longer feeling the need to be afraid. Good bye national security and social security!

 

[SlyFox]

Heinlein's Aphorisms

From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.

"There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who "love Nature" while deploring the "artificialities" with which "Man has spoiled "Nature" - but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purposes of men) the "Naturist" reveals his hatred for his own race - i.e. his own self-hatred.

In the case of "Naturists" such self-hatred is understandable; they are such a sorry lot. But hatred is too strong an emotion to feel toward them; pity and contempt are the most they rate.

As for me, willy-nilly I am a man, not a beaver, and H. sapiens is the only race I have or can have. Fortunately for me, I like being part of a race made up of men and women - it strikes me as a fine arrangement and perfectly "natural."

Believe it or not, there were "Naturists" who opposed the first flight to old Earth's Moon as being "unnatural" and a "despoinling of Nature."
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"No man is an island - " Much as we may feel and act as individuals, our race is a single organism, always growing and branching - which must be pruned regularlly to be healthy. This necessity need not be argued; anyone with eyes can see that any organism which grows without limit always dies in its own poisons. The only rational question is whether pruning is best done before or after birth.

Being an incurable sentimentalist I favor the formet of these methods - killing makes me quesy, even when it's a case of "He's dead and I'm alive and that's the way I wanted it to be."

But this may be a matter of taste. Some shamans think that it is better to be killed in a war, or to die in childbirth, or to starve in misery, than never to have lived at all. They may be right.

But I don't have to like it - and I don't."

SlyFox

 

[SlyFox]

Heinlein's Aphorisms

From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.

"Democracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. How's that again? I missed something."

"Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let's play that one over again, too. Who decides?"

"Any government will work if authority and responsibility are equal and coordinate. This does not insure "good" government; it simply insures that it will work. But such governments are rare - most people want to run things but want no part of the blame. This used to be called the "backseat-driver syndrome."

"What are the facts? Again and again and again - what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what "the stars fortell," avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable "verdict of history" - what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get facts!"

"Stupidy cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity."

I would argue that "being different" is just as likely to qualify as a "universal capital crime" and just as surely will get you killed."

SlyFox

 

[SlyFox]

RAH's views on homosexuality

Someone asked in a previous post what Heinlein's views were on homosexuality? As I mentioned earlier, I'm re-reading "I Will Fear No Evil". In this book, Heinlein discusses both male and female homosexuality and bi-sexuality - and rather sympathetically as well. He writes on page 222, "Young people today...claim to have six sexes... They label these so-called sexes both by behavior and physiology, with a new school of psychology... to account for them. The six are ortho-male and ortho female..." (by which I assume he means completely heterosexual)... "ambi-male and ambi-female" (bi-sexual???)... "homo-male and homo-female" - (gay and lesbian?)

Later on, (page 236) he talks about two minor but sympathetic characters as ..."Your two charming wolves - and they are charming - are as gay as Julius Ceasar"... and "I said 'As gay as Julius Caesar,' dear - not Govenor Arkham"...

Joan Eunice (the protagonist) replies, "Oh, Ambi gay, you mean."

And the beautiful, sensuous and sexual "Joan Eunice" definitely has the hots for her equally beautiful and randy "nurse/lady's maid." And since the "Johann" part of her new personna is male and the "Eunice" part is female, "Joan Eunice" has the best of both worlds - and although "Johann" does have some difficulty relating comfortably to males sexually and romantically due to his many, many years as a "straight" male, he does eventually reconcile his "discomfort"...

SlyFox

 

[KHAN-E]

Re: Heinlein's Aphorisms

From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.


"Stupidy cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity."

I would argue that "being different" is just as likely to qualify as a "universal capital crime" and just as surely will get you killed."

SlyFox

Being different will not get you killed in every culture. Some actually celebrate the diversity of individuals (and I DON'T mean in the Politically Correct practice of "Tollerence"!).

Stupidity will get you killed in any and all cultures. In some, it just takes a longer time for that sentence to be executed, as governments or individuals try to "protect" the stupid. But, eventually, stupidity will lead to the (usually self-inflected) execution of the stupid.

 

[KHAN-E]

Re: RAH's views on homosexuality

Someone asked in a previous post what Heinlein's views were on homosexuality? As I mentioned earlier, I'm re-reading "I Will Fear No Evil". In this book, Heinlein discusses both male and female homosexuality and bi-sexuality - and rather sympathetically as well. He writes on page 222, "Young people today...claim to have six sexes... They label these so-called sexes both by behavior and physiology, with a new school of psychology... to account for them. The six are ortho-male and ortho female..." (by which I assume he means completely heterosexual)... "ambi-male and ambi-female" (bi-sexual???)... "homo-male and homo-female" - (gay and lesbian?)


