Climate continues to change.

[Disgustipated]

Someone asked a good question. Can't remember where I read it, but it goes something like this:
If the science is settled and all of America does everything called for by Obama to combat global warming/climate change, what exactly will happen with our temperature/climate?
I think that's a fair question.

Things won't die as easily or become extinct as quickly. That qualifies as a good question? Are we going to dissect frogs next period?

 

[OldJourno]

Things won't die as easily or become extinct as quickly. That qualifies as a good question? Are we going to dissect frogs next period?

So the science isn't settled?

 

[Disgustipated]

So the science isn't settled?

Science is never settled.

 

[benschup]

Science is never settled.

Just wondering. Do frogs have hair? Just being funny. I think cow farts add a lot also. A proven fact.

 

[Disgustipated]

Watch Humans Destroy the Earth in 30 Years With Google Earth Time Lapse

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--mhKwoCWX--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/xo8wybir4vfaaps8kwjf.gif

Humans do not treat the Earth kindly, and now we have even more evidence. Google just updated the Google Earth Engine to include four years of additional imagery, petabytes of new data, and generally a much clearer view of any location on Earth from 1984 to 2016. The best part: You can watch any area on Earth in a time lapse video.

The update lets you see, in dramatic detail, how the Earth has changed over the course of 32 years in almost any location. Google originally launched the time lapse tool in 2013, but back then, it was populated with low-grade images that could give you a general sense of how places looked but wouldn’t show intimate details like roads and buildings. Now you can practically see every little detail of any location (depending on how far zoomed in you are).

https://youtu.be/vIQWphoSi6w

https://youtu.be/uzLoWPWIFhA

https://youtu.be/INFof-zFDPM

 

[thør]

The spin is strong......

New building technique sequesters 3,200 tons of carbon in Minneapolis!

:chuckle: :cough:

 

[OldJourno]

Watch Humans Destroy the Earth in 30 Years With Google Earth Time Lapse

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--mhKwoCWX--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/xo8wybir4vfaaps8kwjf.gif



https://youtu.be/vIQWphoSi6w

https://youtu.be/uzLoWPWIFhA

https://youtu.be/INFof-zFDPM

How is this destroying the Earth?

 

[Hard_Rom]

New building technique sequesters 3,200 tons of carbon in Minneapolis!

:chuckle: :cough:

Probably burns nice!

Great! Now cutting down forests will sequester carbon. I'm okay with most forestry practices. We've been replanting for a long time now. But old growth stuff is getting rare. That we should be calling a halt to logging. Shame the 3rd world will have to make it's own mistakes and learn from them.

How is this destroying the Earth?

Not the best examples. Far better ones out there. Most though just document urban sprawl which is bad enough. I hate seeing good farmland (which once was old growth forest) get turned into subdivisions and big-box stores.

This is a good vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqiyP5Xv_PM&feature=youtu.be

Humans can't destroy the planet. All we can do is fuck with the biosphere and kill things in it. Including ourselves. If we wiped ourselves out tomorrow the world would not care. And within a very short couple of hundred thousand years any sign of us would be gone and things reclaimed.

So quit saying we are destroying the planet. You can burn your house down around your head but the property still remains behind. Well, maybe underwater it remains.

 

[Disgustipated]

How is this destroying the Earth?

Shaddup, vetteman.

 

[Vetteman]

Shaddup, vetteman.

Come to San Diego and make me.

 

[buckboy]

3500 bce the planet was much warmer with less co2...geez those Minoans were really screwing things up.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Come to San Diego and make me, you benightedly garrulous gas-gushing pusillanimous package of gut wind.

Better.

 

[phrodeau]

3500 bce the planet was much warmer with less co2...geez those Minoans were really screwing things up.

Hundreds of years of gradual change is natural. The sudden radical change in the last twenty years is not.

 

[Hypoxia]

3500 bce the planet was much warmer with less co2...geez those Minoans were really screwing things up.

https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/inline_all/public/Comic_RollerCoaster_610.jpg?itok=4Sdkfqop

 

[trysail]

https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/failed-climate-predictions.jpg

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So, you think the historic global temperature records are reliable?

Here's how the temperature records for the ocean (remember, that's 70% of the earth's surface) were compiled.



ERI= Engine room intake
Bucket= (literally) throwing a canvas bucket overboard (I swear to god, I'm not making this up)

https://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/figure-2.png
Source: Hadley Centre, Climate Research Unit
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadsst3/part_1_figinline.pdf



They haven't got a frickin' clue whether global temperatures are warmer or not.



