Legalizing and Normalizing Sex Work - A Net Positive or Negative for Society?

[LMWM321]

AI may ultimately spell the end of Porn, but paid sex with a real human? No... I don't see it posing much of a threat to paid sex work.

 

[razor33a]

Ya actual sex robots are a ways away but if there was a usb attachment device that could get preprogrammed actions from the selected AI model that would work for most people, especially married folks who may risk problems seeing a live sex worker. They could bundle a device with "x" months of service with a certain AI model, like how they do porn star rubber masturbator sleeves only this time with motion. As for safety, people are letting computers drive their car, I'm sure a lot of guys will stick their dick in something run by a robot with no questions asked.

Think of the ER trip: "Well wanda deep sucker crashed on the intake and I'm kinda stuck. Can you reset it for me?"

 

[TheGxForum]

Mail Order Brides are legitimate sex work fully condoned by government and parts of society.

Marrying for Citizenship is a transaction.

Saint Anne says Butters was a mail order bride from kazakstan for example.

And I’ve flown women in for sexitimes many times.

Nothing wrong with that!

Its time to decrim and destig sex work.

Ah...bless those mail order brides God bless 'em

 

[AnomalyLady]

Ah...bless those mail order brides God bless 'em

What do you think about decriminalizing sex work?

 

[TheGxForum]

The reason marriages fall apart isnt because of sex. No sex is a symptom of a MUCH bigger problem. Men and women want different things from relationships.

No one is entitled to sex by the way. You wont die without it. Is it important? Of course. I speak as someone with a very high sex drive- higher than all my partners. Yet, Ive never once thought my partner was "with holding" or "punishing me because I see them as full humans with thoughts and feelings. I also dont desire to have sex with someone who doesnt want it. The reason women dont want sex is largely because a lot of husbands dont partipate as adults in a relationship. You dont get sex anymore just because you have a big boy job. Relationships require trust and intimacy outside of sex. A lot of men are stuck in 1950 where theres this transactional relationship that allows men to do what they want and come home to a mommy bang maid. I wonder why women wouldnt want to sleep with someone who treats them as a sex doll.

Really, its a much larger societal shift. Men who dont want to grow are being left behind. Women arent witholding anything. We are humans who dont want to have sex with men who put zero effort in. You can yell angry feminist all you want, but the fact of the matter is men arent taught emotional intelligence or how to deal with their feelings beyond punching holes in walls or throwing tantrums. Again, if a woman doesnt have to put up with that why would we?

I feel sorry for men who think so transactionally. It must be hard to be stuck with so few emotions thinking life is your job and you will die without getting laid. Theres so much outside of that that makes sex awesome(even if its not with just one person.)

Sex work wont help anyone. It also puts an unfair onus on women as if men are only unhappy because women wont spread their legs for them. It also puts sex workers at the hands of violent men which is also not ok.

I think its really kind of weird that you think sex on demand will make unicorns and puppies. Empty people dont get filled up that way. The sex thing is a convienent way to blame someone else for your own unhappiness and unwilling ness to be a likeable person and a good partner.

If you really feel you will die withoutnsex on demand and your wife is a harpy holding it over your head, why the hell are you married? You clearly neither like nor respect her. Divorce is an excellent thing then. You can fuck who you want then. The reason men like you dont is you want free housework, the status being married brings and deep down you know it wouldnt be any easier or any more sex on your own.

My point is its no one elses fault you are this unhappy. Even if you had sex 24/7 you are missing connection which of course sex can bring, but not with men who think its the only thing. One day soon your dick wont work. Do you just kill yourself then?

If you are unhappy in a relationship move on. Let the other person go and find fullfillment with someone who sees them as a human and not a scapegoat mommy bangmaid.

I mean none of this unkindly. This thread however is unkind. Women arent the source of your unhappiness. You arent owed or entitled to sex. Sex workers will not give you the human connection you need anymore than treating your partner like an inconvient appliance that broke down. Women arent lonely because we have community and friends. Sex isnt the hard part for anyone. Connection is. You cant be connected if you see your partner as a fleshlight or in a zero sum game.

I'll have to disagree with you about the 24/7 sex part I'm willing to try it at least before disparaging it...

 

[TheGxForum]

Moribundromantic,

You've contributed to this thread by writing a long and thoughtful reply. Thank you! That said, I'm not sure at whom you are directing your ire. The embedded quote is from me but I think you may be responding to Lifestyle66. Please clarify.

Your comment that you don't need sex to live is jarring to me. Yes, you are technically correct, but the same can be said of laughter. Sure, you can live without laughter but is that a full life? Well, many people feel the same about sex. Furthermore, there are researchers who believe regular sex - even casual sex - may help people live healthier and longer. If so, is it fair then that only those who are lucky in love get to benefit from sex?

