Climate Change...Earth Orbit?

[FGB]

Nothing new really...

Scientists: Orbital Variations Main Cause of Climate Change

Wednesday, 11 Mar 2015 04:02 PM

By John Blosser


Global warming theorists have taken yet another hit with a new study out of Denmark which demonstrates that variations in Earth's orbit are the primary causes of climate change, and have been for at least the last 1.4 billion years.


more... http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/sc...cycles-orbit-variations/2015/03/11/id/629605/

 

[KingOrfeo]

That might well be true; it would not change the fact that greenhouse gases are also a cause of climate change -- and, at present, a far more important one. The deniers keep saying "Earths' climate is always changing" -- they overlook or handwave the fact that the present rate of change is historically anomalous.

 

[cowslinger64]

Ya skipped some stuff there cowboy...

Are you ANOTHER one of those DUMB SOB's who are either too stupid or too brainwashed to understand that, Bush was referring to the aircraft carrier's mission was accomplished.

Stop being a Dumb ass an check the facts !

That is one thing the INTERNET is good for.

Mother FUCKER!

Read His Speech!

Ummm...no, sorry.
he wasn't talking about the carrier and crew.

His only reference to "mission" washttp://www.cbsnews.com/news/text-of-bush-speech-01-05-2003/

 

[luvslingerie200]

That might well be true; it would not change the fact that greenhouse gases are also a cause of climate change -- and, at present, a far more important one. The deniers keep saying "Earths' climate is always changing" -- they overlook or handwave the fact that the present rate of change is historically anomalous.

While I fully believe it is important to be a good steward of the planet here is basically my take on MMGW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Nothing new really...

Scientists: Orbital Variations Main Cause of Climate Change

Wednesday, 11 Mar 2015 04:02 PM

By John Blosser


Global warming theorists have taken yet another hit with a new study out of Denmark which demonstrates that variations in Earth's orbit are the primary causes of climate change, and have been for at least the last 1.4 billion years.


more... http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/sc...cycles-orbit-variations/2015/03/11/id/629605/

Are they also responsible for the decline in air quality?

 

[KingOrfeo]

While I fully believe it is important to be a good steward of the planet here is basically my take on MMGW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4

Well, that's the whole point -- the Earth isn't going anywhere, but maybe we are. The last Ice Age never ended, you know, we're just in an "interglacial period" of it -- geologists define "ice age" as any period with ice at the poles. Sometimes there is none. But humans have never lived on an Earth like that, we have lived our whole existence in an ice age. We're not adapted to anything else. And the change is happening too fast for evolutionary adaptation.

 

[phrodeau]

Are they also responsible for the decline in air quality?

Or the acidification of the oceans?

 

[CandiCame]

Or the acidification of the oceans?

Or the massive decrease in biodiversity?

 

[Mister_Chris]

Newsmax

The article is sourced from Newsmax, a strongly conservative news organization. Wikipedia states,"...Ruddy started Newsmax.com on September 16, 1998, supported by a group of investors, including the family of the late Central Intelligence Agency Director William J. Casey."

So it doesn't surprise me to find that they publish stories with a strongly conservative viewpoint. And given that climate change denial is an unofficial part of the conservative platform, it's predictable that they would publish this one.

The Milankovitch cycle mentioned in the article dates from World War I, and is very, very old news. And it does explain many of the long term cyclic ice ages.

However, it now predicts that Earth should be cooling, and heading into an ice age. This was one of the major arguments in the 'coming ice age' fears in the 1960's. The Milankovitch cycle is actually working to cool the Earth right now, not warm it.

The overwhelming majority of scientists - in excess of 98% - now agree that global warming is occurring, and is caused by carbon dioxide placed in the atmosphere as a result of human activity.

Speaking from personal experience, I live in a high latitude northern community; and I can personally attest to the reality of climate change over the course of my life. When I was a child, my mother would never plant her garden before May Day; now people plant their gardens a full month sooner. Commercial farmers routinely grow corn crops in a climate that didn't permit it 50 years ago. We always had snow by the 3rd week of September; now, it shows up around the first week of November. The USDA had to redraw the 'grow zones' for the United States a few years ago, because the climate had changed so much that the old map was no longer accurate.

Climate change is real. But it is in the best interests of oil, gas and coal companies to deny that fact. And given that these companies make huge donations to the campaigns of American politicians, it is not surprising to discover that American politicians echo the viewpoints of the companies that pay the bills.

I believe that the Republican party will form the government in 2016, and will control both the house and senate for at least the first two years. And given the historic reluctance of the Republican party to even acknowledge the existence of climate change, I think it is unlikely that we will see any governmental activity to mitigate climate change in the United States. And if we accept that the United States is a world leader in global policy making, it is unlikely that we'll see any other nation taking action, either.

So, I'm not hopeful. And if we fold in the fact that a recent poll indicated that American citizens believe the most trustworthy source for news is the Fox News Network, I'm even less hopeful.

I think we're going to lose the planet.

>MC

 

[KingOrfeo]

I think we're going to lose the planet.

You mean, the planet is going to lose us.

 

[miles]

The overwhelming majority of Americans aren't worried about "climate change" or whatever the fuck they're calling it this week.

2014 Gallup Poll:

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Nothing Man does or will do is going to destroy the Earth.

But we can render it uninhabitable for humans.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Wouldn't we make that claim if all of a sudden we woke up in 18th Century England?

