Could a human do hand-to-hand combat against a grizzly bear?

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

A friend of mine, who was a heavyweight college wrestler, wrestled a muzzled black bear for a charity event. He would assure you that a human would not stand a chance against a black bear much less a Grizzly

A friend of mine, a scrawny Irish drunk of a bartender wrestled the bear at the boat show and kicked his ass by jumping on his back and choking him out...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I can't see it even being remotely possible. Of course I could be wrong, but their necks are so muscular that I doubt you'd be able to compromise either airway or circulation so it would even notice, let alone hang on long enough to knock it out.

The founder of Kyokshinkai Karate, Mas Oyama, is said to have killed a charging bull with a punch. If that's true, he might have been able to slightly inconvenience a griz before it tore him to pieces.

Complete fabrication - dying bull at the slaughter house...

Mas Oyama was a showman and self-inventor of his own mythologies. He was also Korean...

 

[kbate]

So he gets in the ring and starts dancing around with the animal who the trainer has on the leash. Just as the bear is leaning his massive bulk on the comparatively-not-so-Big Mike, Mike instantly pivots 180 degrees and places his hip squarely in the bear's mid-section. Extending his right leg out in front of the bear's right hind quarter just below the knee, Mike keeps pulling the bear forwarded (which was the direction he was headed anyway). But the bear can't walk forward to regain his balance because of Mike's braced right leg.

Now complete the move while accounting for teeth, claws and a 30 mile per hour charge speed and a 700 pound bear and some rage. (and the fact that bears do not fight standing on two legs unless they are on a leash).

Suddenly, you cannot use braced legs, and a hip toss - because the bear's weight is 95% below your hip level.

But the advantage is that if a camera is rolling you get to die in a neat pose.

 

[trysail]

Bears: 86
Humans: 0


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America

 

[torchthebitch]

OFFS. Of course a human can engage in unarmed combat with a grizzly.

But it would be a very short fight and the bear would win.

A bear killed two militants after discovering them in its den in Indian-administered Kashmir, police say.

Two other militants escaped, one of them badly wounded, after the attack in Kulgam district, south of Srinagar.

The militants had assault rifles but were taken by surprise - police found the remains of pudding they had made to eat when the bear attacked.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8339549.stm

 

[Mrtenant]

maybe a little bear? though where's the bragging rights in that?.....I kicked a baby bears ass?....lol....stupid

 

[stephen55]

Mike, polar bears, ursus maritimus, are the largest of the bears, in fact the largest terrestrial predator of all.

Brown bears are one of two subspecies of ursus arctos, the other of which is the grizzly.

I read somewhere that if you dug a very large pit and tossed in a prime example of all of the large and powerful animals (lion, tiger, Cape Buffalo, grizzly bear etc.) that the only one that would crawl out would be the polar bear. There is simply no animal on earth that can take one down (armed humans being the exception).

Males can be up to 1500 lbs. (I've heard of one report of a 1650 lb polar bear.) And they aren't afraid of anything...including nuclear submarines.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Polar_bears_near_north_pole.jpg/800px-Polar_bears_near_north_pole.jpg

 

[kbate]

maybe a little bear? though where's the bragging rights in that?.....I kicked a baby bears ass?....lol....stupid

I have seen a young (probably 6 month old) black bear cub go from eating quietly, to 40 feet up a hemlock tree in less than 2 seconds.

That cute little ball of fur - is far stronger and faster than any man.

 

[kbate]

I read somewhere that if you dug a very large pit and tossed in a prime example of all of the large and powerful animals (lion, tiger, Cape Buffalo, grizzly bear etc.) that the only one that would crawl out would be the polar bear. There is simply no animal on earth that can take one down (armed humans being the exception).

Males can be up to 1500 lbs. (I've heard of one report of a 1650 lb polar bear.) And they aren't afraid of anything...including nuclear submarines.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Polar_bears_near_north_pole.jpg/800px-Polar_bears_near_north_pole.jpg

If you toss in an elephant - it wins easily against any land animal (and often has won against even humans armed with firearms). The Polar bear or Kodiak Brown would be disassembled, and trampled into red dust if pitted against an elephant.

 

[Sonny Limatina]

Now complete the move while accounting for teeth, claws and a 30 mile per hour charge speed and a 700 pound bear and some rage. (and the fact that bears do not fight standing on two legs unless they are on a leash).

Suddenly, you cannot use braced legs, and a hip toss - because the bear's weight is 95% below your hip level.

But the advantage is that if a camera is rolling you get to die in a neat pose.