To be clear - I wholeheartedly agree that the best sex is shared between loving partners and should always be offered and received willingly rather than demanded (bangmaid!?? Yuck!). Personally, I'm very blessed to have a partner of >35yrs. We have sex 2-3 times/wk and it is almost always initiated by my wife. I've never demanded or pressured her for it.

But not everyone is so lucky. What about all the lonely people who are persistently without a partner? Or whose partner is no longer interested in sex? Yes, to your point, some (maybe many!) of those partners lost interest b/c their husband is horrible, but that's not always true. And it is NOT always the husband who is complaining about the lack of sex. Indeed, there are many posts here on Lit from women who are in a loving but sexless marriage. And what about those with physical disabilities whose challenges make finding a romantic partner even more difficult? Shouldn't they nonetheless be able to enjoy occasional physical intimacy? If you ask them I'll bet many would say that paid sex with a real person - who is kind and patient with their unique challenges - is far preferable to sex with a fleshlight or involuntary celibacy.

As for sex workers - female or male - being victimized... Well that is precisely why I feel it should be legalized and regulated. In my OP I suppose a future where Sex Workers have all the respect and protections that any other kind of therapist has. And anyone who assaults a sex worker would be treated precisely the same as someone who assaulted their Doctor, Physical Therapist or Massage Therapist.

Anyway... Thanks and please continue the conversation.

Sex should be a human right like in Iceland or Denmark where sex workers are allowed conjugal visits with prisoners...not allowing prisoners consensual sex or anyone consensual sex is just cruel and unusual punishment

 

[TheGxForum]

Agree w/ JD... But few have commented on the larger question.. Which is...

Would legalizing sex work be a net positive for society? ..Would giving those who are unable to find an intimacy partner, or whose partner no longer desires intimacy, a respectable and legal way of getting it be good for America (or elsewhere)? ..Or would it just be another vice - like alcohol, gambling, marijuana, etc.. - that can deplete bank accounts and damage relationships?

Ok then definately NET POSITIVE just like the anything else that been decriminilized including everything you've mentioned above as well as all the affordable drugs readily available at your local supermarket/pharmacy the bottom line is that police culture and prohibition has never solved or provided a net positive anywhere in the world in anytime in world history...

 

[TheGxForum]

To sum up the net positives are saving all our tax dollars and government resources from going to waste and by saving all those poor people from having to have to weight of a cops knee on their necks to wit government persecution from traumatizing/scarring them...

 

[TheGxForum]

Kind of? The thing about massages is that they don’t seem to have the same addictive qualities as sex.

I want to agree with you, but I think I’ve seen a lot of futures get burned by addiction to video games, gambling, alcohol, and marijuana use. I see no reason why prostitutes wouldn’t further increase the number of people who fuck up their lives by being addicted to prostitution use.

Risk/Reward as with anything in life...but nobody perfect people get addicted to prescription drugs for example doesn't mean they shouldn't be made readily available to all even the whole oxycodone settlement proves it's always NET POSITIVE to allow things not prohibit them...

 

[TheGxForum]

What do you think about decriminalizing sex work?

Oh I definitely support decriminalizing it I support decriminializing everything but especially support it for sex work

 

[Jacques_Corbin]

Ya actual sex robots are a ways away but if there was a usb attachment device that could get preprogrammed actions from the selected AI model that would work for most people, especially married folks who may risk problems seeing a live sex worker. They could bundle a device with "x" months of service with a certain AI model, like how they do porn star rubber masturbator sleeves only this time with motion. As for safety, people are letting computers drive their car, I'm sure a lot of guys will stick their dick in something run by a robot with no questions asked.

Think of the ER trip: "Well wanda deep sucker crashed on the intake and I'm kinda stuck. Can you reset it for me?"

It won't be an ER Trip unless there is actual injury. In larger cities there will be licensed and bonded repair technicians for the machinery, who will sign NDAs.

 

[AprilTwenties]

Thankfully, boo, nobody will take away that human to human experience of fucking. AI and all that crap? Pretty rubbish. Thankfully, real sex with real clients will never go out of favour.

Human nature.

A x

 

[LMWM321]

Thankfully, boo, nobody will take away that human to human experience of fucking. AI and all that crap? Pretty rubbish. Thankfully, real sex with real clients will never go out of favour.

Human nature.

A x

Indeed....

It will only make people even more determined to be with another, live human... ..It will only accentuate the itch, not scratch it...

 

[AprilTwenties]

Indeed....

It will only make people even more determined to be with another, live human... ..It will only accentuate the itch, not scratch it...

