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[Pad_Foot]

On Prapaganda??

Remember all the premature baby incubators removed from Kuwait by Iraq!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

Or the babies that the Germans impaled on their helmets in WW1

Prove it!

Not that it didn’t happen! Just be transparent! And these days even then we can’t be sure !! The facts get repeated before anyone corroborates

As for the gore?’ Show it! Teach people to avoid it! It’s in our movies and the games our kids play!

 

[Dribble]

And they did it again. See how tyranny works? Israel blames the civilians...but the reality...they are willing to kill hundreds at a chance of killing a few militants. Have you watched the interviews today? No one from Israel is denying they ate murdering civilians.

We...Americans...faced the same issues in Afghanistan. Yet...we behaved differently didn't we? Why? Because we are not animals. We are better than this. We are allowing the Israelis, which have always acted more barbarically, to pull us along into a future filled with violence.

Instead of bombing and murdering civilians...send in foot soldiers to clear the tunnels. But cowards... rather kill indiscriminately from afar.

This is sick. Sad day for humanity. Not surprising really though is it?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Murdering civilians, by either side, is not acceptable.

One is an oppressed people, the other is an occupying imperialist power. The violence of one against the other are not equal, except in the eyes of hypocritical capitalist imperialists.

But lest we forget, it was not Israel who started this conflict.

Yes, it was. Israel started it 1948, when they expelled over 700,000 Palestinians from their land as Israel was founded (out of a non-Jewish population in Palestine at the time of 1.2 million), and also before that with Zionist terrorism in Palestine. All the famous leaders of Israel in the following decades were terrorists in the 1945-1948 period in particular, in organizations like the Irgun and the Stern Gang, violence directed against the British forces as well (who ran the British Mandate of Palestine), not just against the Palestinians. Another ridiculous thing is what you said with that quote, acting like what happened on October 7 isn't connected to the decades of Israel oppression against the Palestinian population, saying that Israel didn't start it.

Also, who started the war isn't really what one should focus on when it comes to who we back. For example, the Union started the Civil War against the Confederacy, seeking to expand industrial capitalism into the expanding west and seeking to prevent chattel slavery from doing the same with their system and to prevent the slave states from walking away from the Union in response. That doesn't change the fact that the Union was the progressive side, and the Confederacy was the reactionary side.

 

[Dribble]

The Jewish culture...was defeated and placed into slavery. This occurred when? 3rd century BC?
From that time...up until 1945...they had no state in the Middle East

 

[Chobham]

For the record.

There’s a lot of talk about a ‘two state’ solution. The Israeli’s will not, cannot, allow that to happen, nor should they. The Hamas charter, like the charter of their predecessor’s the PLO, calls for the elimination of Israel and the Jews. That is their reason for being. That has been the rallying point for the so called Palestinians for over seventy years now. There are some that actually believe that is some sort of ‘talking point’, a political bargaining chip. Given their behavior over the decades there is no reason for any rational individual to believe that is the case. Take them at their word just as the world should have taken Hitler at his word. No civilized nation should advocate for a Palestinian state under the current circumstances. They have, by choice, turned themselves into a mob of psychopathic murderer’s.

Let’s move on to the assertions of genocide. The assertion is bullshit on it’s surface. Was the elimination of the Nazi’s genocide ? The elimination of the Japanese militarists ? Were they a genotype or a political entity ? And what is Hamas ? This is war and there are going to be a considerable amount of collateral damages. Especially when the enemy hides among the civilian population, that too is an attribute of asymmetrical warfare. That is also a big tell as to the Palestinian respect for human life, they don’t even respect their own.

Why are the Palestinians psychopathic murderer’s ? For decades they haven’t been teaching their children the ABC’s or 123’s, they’ve been teaching them the care and feeding of the AK47, how to make rockets and IED’s and that the highest honor is to die killing Jews. It’s not a religion, it’s a death cult. There is no excuse for this, none. This is how they’ve trained their children, they didn’t come by it naturally. It was a choice that they made.

So explain to me why any peoples anywhere would want to accept a people like that into civilized society ? Why they should deserve any sympathy for the culture they’re created ?

 

[RandyRebecca]

The Jewish culture...was defeated and placed into slavery. This occurred when? 3rd century BC?
From that time...up until 1945...they had no state in the Middle East

Of course, similar crimes were committed in America, against the Red Indian native population, as the cowboys sought coast to coast domination. Some of it was diseases of course, brought over by those of European descent, which the natives had no resistance too.

For the record.

There’s a lot of talk about a ‘two state’ solution.