SlyFox

Your understanding of the six sexes is correct, I believe. Some Psychologists of our day have begun a similar classification of sexes. Some of them have added two more: Trans-Sex Male-to-Female and Trans-Sex Female-to-Male.

 

[sensualpilgrim]

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Being different will not get you killed in every culture. Some actually celebrate the diversity of individuals (and I DON'T mean in the Politically Correct practice of "Tollerence"!).

Stupidity will get you killed in any and all cultures. In some, it just takes a longer time for that sentence to be executed, as governments or individuals try to "protect" the stupid. But, eventually, stupidity will lead to the (usually self-inflected) execution of the stupid.

I agree with Connie on this. I think Heinlein was talking about "natural selection" of evolution in that dumb people tends to die much faster than smart and adaptable people. A perfect case in point: two men lived next to each other. One man was trainned in use of his gun for self-defense, other is rabid gun control who feared any gun as "evil". One night, two robbers with theivery and murder on mind came in middle of night. Each robber broke into his victim's house. The gun owner woke and shot his trepasser dead. The gun control guy woke up and lose his head and call 911 and kept getting busy sounds while the robber kill him. Stupid do die quicker!

 

[sensualpilgrim]

Happy Birthday Captain Kangaroo!

Some people have been a bit offended that actor Lee

Marvin is buried in a grave alongside 3 and 4 star

generals at Arlington National Cemetery. His

marker gives his name, rank (PVT) and service (USMC).

Nothing else. Here's a guy who was only another

celebrity served his time like a million others, why

the heck does he rate burial with these guys? Well,

here's the amazing answer.



I always liked Lee Marvin, but did not know the extent

of his Corps experiences. In a time when many

Hollywood stars served their country in the

armed forces, often in rear-echelon posts where they

were carefully protected, only to be trotted out to

perform for the cameras in war bond promotions, Lee

Marvin was a genuine hero. He won the Navy Cross at

Iwo Jima! There is only one higher Naval award. The

Medal Of Honor. If that is a surprising comment on the

true character of the man, he credits his sergeant

with an even greater show of bravery.



Dialog From The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson with

Guest Star Lee Marvin.



Johnny: "Lee, I'll bet a lot of people are unaware

that you were a Marine in the initial landing at Iwo

Jima, and that during the course of that action you

earned the Navy Cross and were severely wounded."



Lee: "Yeah, yeah... I got shot square in the butt and

they gave me the Cross for securing a hot spot about

halfway up Suribachi. Bad thing about getting

shot up on a mountain is guys gettin' shot hauling you

down. Johnny, at Iwo I served under the bravest man I

ever knew. We both got the Cross the same day, but

what he did for his Cross made mine look cheap by

comparison.



"The dumb guy actually stood up on Red beach and

directed his troops to move forward and get off that

beach. That Sergeant and I have been lifelong friends.



"When they brought me off Suribachi we passed the

Sergeant and he lit a smoke and passed it to me lying

on my belly on the litter and said, 'Where'd they get

you Lee?' And I said: "Well Bob... if you make it home

before me, tell Mom to sell the outhouse!"



"Johnny, I'm not lying... Sergeant Keeshan was the

bravest man I ever knew..... Bob Keeshan. You and the

world know him as Captain Kangaroo."

 

[SadnonMage]

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I agree with Connie on this. I think Heinlein was talking about "natural selection" of evolution in that dumb people tends to die much faster than smart and adaptable people. A perfect case in point: two men lived next to each other. One man was trainned in use of his gun for self-defense, other is rabid gun control who feared any gun as "evil". One night, two robbers with theivery and murder on mind came in middle of night. Each robber broke into his victim's house. The gun owner woke and shot his trepasser dead. The gun control guy woke up and lose his head and call 911 and kept getting busy sounds while the robber kill him. Stupid do die quicker!

It is also known as "survival of the fittest"
Not neccesarily the strongest are the fittest, sometimes it is the guy with a little more gray matter upstairs.

SM

 

[KHAN-E]

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It is also known as "survival of the fittest"
Not neccesarily the strongest are the fittest, sometimes it is the guy with a little more gray matter upstairs.

SM

I had some grey matter upstairs, but I ran the vacuum cleaner and got rid of it.

 

[kayte]

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I had some grey matter upstairs, but I ran the vacuum cleaner and got rid of it.