"You must never listen to ziss recording."

 

[trysail]

"You must never listen to ziss recording."

A statement by Werner Herzog, methinks.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Pookie once said she beat a cougar in hand to hand combat. Bet she could go up against a grizzly bear.

Anyone want to see it happen?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I read somewhere that if you dug a very large pit and tossed in a prime example of all of the large and powerful animals (lion, tiger, Cape Buffalo, grizzly bear etc.) that the only one that would crawl out would be the polar bear. There is simply no animal on earth that can take one down (armed humans being the exception).

Males can be up to 1500 lbs. (I've heard of one report of a 1650 lb polar bear.) And they aren't afraid of anything...including nuclear submarines.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Polar_bears_near_north_pole.jpg/800px-Polar_bears_near_north_pole.jpg

I'll be gentle Mz Seal...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I have seen a young (probably 6 month old) black bear cub go from eating quietly, to 40 feet up a hemlock tree in less than 2 seconds.

That cute little ball of fur - is far stronger and faster than any man.

But was still scared shitless by the sight of you and the pack...

 

[thør]

A grizz has been eating a friend's chickens. I believe there are small children in the 'hood. Time to keep the shotgun by the door loaded with 12 ga. 3" Mag Brenneke Black Magic Slugs.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Now complete the move while accounting for teeth, claws and a 30 mile per hour charge speed and a 700 pound bear and some rage. (and the fact that bears do not fight standing on two legs unless they are on a leash).

Suddenly, you cannot use braced legs, and a hip toss - because the bear's weight is 95% below your hip level.

But the advantage is that if a camera is rolling you get to die in a neat pose.

I thought I said that. The bear WAS on a leash, and it wasn't really a hip throw. It's called tai o toshi. See it here, noting the position of the thrower's right knee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlRJ6srj3ak&feature=related.

If your point is that none of this would be applicable to a real bear in the wild, then.....hell, NO! Of course, not. I'm not that stupid.

It was just a funny story that, had it actually happened as I believe it did, I would have given anything to see.

 

[hobbit.]

Could a human being, especially an expert martial artist do hand-to-hand combat against an animal as large and powerful as a grizzly bear? What if they had some sort of bladed weapon like a sword or a spear?

What if the Grizzly had access to long range artillery?

 

[thør]

What if the Grizzly had access to long range artillery?

You've brought relevance back to this thread.

 

[CarlusMagnus]

Could a human being, especially an expert martial artist do hand-to-hand combat against an animal as large and powerful as a grizzly bear? What if they had some sort of bladed weapon like a sword or a spear?

The Mountain Men of the early 19th Century weren't especially well-known for their truthfulness, but it's fairly well attested that Hugh Glass survived what was very nearly such an encounter. See "Give Your Heart to the Hawks," by Winfred Blevins.

 

[hobbit.]

You've brought relevance back to this thread.

Especially if the bear had satellite guidance a decent field spotter or a GPS system..

 

[thør]

Especially if the bear had satellite guidance a decent field spotter or a GPS system..

And fricking laser beams!

 

[eyer]

Other examples of sweeping blows that are actually somewhat applicable to the comment you made, as opposed to your example of a car accident:

Baseball bat
Battle axe
Crescent kick

etc.

When you swing a baseball bat (regardless if you choose to describe that motion as "sweeping" or brutal or anxious or whatever) and "swipe" the ball, most probably it will result in a foul tip, a pop up, or an easy-out grounder...

...more serious damage - a line-drive base hit, a home run - will not be done.

The reason being physics, as I pointed out above: a "swipe" by anything - bat, axe, kick, crash, brush, punch, bear paw - naturally results in less contact made by any of those examples.

If I take a "swipe" at you, it is understood - figuratively and literally - that that achieves much, much less effect than achieving a direct hit...

...because not enough contact to do "direct hit" damage was made.

Besides, it seems to me a bear's motion with its arms is much more akin to concentrated swatting than your insistence of some sweeping swipe...

...if a bear engages in what you prefer to term "a sweeping motion", the damage that motion will do to me depends on whether s/he just swiped me or actually made meaningful contact.

...ask a fly which it would better prefer.

And in that vein...

...which would you prefer:

To be swiped by a bear's clawless paw...

To be swiped by a bear's claws...

Or to be directly impacted by a bear's clawed paw?

Rate them in order of probable damage done...

 

[semen4her]

What a fucking maroon!

 

[Sonny Limatina]

What a fucking maroon!

Cut him some slack. He grew up among the famous "punching bears" of Indiana.

 

[thør]

someone burnt the toast......