Climate continues to change.

[gunthernehmen]

Electric cars - maybe not the best choice for long drives in winter.

I actually like electric cars, but the technology has only advanced far enough for commuting and local driving. Driving across country or even a few states away is impractical. I clock 80k - 100k miles a year and a Tesla or similar would not work for me LOL

There's also a tremendous environmental impact, especially with the batteries, (much like current technology solar panels) that people either ignore or don't seem to be aware of.

 

[PrincepsCyberius]

It’s Not Just About Cost. The Green New Deal Is Bad Environmental Policy, Too.

 

[PrincepsCyberius]

I actually like electric cars, but the technology has only advanced far enough for commuting and local driving. Driving across country or even a few states away is impractical. I clock 80k - 100k miles a year and a Tesla or similar would not work for me LOL

There's also a tremendous environmental impact, especially with the batteries, (much like current technology solar panels) that people either ignore or don't seem to be aware of.

Where I live, almost all of our electricity is produced by burning coal. That means using an electric car here certainly puts more greenhouse gasses into the air than driving a car with an efficient modern internal combustion engine.

As a side note, some years ago my neighbor, a kool-aid drinking environmentalist, bought an electric lawnmower. He was showing it off to me and I responded: "Nice coal burner!"

He gave me a funny look and I proceeded to explain the same thing, that using an electric mower around here puts more greenhouse gases into the air than using one with a gasoline engine. He must have researched and confirmed it, because he never came back to me claiming otherwise. By the next summer, he had gone back to a gasoline powered mower.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Where I live, almost all of our electricity is produced by burning coal. That means using an electric car here certainly puts more greenhouse gasses into the air than driving a car with an efficient modern internal combustion engine.

As a side note, some years ago my neighbor, a kool-aid drinking environmentalist, bought an electric lawnmower. He was showing it off to me and I responded: "Nice coal burner!"

He gave me a funny look and I proceeded to explain the same thing, that using an electric mower around here puts more greenhouse gases into the air than using one with a gasoline engine. He must have researched and confirmed it, because he never came back to me claiming otherwise. By the next summer, he had gone back to a gasoline powered mower.

I agree. As I said they have an environmental impact most people don't pay attention to. However, the performance envelope is amazing. As long as you aren't going FAR!

 

[thør]

I actually like electric cars, but the technology has only advanced far enough for commuting and local driving. Driving across country or even a few states away is impractical. I clock 80k - 100k miles a year and a Tesla or similar would not work for me LOL

There's also a tremendous environmental impact, especially with the batteries, (much like current technology solar panels) that people either ignore or don't seem to be aware of.

WHAT? Owning a Prius won't save the world?

People are going to demand another pill for that.

Where I live, almost all of our electricity is produced by burning coal. That means using an electric car here certainly puts more greenhouse gasses into the air than driving a car with an efficient modern internal combustion engine.

As a side note, some years ago my neighbor, a kool-aid drinking environmentalist, bought an electric lawnmower. He was showing it off to me and I responded: "Nice coal burner!"

He gave me a funny look and I proceeded to explain the same thing, that using an electric mower around here puts more greenhouse gases into the air than using one with a gasoline engine. He must have researched and confirmed it, because he never came back to me claiming otherwise. By the next summer, he had gone back to a gasoline powered mower.

Had your neighbor really wanted a green solution, he could have put together a little off-grid solar powered charging station for his mower.

 

[gunthernehmen]

WHAT? Owning a Prius won't save the world?

It won't save the world, but many (most?) people that drive one think it will.

Actually, I like the Tesla, even though Musk is insane. Because of the amount of driving, my daily ride is big and comfortable. A Tesla (nor a Prius) won't cut it. But they're wicked fun to drive if you aren't going 300 to 400 miles at a clip.

 

[Dribble]

Argue for your limitations, and so they shall be yours.

Fortunately, others dont follow the right wing mentality.

http://news.mit.edu/2019/mit-engineers-develop-new-way-remove-carbon-dioxide-air-1025

 

[gunthernehmen]

Argue for your limitations, and so they shall be yours.

Fortunately, others dont follow the right wing mentality.

http://news.mit.edu/2019/mit-engineers-develop-new-way-remove-carbon-dioxide-air-1025

A good bit less than a household's energy consumption per month per ton. Not bad.

Scaled up to recapture the US's carbon emissions, though, that's about 2 million households worth of electricity, which is about 300k tons of coal per year. Considering we use over a billion tons a year I guess that's not bad, but it isn't nothing either.

If it scales affordably, then I guess we'll see. (I probably slipped a decimal point one direction or the other, so if my napkin math is off, don't sue me)

That doesn't solve the long distance Tesla problem for me though. There's no practical way to refuel FAST on a long trip.

 

[PrincepsCyberius]

Had your neighbor really wanted a green solution, he could have put together a little off-grid solar powered charging station for his mower.

Or gotten sheep.

 

[Dribble]

10 years ago..no one thought electric cars would replace gas powered cars. Today, every single manufacturer is in the process of total transition. Just because technology is limited today, does not mean it will be in one year. I just read a few weeks ago, about a battery that can replace the lithium clunker we presently use.

Just imagine if we had an administration that believed in science...we wouldnt be standing behind the leaders as we are.