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[trysail]

...On November 19, 2009, an internal whistle-blower or hacker downloaded more than 1,000 documents and e-mails from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at East Anglia University (United Kingdom)... these documents were soon accessed by websites around the world.

These e-mails were a subset of confidential communications between top climate scientists in the UK, the United States, and other nations over a 15-year period. Those involved developed surface temperature data sets, promoted the “Hockey Stick” curve, and wrote or edited the core of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) assessment reports to that time.

The incident was branded “Climategate” by British columnist James Delingpole. These e-mails provide an insight into practices that fall somewhere between bad science and fraudulent science. Bias, data manipulation, dodging freedom of information requests, and efforts to subvert the peer-review process were uncovered.

Some of the more salient quotations follow:


Man-Made Warming Controversy

“I know there is pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’ but in reality the situation is not quite so simple.”

—Dr. Keith Briffa, Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Sep. 22, 1999.
​

“Keith’s [Briffa] series…differs in large part in exactly the opposite direction that Phil’s [Jones] does from ours. This is the problem we all picked up on (everyone in the room at IPCC was in agreement that this was a problem and a potential distraction/detraction from the reasonably consensus viewpoint we’d like to show w/ the Jones et al and Mann et al series).”

—Dr. Michael Mann, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Sep. 22, 1999.​

“…it would be nice to try to ‘contain’ the putative ‘MWP’ [Medieval Warm Period]…”

—Dr. Michael Mann, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, June 4, 2003​

“By the way, when is Tom C [Crowley] going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.”

—Dr. Michael Mann, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Aug. 3, 2004.
​

“I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she thinks she’s doing, but it’s not helping the cause, or her professional credibility.”

—Dr. Michael Mann, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, May 30, 2008
​

“Well, I have my own article on where the heck is global warming… The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

—Dr. Kevin Trenberth, IPCC Lead Author, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Oct. 12, 2009.
​

Manipulating Temperature Data

“I’ve just completed Mike’s [Mann] Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s [Briffa] to hide the decline.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Nov. 16, 1999.
​

“Also we have applied a completely artificial adjustment to the data after 1960, so they look closer to observed temperatures than the tree-ring data actually were….”

—Dr. Tim Osborn, Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Dec. 20, 2006.
​

“If you look at the attached plot you will see that the land also shows the 1940s warming blip (as I’m sure you know). So, if we could reduce the ocean blip by, say 0.15 deg C, then this would be significant for the global mean—but we’d still have to explain the land blip….”

—Dr. Tom Wigley, University Corporation for Atmospheric Research, on adjusting global temperature data, disclosed Climategate e-mail to Phil Jones, Sep. 28, 2008.
​

“We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.”

—Climatic Research Unit web site, the world’s leading provider of global temperature data, admitting that it can’t produce the original thermometer data, 2011.​

Data Suppression; Freedom of Information (FOI) Avoidance

“We have 25 or so years invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try to find something wrong with it.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University, email to Warwick Hughes, 2004.​

“I’m getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data. Don’t any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Feb. 21, 2005.
​

“Mike [Mann], can you delete any e-mails you may have had with Keith [Trenberth] re AR4? Keith will do likewise…. Can you also e-mail Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his e-mail address…. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, May 29, 2008.
​

“You might want to check with the IPCC Bureau. I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 [the upcoming IPCC Fifth Assessment Report] would be to delete all e-mails at the end of the process. Hard to do, as not everybody will remember it.”

—Dr. Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, on avoiding Freedom of Information requirements, disclosed Climategate e-mail, May 12, 2009.​

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Subverting the Peer-Review Process

“I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow, even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”

—Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, July 8, 2004.​

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____________

“Climategate was a turning point,” Professor Judith Curry remembered, where “pronouncements from the IPCC were no longer sufficient.”



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[Disgustipated]

That took effort.

 

[Lancecastor]

the “Hockey Stick” curve

The hockey stick curve has always been the secret to boardroom success, no matter the industry.

 

[phrodeau]

That took effort.

So does a bowel movement.

 

[Disgustipated]

So does a bowel movement.

And far less shitty than a tryfail C&P.

 

[OldJourno]

That took effort.

The real effort is reading the post and discerning that the settled science isn't even a consensus.

 

[Disgustipated]

The real effort is reading the post and discerning that the settled science isn't even a consensus.

I did that the first 709 times he posted that same Crayola box.

 

[OldJourno]

I did that the first 709 times he posted that same Crayola box.

Well OK then.

 

[trysail]

There are multiple flags on the field. Penalties have been
called on the usual mindless automatons.


http://i.imgur.com/d3qryz0.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BeD9aCQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1lYuBIk.jpg



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[Disgustipated]

Tryfail has a massive crush on Ed's guns.