The "two state solution" was a sham all along. Israel never intended it, but they have made it impossible anyway with their continue theft of West Bank land. The "two state solution" was basically co-opting some Palestinian leaders (i.e. traitors) into doing the dirty of work of Israel in policing the Palestinian population, with the creation of the "Palestinian Authority". That's what the Oslo Accords were for Israel, not a chance for peace, to allow a Palestinian state, but a way of dividing the Palestinians, from leaders to masses, from Gaza to West Bank, from Fatah to Hamas. Netanyahu has scarcely denied encouraging Hamas as a counterweight against Fatah.

Israel has spent the last few decades stealing more and more West Bank land, and since 2005 Palestinians have called for a Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel in response. Israel also made a big show of pulling all their settlements out of Gaza in 2005, and then proceeded to turn Gaza into a ghetto, the biggest open air prison in the world.

The crimes are monstrous.

 

[Dribble]

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3915966/jewish/Timeline-of-Jewish-History.htm

 

[RandyRebecca]

If Israel was genocidal, Palestinians would be gone.....

And remove their bogeymen completely? Israel always needs a real or imagined outside threat to its existence, followed by a monstrous imperialist occupying power then playing the victim against the Palestinians that they've stolen land from, food, water often denied, houses bulldozed. They've ordered hospitals(!) in much of Gaza to evacuate. I mean, how sick is that?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Israeli intelligence is legendary. To the point that there are serious questions as to how this slipped past them.

Nothing stays fixed for all time. Everything moves, changes and evolves. US imperialism in 2003 was seemingly so powerful that it thought that it could click its fingers and do whatever it wanted across the world at the time that the Iraq War began. Look at them now, overstretched, weak and pathetic, always making mistakes, yet still the biggest imperialist power in the world, a bit like 4th and 5th century AD Rome. Biden's mental state sums up the current state of US imperialism in 2023.

Israel is more isolated now since Saudi Arabia, at the urging of China, restored diplomatic relations with Iran. And then Biden's diplomatic relations plan for Saudi Arabia and Israel in response was wrecked by the events of October 7.

 

[Chobham]

And remove their bogeymen completely? Israel always needs a real or imagined outside threat to its existence, followed by a monstrous imperialist occupying power then playing the victim against the Palestinians that they've stolen land from, food, water often denied, houses bulldozed. They've ordered hospitals(!) in much of Gaza to evacuate. I mean, how sick is that?

Nothing less than the psychopaths deserve. Death cults are like that.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Nothing less than the psychopaths deserve. Death cults are like that.

Calling for genocide now, are you? Israel deserves to face a multi-front conflict, and defeat. Hezbollah has beaten Israel before, and more than once. Biden and his pathetic administration deserve the same, bogged down in that proxy war in Ukraine against Russia, and now staggered with Israel, still spending billions of $$$$$ on this madness.

Speaking of death cults, can you explain why the US authorities fund them, going back to the Mujahideen (including a certain Osama bin Laden) against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s? A section of the Mujahideen later became the Taliban, by the way. Why are the US still in Syria? Wasting all our taxes, to the tune of billions and billions of $$$$$, on this warmongering nonsense, while people struggle in the US. Enough is enough!

 

[Chobham]

Calling for genocide now, are you? Israel deserves to face a multi-front conflict, and defeat. Hezbollah has beaten Israel before, and more than once. Biden and his pathetic administration deserve the same, bogged down in that proxy war in Ukraine against Russia, and now staggered with Israel, still spending billions of $$$$$ on this madness.

Speaking of death cults, can you explain why the US authorities fund them, going back to the Mujahideen (including a certain Osama bin Laden) against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s? A section of the Mujahideen later became the Taliban, by the way. Why are the US still in Syria? Wasting all our taxes, to the tune of billions and billions of $$$$$, on this warmongering nonsense, while people struggle in the US. Enough is enough!

Can't read, can ya?

 

[ll74]

For the record.

There’s a lot of talk about a ‘two state’ solution. The Israeli’s will not, cannot, allow that to happen, nor should they. The Hamas charter, like the charter of their predecessor’s the PLO, calls for the elimination of Israel and the Jews. That is their reason for being. That has been the rallying point for the so called Palestinians for over seventy years now. There are some that actually believe that is some sort of ‘talking point’, a political bargaining chip. Given their behavior over the decades there is no reason for any rational individual to believe that is the case. Take them at their word just as the world should have taken Hitler at his word. No civilized nation should advocate for a Palestinian state under the current circumstances. They have, by choice, turned themselves into a mob of psychopathic murderer’s.

Let’s move on to the assertions of genocide. The assertion is bullshit on it’s surface. Was the elimination of the Nazi’s genocide ? The elimination of the Japanese militarists ? Were they a genotype or a political entity ? And what is Hamas ? This is war and there are going to be a considerable amount of collateral damages. Especially when the enemy hides among the civilian population, that too is an attribute of asymmetrical warfare. That is also a big tell as to the Palestinian respect for human life, they don’t even respect their own.