 

[Dribble]

This is not the article I was reading, but it is referring to the same technology. Graphite based. Recharge in 30 seconds. Holds more. Goes longer.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets...in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air

Edit..if I remember correctly, it uses aluminum and graphene

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&u=**3p**DqUYRFwJB2t4J

 

[gunthernehmen]

10 years ago..no one thought electric cars would replace gas powered cars. Today, every single manufacturer is in the process of total transition. Just because technology is limited today, does not mean it will be in one year. I just read a few weeks ago, about a battery that can replace the lithium clunker we presently use.

Just imagine if we had an administration that believed in science...we wouldnt be standing behind the leaders as we are.

They're building more electric cars in order to to meet the fleet mpg requirements. The requirements that are set by the government.

 

[phrodeau]

They're building more electric cars in order to to meet the fleet mpg requirements. The requirements that are set by the government.

Is that what’s happening in China?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-china-is-driving-the-future-of-electric-cars

 

[Dribble]

He should take a class in economics. Let us look at one part of a car. A drivetrain. For a gas power vehicle, this consists of over 2000 parts. For an electric car...just over 20. That is 2 orders of magnitude less parts. Which do you think costs less to build?

Automotive manufacturers dont give a shit about the environment. They just want to make money. And in this case, the environment benefits from their choice. Morons.

 

[thør]

Actually, I like the Tesla, even though Musk is insane. Because of the amount of driving, my daily ride is big and comfortable. A Tesla (nor a Prius) won't cut it. But they're wicked fun to drive if you aren't going 300 to 400 miles at a clip.

I have a few friends with Model S Teslas. And there are several of the Model 3's in my neighborhood. They're just fine for commuting to town, but you're not gonna drive one to my cabin, stay a week below zero, and drive it back home without a recharge.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Is that what’s happening in China?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-china-is-driving-the-future-of-electric-cars

Is China subject to our manufacturing laws?

 

[OldJourno]

10 years ago..no one thought electric cars would replace gas powered cars. Today, every single manufacturer is in the process of total transition. Just because technology is limited today, does not mean it will be in one year. I just read a few weeks ago, about a battery that can replace the lithium clunker we presently use.

Just imagine if we had an administration that believed in science...we wouldnt be standing behind the leaders as we are.

This has nothing to do with the administration. If there is a new battery that is economical both as a fuel and for the price of a car, people would stampede to the dealers and wouldn't need government incentives.
In other words, if a certain motor company can produce an electric Mustang that can go 400 miles on one charge with the AC on and can recharge in a half-hour, and it's priced at $30,000, then Ford has built a better mouse trap.

I am baffled by people who keep thinking the administration or the government can wave a wand and make something happen.

 

[gunthernehmen]

He should take a class in economics. Let us look at one part of a car. A drivetrain. For a gas power vehicle, this consists of over 2000 parts. For an electric car...just over 20. That is 2 orders of magnitude less parts. Which do you think costs less to build?

Automotive manufacturers dont give a shit about the environment. They just want to make money. And in this case, the environment benefits from their choice. Morons.

Or you. They are not (yet) profitable to manufacture.

 

[gunthernehmen]

This has nothing to do with the administration. If there is a new battery that is economical both as a fuel and for the price of a car, people would stampede to the dealers and wouldn't need government incentives.
In other words, if a certain motor company can produce an electric Mustang that can go 400 miles on one charge with the AC on and can recharge in a half-hour, and it's priced at $30,000, then Ford has built a better mouse trap.

I am baffled by people who keep thinking the administration or the government can wave a wand and make something happen.

The same way they wave a wand and suddenly cars have to have seat belts?

 

[Dribble]

I have a few friends with Model S Teslas. And there are several of the Model 3's in my neighborhood. They're just fine for commuting to town, but you're not gonna drive one to my cabin, stay a week below zero, and drive it back home without a recharge.

So dont buy one. I have a pickup. I also have a prius. I am smart enough to know which one to use where.

 

[OldJourno]

The same way they wave a wand and suddenly cars have to have seat belts?

More like waving a wand and suddenly cars get 45 mpg.

 

[thør]

Time to invest in copper mining. So much copper is required for EVs that recycling will not fill the bill.

 

[gunthernehmen]

More like waving a wand and suddenly cars get 45 mpg.

Were you dropped on the head? What are you even talking about?

 

[Emerson40]

Where I live, almost all of our electricity is produced by burning coal. That means using an electric car here certainly puts more greenhouse gasses into the air than driving a car with an efficient modern internal combustion engine.

As a side note, some years ago my neighbor, a kool-aid drinking environmentalist, bought an electric lawnmower. He was showing it off to me and I responded: "Nice coal burner!"

He gave me a funny look and I proceeded to explain the same thing, that using an electric mower around here puts more greenhouse gases into the air than using one with a gasoline engine. He must have researched and confirmed it, because he never came back to me claiming otherwise. By the next summer, he had gone back to a gasoline powered mower.

If he really wanted to reduce that carbon footprint, he would go with one of those manual reel mowers.

A neighbour, one who likes to get up bright and early on Saturday or Sunday to tackle yard-work, switched to one a couple summers ago.
He feels he’s doing his part for Mother Earth, and I appreciate the weekend morning peace and quiet.

 

[trysail]

...Same is true for coal powered plants...why use coal when natural gas is not only cleaner...but cheaper?...

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

-George Santayana​

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