Thankfully. I have bills to pay, y'know, boo?

This is my life.

A x

 

[LMWM321]

Thankfully. I have bills to pay, y'know, boo?

This is my life.

A x

Hi AT! ..I hope you're well.

Another Q for you, if you don't mind.

How much do you rely on repeats and referrals and do you find it helps in avoiding creeps and keeping you safe? I would imagine that if you're been doing SW for a while you can get to a point where you don't have to take a chance with a new John, who may prove to be a violent asshole.

If SW were to become legal, could a referral system help to keep you safe?

If legalized, presumably the police would arrest patrons who rape, beat or steal from a SW. But there are many lesser offenses that would still be horrible that would be harder to enforce - ie., a guy sticking a finger in your ass after you've told him not to, or cumming in your mouth without asking and paying for privilege, etc.. Could a referral system be implemented to help reduce such offenses?

 

[AprilTwenties]

Hi AT! ..I hope you're well.

Another Q for you, if you don't mind.

How much do you rely on repeats and referrals and do you find it helps in avoiding creeps and keeping you safe? I would imagine that if you're been doing SW for a while you can get to a point where you don't have to take a chance with a new John, who may prove to be a violent asshole.

If SW were to become legal, could a referral system help to keep you safe?

If legalized, presumably the police would arrest patrons who rape, beat or steal from a SW. But there are many lesser offenses that would still be horrible that would be harder to enforce - ie., a guy sticking a finger in your ass after you've told him not too, or cumming in your mouth without asking and paying for privilege, etc.. Could a referral system be implemented to help reduce such offenses?

Hey Boo!

So, repeats are everything, ok? That's your everyday quota and everything. Over time - 14 or so years in my case - you build up relationships that are more than "..I want to stick this in you" (which is fine, BTW) to a "..how's the cat?" kinda deal. Which is nice. Repeats also mean that you are giving good service, which is good for the working girl's ego.

Me? I work the streets. My madame, and owner (by my choice, don't forget) has a big rep in the area. She herself streetwalks and so any bad attitude or abuse to myself or my fellow sisters that work for her, that doesn't go unpunished, y'know?

As stated in one of my 'stories', an' it is true, in the brothel one punter was abusive to one of the girls, got kicked out. He damaged the girls' car. The Madame knew who did it, and his car reg and where he lived, and a group of us went to his house, after work (naturally!) and bricked his windows...then did the same to his car.

When his wife came out, amid all the shattered glass, boo, the Madame told her what he's done.

No charges pressed...and their marriage didn't last long!

That rep goes around...nobody causes shit to us.

The brothel is by 'invite only' so all details are kept and appointments made. On the streets, you get picked up - obviously - when you get picked up.

For us, this system works. But, legalising would help those less unfortunate than us.

Hope that all makes sens, boo.

A x

 

[LMWM321]

When his wife came out, amid all the shattered glass, boo, the Madame told her what he's done.

The POS got what he deserved, or maybe less than what he deserved. As for his wife, she's better off. ..If he was willing to rough up a Sex Worker it's quite likely he battered her, too.

In a better world, everyone would treat you and what you do with respect. As I've said before, it's outrageous that we allow a huge powerful man to monetize his talent for brutality in pro sports, but not let a person monetize their talent for giving a lonely person a few minutes of the physical contact and intimacy that all humans desire. Fucking stupid...

I wish you could live on just repeats and referrals so you'd never have to roll the dice again on a stranger. Anyway, be safe AprilTwenties... We appreciate you sharing a bit of your world with us.

 

[TheGxForum]

I started sex work (as a cam girl) at XV. That wasn’t healthy. It got me hooked on incredibly easy money and I convinced myself that I was the one exploiting my subscribers, not the other way around.

Are you still hooked or were you able to stop...?

 

[TheGxForum]

The money was very hard to walk away from. I was in Argentina when a social media platform named Privacy was launched. Weird, counter-productive laws there and in the region meant that the minimum age for content creation was effectively XVI. When you’re pretty and that age, there are a million perverts lined up to watch you strip and fill your purse with gold.

Maybe the root of the issue was my undiagnosed hyper sexuality, which bulldozed me at puberty. My mother thought she could pray it away - even as she dragged me through the gruelling and often sleazy teen beauty pageant circuit.

This is me, XIV, strutting in front of crowds at some contest in Three Rivers, TX. https://streamable.com/3hns3g

I was already VERY sexually active. My mother would applaud me parading in shorts and heels, then damn me to hell every time she caught me taking a boy (or girl) back to my room. It really did my head in.

Damn can tell you grew up hot haha

 

[LMWM321]

I was already VERY sexually active. My mother would applaud me parading in shorts and heels, then damn me to hell every time she caught me taking a boy (or girl) back to my room. It really did my head in.