Why are the Palestinians psychopathic murderer’s ? For decades they haven’t been teaching their children the ABC’s or 123’s, they’ve been teaching them the care and feeding of the AK47, how to make rockets and IED’s and that the highest honor is to die killing Jews. It’s not a religion, it’s a death cult. There is no excuse for this, none. This is how they’ve trained their children, they didn’t come by it naturally. It was a choice that they made.

So explain to me why any peoples anywhere would want to accept a people like that into civilized society ? Why they should deserve any sympathy for the culture they’re created ?

That's a long winded way of saying "kill the Palestinians, it's the only way"

 

[LLCox]

I have a tip for the "poor innocents" at the refugee camp. If you are standing around a Hamass leader using you as a shield you might want to leave. that is all.


https://www.euractiv.com/section/gl...cond-hamas-leader-first-evacuees-reach-egypt/

 

[Chobham]

That's a long winded way of saying "kill the Palestinians, it's the only way"

Containment hasn't worked, has it?

 

[ll74]

Containment hasn't worked, has it?

Favoring genocide is the Hamas way! Good job differentiating yourself ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

 

[RobDownSouth]

Containment hasn't worked, has it?

No, Apartheid ("Containment" in Ish-speak) hasn't worked
....so "Let's move on to Ethnic Cleansing" is your backup plan?

 

[Chobham]

Favoring genocide is the Hamas way! Good job differentiating yourself ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

The "Palestinians" do not exist as a unique race, religious, linguistic, or cultural entity. For that reason 'genocide' is a definition that is misapplied. They are a political construct that is unified by one guiding doctrine, Kill the Jews. They have demonstrated their adherence to that doctrine time and time again in word and deed. ANY GROUP that is the focal point of such a doctrine can have but one response.............eliminate the threat.

 

[ll74]

The "Palestinians" do not exist as a unique race, religious, linguistic, or cultural entity. For that reason 'genocide' is a definition that is misapplied. They are a political construct that is unified by one guiding doctrine, Kill the Jews. They have demonstrated their adherence to that doctrine time and time again in word and deed. ANY GROUP that is the focal point of such a doctrine can have but one response.............eliminate the threat.

Eh...you got my point. Killing an entire group of people or calling for it, as you have here, seems like something you don't appreciate....and yet here you are.... talking out of both sides of your mouth.

They want to kill a large group of people so you want to kill them.

I'm sure that turns out well.

 

[ll74]

I swear, the longer this goes on, the more I shake my head.

Supporters of both sides want the other dead.

If anything, THAT is what would lead to world war 3. Fucking people calling for the death of others....what more do you need?

No religion no culture, no ideology should exist that supports that horseshit.

 

[icanhelp1]

No, Apartheid ("Containment" in Ish-speak) hasn't worked
....so "Let's move on to Ethnic Cleansing" is your backup plan?

Which ethnic cleansing do you prefer, Iran’s version or Israel’s?

 

[icanhelp1]

Maybe world tensions will ease now that Iran chairs the UN human rights commission.

 

[CenSore]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720057376823234752

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720057376823234752

 

[Dribble]

I swear, the longer this goes on, the more I shake my head.

Supporters of both sides want the other dead.

If anything, THAT is what would lead to world war 3. Fucking people calling for the death of others....what more do you need?

No religion no culture, no ideology should exist that supports that horseshit.

No way have I ever said that.

Let me break it down as simple as I can.

What Hamas did was revolting and I have no problem with them dying as a result of that act.

However...innocent people should not have to sacrifice their lives.

A bomb...directed to kill one...two...ten Hamas militants...that ALSO kills 50...hundred...women and children is not OK

People that believe that is acceptable...need to grow balls and call it what it is...that they believe 100 innocent Palestinian lives has less merit than any one Israeli life and is a worthy tradeoff to kill a couple Hamas militants

Why do I care? Because we...and the World sees it...are siding with acts of war crimes...and the next generation or terrorists...will remember and attack us. And the cycle continues

Is that simple enough?

 

[ll74]

No way have I ever said that.

Let me break it down as simple as I can.

What Hamas did was revolting and I have no problem with them dying as a result of that act.

However...innocent people should not have to sacrifice their lives.

A bomb...directed to kill one...two...ten Hamas militants...that ALSO kills 50...hundred...women and children is not OK

People that believe that is acceptable...need to grow balls and call it what it is...that they believe 100 innocent Palestinian lives has less merit than any one Israeli life and is a worthy tradeoff to kill a couple Hamas militants

Why do I care? Because we...and the World sees it...are siding with acts of war crimes...and the next generation or terrorists...will remember and attack us. And the cycle continues

Is that simple enough?

What is acceptable is that Israel has a right to respond to the provocation. They can and should work to prevent civilian deaths and should be criticized for not doing so.

But Hamas putting civilians in harm's way is not Israels fault