And we would have been right, though there would have been no way to know it at the time: 18th-Century England is where and when industrial greenhouse-gas emissions started.

 

[phrodeau]

It's hard to believe that vetteman received his education during the Cold War.

 

[JohnnySavage]

It's hard to believe that vetteman received his education during the Cold War.

He's part of the generation that stole the legacy from their children and grandchildren. The generation that just doesn't care.

 

[Mister_Chris]

or the planet will lose us

Yes... when I said "I think we're going to lose the planet", I meant it in the context of, if you don't pay your rent, you lose your apartment. The apartment is just fine; you just can't live there any more. Similarly, Earth will be just fine; we simply won't be able to live there any more.

We will become extinct; or severely reduced in numbers. Along with many other animals on the planet. But the planet will be just fine. And eventually, new tenants will move in, and they will discover our fossilized remains, and they will wonder.

The information regarding the relevance placed on various issues by the American people is completely correct. However, this presupposes that the American public is well informed on the issue. They are not. People who are well informed on the issue - for example, the American military - rate climate change as one of the most globally destabilizing forces likely to occur over the next 50 years. Similarly, we should not ignore the warnings of almost 2,000 climatologists around the globe, or the continuing string of warnings from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. After all, these guys are specialists. They do this for a living.

"Nothing Man does or will do is going to destroy the Earth." I guess that depends on your definition of 'destroy'. If we render it uninhabitable, have we destroyed it? Probably not. But that doesn't mean to suggest that we'll like the results.

London was a cesspool prior to the development of a working sewage disposal system, and you probably could smell it from 20 miles away. But you couldn't have smelled it from 2,000 miles away. By comparison, radioactive particulates from the Fukushima disaster - and the Chernobyl disaster that preceded it - are easily detectable from 2,000 miles away. As mankind's presence and level of technology grows, so too does his ability to alter the course of the planet.

(And the above example does not mean that I am anti - nuclear; indeed, I think that it is our best hope for preserving our current technological civilization without exterminating ourselves. I simply wanted to make the point that mankind can affect the planet in ways undreamt of 200 years ago.)

Placing huge quantities of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will certainly affect the climate; indeed, it has already done so. We know that there has never been a point in Earth's history when the current level of carbon dioxide - slightly above 400 ppm - is associated with the presence of ice on the planet, including the north and south poles. And we know from historical data that climate change can occur abruptly, over a period of as little as 3 or 4 years.

But this doesn't mean that we can use this evidence to predict, with absolute certainty, what will happen to the climate over the next 100 years. We don't know the magnitude of change, or the speed with which it will occur.

But given that there is a possibility that we will end almost all life on the planet, we should probably discontinue the experiment.

 

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[Mister_Chris]

no end of the world predictions from London

There are no records of 'end of the world' predictions from 18th century England relating to the sewage issue. Sewers were mandated by the government of the day, not to respond to 'end of the world' fears, but simply because they themselves found it impossible to sit in parliamentary chambers. The smell was too intense.

I don't believe that I'm a 'low information' type, and I'm disappointed that you've chosen to veer from a discussion of the matter into a personal attack. I have the weight of almost 2,000 climatologists, over a decade of IPCC reports, and climatological records from over a quarter of a million years all agreeing with my position.

You, on the other hand, have Lord Monckton.

But I maintain an open mind. If you can provide solid, peer reviewed evidence from any credentialed climatologist that supports your position, I would be pleased to review it.

 

[cowslinger64]

There are no records of 'end of the world' predictions from 18th century England relating to the sewage issue. Sewers were mandated by the government of the day, not to respond to 'end of the world' fears, but simply because they themselves found it impossible to sit in parliamentary chambers. The smell was too intense.

I don't believe that I'm a 'low information' type, and I'm disappointed that you've chosen to veer from a discussion of the matter into a personal attack. I have the weight of almost 2,000 climatologists, over a decade of IPCC reports, and climatological records from over a quarter of a million years all agreeing with my position.

You, on the other hand, have Lord Monckton.

But I maintain an open mind. If you can provide solid, peer reviewed evidence from any credentialed climatologist that supports your position, I would be pleased to review it.

If you're expecting anything more from him, or any of the other right wing simpletons that frequent the politics Board.. You'll be sorely disappointed.

 

[KingOrfeo]

My point was if that existed today, there would be calls that the the end of the world was at hand from low info types like Mister Chris, yet time and the Earth has erased the shit pile that used to be 19th Century London, has it not?

Work erased it. Improvements in technology erased it. The sensible, science-friendly and humane policies of the Utilitarians and other reformers erased it. Which only goes to show that some problems really do have solutions. Why not greenhouse-gas emissions? As of this year emissions have flatlined -- the first time in half a century that emissions flatlining did not happen during, and almost certainly because of, a global economic recession. Whatever the world's governments and industries are trying is working -- some. Maybe not enough.

 

[FGB]

If you're expecting anything more from him, or any of the other right wing simpletons that frequent the politics Board.. You'll be sorely disappointed.

But...But, Our mission is either to annoy you to death or drive you even more insane than you already are.

It's a thankless task for most people but for us it has it's own reward.

 

[KingOrfeo]

But...But, Our mission is either to annoy you to death or drive you even more insane than you already are.

It's a thankless task for most people but for us it has it's own reward.

Couldn't you also, like, honestly and earnestly search for truth, at least as a part-time sideline?