So sorry to hear EP. Kids should NEVER be sexually objectified - which is precisely what those awful beauty pageants are about. The idea of Mom's and Dad's putting their young girls in skimpy outfits and heels, then piling on lipstick, fake eyelashes and makeup to prepare them to prance around for a bunch of pervy strangers is beyond fucking revolting. Clearly, it should be illegal.

As for sex.. Well, there's nothing wrong with being a highly sexual young woman, but when it goes to extremes and is a reaction to the trauma of being sexually objectified as a child... well, then it's clearly for the wrong reasons, which makes it quite unhealthy. My heart breaks for you... I hope that with the passing of time (and maybe lots of therapy) your relationship with sex becomes less of a reaction to what happened to you as a child and becomes more about what you want for yourself as a healthy, well-adjusted adult.

 

[LMWM321]

Damn can tell you grew up hot haha

She grew up hot? That's your takeaway from her story!? She grew up being forced into sexual objectification - that's the furthest thing from "hot".

 

[LMWM321]

Thanks for your thoughtful, compassionate response. Before anything, I should point out that the root cause was puberty-induced hyper-sexuality. It’s a legit DSM-5 condition and is fairly treatable with medication. I certainly didn’t bring it on myselff. Nor can I blame my mother for choosing Jesus statues over psychiatry to deal with it.

Oh, I totally believe it's a real thing... And your condition coinciding with your Mom's poor choices for you as a child was most unfortunate. ..I'm glad you have come through it ok. ..And certainly no judgments from me about how you make your money now as an adult. As I've said before, it's asinine that we're okay when people monetize their ability to cause life altering injuries in violent sports like boxing, MMA, rugby, football, etc.. but then judge harshly those who seek to monetize their sexuality.

Bell well, EP. and thanks for contributing to the thread...

 

[TheGxForum]

She grew up hot? That's your takeaway from her story!? She grew up being forced into sexual objectification - that's the furthest thing from "hot".

Well yeah simmer down guy not everyone is so blessed or privileged to grow up in the best environments...

 

[Chilllax]

Would legalizing and normalizing sex work be a net positive or negative for society?

Imagine sex work being legitimized and normalized; workers being licensed and bonded and perhaps coming to your home. Workers who are as dedicated to their craft as Physical Therapists or Massage Therapists and likewise held accountable for following a strict code of ethical conduct.

My feeling is that the positives far outweigh the negatives. There are simply too many people going without physical intimacy - which for many is an irrepressible life-force that is as essential to happiness as laughter. Perhaps some of the SW’s could even have specialized training and certification for servicing those who are elderly, or have severe health issues or disabilities, etc..

On the other hand, perhaps it would be just another vice like gambling, drugs or alcohol that drains bank accounts, ends marriages and breaks up families. Or maybe making access to sex so easy would only further inhibit young people from developing the sort of interpersonal skills that lead to more substantive relationships, like gaming and watching porn for hours on end.

Either way, I’ve always found it hard to understand why we allow those with a talent for brutality to make millions in pro sports, but we don’t allow those with a gift for giving sexual pleasure to monetize their talent, especially when their skills cause no physical harm.

Your thoughts? Would you be a client, or know someone who would benefit?

As a late entrant, permit me to say great thread! Very thought provoking.
I haven't read through all the posts but beyond the moral issues is the very important law and order issue. For the record I am all for legalizing prostitution. I think the benefits ( regulations, maybe reduction in human trafficking, better health services and maybe even reduced crime) outweigh the cons( increased human trafficking perhaps and I recognize it can go both ways,. potential for exploitation etc). That's why I believe that infrastructure to handle a potential increase in crime is the most critical issue. If a prostitute cannot go to the cops or rely on the justice system then everything is down the drain. My humble 2 cents.

 

[TheGxForum]

As a late entrant, permit me to say great thread! Very thought provoking.
I haven't read through all the posts but beyond the moral issues is the very important law and order issue. For the record I am all for legalizing prostitution. I think the benefits ( regulations, maybe reduction in human trafficking, better health services and maybe even reduced crime) outweigh the cons( increased human trafficking perhaps and I recognize it can go both ways,. potential for exploitation etc). That's why I believe that infrastructure to handle a potential increase in crime is the most critical issue. If a prostitute cannot go to the cops or rely on the justice system then everything is down the drain. My humble 2 cents.

The problem with prejudice from the police is always the same problem with pig culture and pig brutality etc I think the best solution for that is reducing pig powers by abolishing/defunding the police and allowing everyone to hire their own security and allow everyone more ability to defend protect themselves instead of the government always having a monopoly on self deference and protection etc...