LOL !!!

 

[flare587]

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[sensualpilgrim]

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I had some grey matter upstairs, but I ran the vacuum cleaner and got rid of it.

My grey matter unionized and demanded overtime pay for all the work they do!

 

[SlyFox]

Re: Happy Birthday Captain Kangaroo!

Some people have been a bit offended that actor Lee
Marvin is buried in a grave alongside 3 and 4 star
generals at Arlington National Cemetery. His
marker gives his name, rank (PVT) and service (USMC).
Nothing else. Here's a guy who was only another
celebrity served his time like a million others, why
the heck does he rate burial with these guys? Well,
here's the amazing answer:

Lee Marvin was a genuine hero. He won the Navy Cross at
Iwo Jima! There is only one higher Naval award. The Medal Of Honor....

... "Johnny, I'm not lying... Sergeant Keeshan was the
bravest man I ever knew..... Bob Keeshan. You and the
world know him as Captain Kangaroo."

Thank you Pilgrim for that information. I, too, always admired Lee Marvin and did not know about his Navy Cross or that he is buried in Arlington. And I did not know that about "Captain Kangaroo" either. Kudos to you my friend, for an excellent and informative post.

There are also those who objected to Bobby Kennedy being buried next to his brother at Arlington, arguing that Bobby never served in the U.S. Armed Forces. But, in my book, Bobby was every bit as much a national "hero" as many other less worthy people interred at that hallowed site. And, as a wartime veteran myself, I feel very strongly that I've earned that opinion. As I understand it, any person who had served honorably in the Armed Forces is eligible for the honor of being interred at Arlington or any of the other Veteran's National Cemetaries. They don't have to be a "3 or 4 star general" or have been awarded any medals at all...

SlyFox

 

[SlyFox]

Re: Re: Heinlein's Aphorisms

Being different will not get you killed in every culture. Some actually celebrate the diversity of individuals (and I DON'T mean in the Politically Correct practice of "Tollerence"!).

Stupidity will get you killed in any and all cultures. In some, it just takes a longer time for that sentence to be executed, as governments or individuals try to "protect" the stupid. But, eventually, stupidity will lead to the (usually self-inflected) execution of the stupid.

Kahn-e I agree with you on that as well. I do understand that "natural selection" was what Heinlein was talking about and was actually being just a bit facitious and trying to stir up some responses... Looks like I definitely succeded in that at least...

SlyFox

 

[SlyFox]

Today's Heinlein's Aphorisms

From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.

"God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these devine attributes simulatniously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills."

"Courage is the compliment of fear. A man who is fearless cannot be courageous. (He is also a fool.)"

"The two highest achievments of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty." Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute - get out of there fast! You may possibly save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed."

"People who go broke in a big way never miss any meals. It is the poor jerk who is shy a half slug who must tighten his belt."

"The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice versa."

"Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house."

Hmmm... So that's why my house is always such a mess. Mathematics was never my forte...

SlyFox

 

[SlyFox]

Re: Re: Heinlein's Aphorisms

Stupidity will get you killed in any and all cultures. In some, it just takes a longer time for that sentence to be executed, as governments or individuals try to "protect" the stupid. But, eventually, stupidity will lead to the (usually self-inflected) execution of the stupid.

Heinlein also wrote: "Never underestimate the power of human stupidy."

SlyFox

 

[KHAN-E]

Re: Today's Heinlein's Aphorisms

From “Time Enough For Love” by Robert A. Heinlein © 1973 All rights reserved.


"The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice versa."

"Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house."

SlyFox [/B]

The first quote describes many (most?) of the posts on Lit. At least mine!

The second quote is an INSULT! I know when I have been insulted!! You owe me an apology Sly!

Oh, it was Robert Heinlein who wrote such a nasty thing?! Then Heinlein owes me an apology!!

Oh, he's dead?

Well it serves him right for insulting me!!!

BIG LOL!!!

 

[SlyFox]

Re: Re: Today's Heinlein's Aphorisms

The first quote describes many (most?) of the posts on Lit. At least mine!

The second quote is an INSULT! I know when I have been insulted!! You owe me an apology Sly!

Oh, it was Robert Heinlein who wrote such a nasty thing?! Then Heinlein owes me an apology!!

Oh, he's dead?

Well it serves him right for insulting me!!!

BIG LOL!!!

And a big LOL from me... Kahn-e I would never insult you... And I doubt that RAH would either if he had gotten to know you - He might want to do some "other" things to you - but insult you? Never!!!