circumcision...ugh

[Weevil]

Really? Why? Those are some of the best parts.

To each their own, I always say.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Like I said, one can grow accustomed to one thing or another as well, but you're obviously determined to argue with everything I say even whern I agree with you.

sure, one can grow accustomed to something...but seeing that you'd expect others to grow accustomed to something they don't like, when you won't even try liver or whatever else it was you said you don't like because of the way it smells when cooking...it seems a bit hypocritical on your part

you don't like something you've never experienced yet would argue over me not growing accustomed to something i've personally experienced and know for sure i don't like

 

[Freya]

but, he still liked them, right? even just a little bit? A hetero guy that doesn't like (or is even disgusted by) boobs, has a problem.

He might have liked boobs if they were AA cups - in other words mostly nipples. But no, he didn't like mine - he thought they were too big.

And no, he didn't have a problem. He was an ass man, not a boob man. It's not mandatory that everyone must like every single tiny detail of the opposite sex. I'm not really keen on balls - they're droopy, wrinkly and funny looking. There's a lot about men I do like, immensely, but there are parts I'd cut off if I were in charge of Design and Production.

 

[TumbledLove]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermiform_appendix

Currently, the function of the appendix, if any, remains controversial in the field of human physiology. Hypothesized functions for the appendix include lymphatic, exocrine, endocrine, and neuromuscular. However, most physicians and scientists believe the appendix lacks significant function, and that it exists primarily as a vestigial remnant of the larger cellulose-digesting cecum found in our herbivorous ancestors.

it seems that there's not a consensus. and regardless of what we *think*, it's still a natural part of the body.

 

[John Doe]

you just said it...widely popular...and popular means more people like it

i also said widely accepted and they run it into the ground, meaning they beat it to death, until it gets stale.

you see it all the time in strip clubs too, so men have some preference for it, or women wouldn't wear them

That's like saying women wear bras because men prefer them, or they use tampons because men prefer them. This is rather like the explanation of evolution I just gave. Just because men don't complain doesn't mean they actively prefer something.

i'd bet a guy would be less quick to fuck a B cup woman with extra skin

Depends on the guy. But as I said, comparing foreskin with obesity is ridiculous.

which would you pick?... a tight, buff brunette woman with B cups or a brunette woman with B cups and baggy skin?

tight and buff? I said skinny, not fit. I don't go for skinny usually. I don't know why you're obsessing with skin, but I wouldn't mind a little extra meat on her if that's what you're getting at. No one is perfect anyway.

and what should be influencing factors in one's life...personal experience or the opinions of strangers?

I don't know, you're the one who wants to study porn as a barometer of society. You tell me, which is more important to you, personal experience or the opinions of the porn industry?

But then, if you didn't want the opinions of strangers, why post the thread?

and it's not a belief...they do have smegma...that's why they have to keep them clean all the time

Women or uncircumcised men? The answer to both is yes and I would imagine you know that. It's not much of a reason by itself, especially in this country where hygeinic facilities are so widely available and readily accessible.

It's not that hard for anyone to spend a few extra minutes in the shower, and I don't recall anyone ever complaining about touching thier genitals.

 

[John Doe]

He might have liked boobs if they were AA cups - in other words mostly nipples. But no, he didn't like mine - he thought they were too big.

And no, he didn't have a problem. He was an ass man, not a boob man. It's not mandatory that everyone must like every single tiny detail of the opposite sex. I'm not really keen on balls - they're droopy, wrinkly and funny looking. There's a lot about men I do like, immensely, but there are parts I'd cut off if I were in charge of Design and Production.

An interesting proposal. Personally I might make most models hairless except for the head and eyebrows.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Exactly. I trust that our genes "know" what they're doing. Millions of years of evolution (or God) can't be wrong.

i guess you've never heard of genetic mutations

they occur naturally

or oncogenes...cancer cells that every human being has and environmental and genetic factors influence whether or not they get turned on in a person's life

what about Down's syndrome, or hydroencephaly or any other neural tube defect...or any malformation or disease

genes are coded for, but they fuck up all the time

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Topic: Men Who Obsessively Argue the Illegitimacy of Circumcision for Male Infants - Displaced Rage at their Parents?

Discuss.

 

[TumbledLove]

i guess you've never heard of genetic mutations..
they occur naturally..
genes are coded for, but they fuck up all the time

That's true. and evolution is based on which mutations are better than others. and after all of human existance, males are still born with foreskins.

 

[John Doe]

sure, one can grow accustomed to something...but seeing that you'd expect others to grow accustomed to something they don't like, when you won't even try liver or whatever else it was you said you don't like because of the way it smells when cooking...it seems a bit hypocritical on your part

you don't like something you've never experienced yet would argue over me not growing accustomed to something i've personally experienced and know for sure i don't like

You just completely missed my point, or rather you turned it completely around...

First of all it's not hypocritical because I don't expect you to grow accustomed with your son's penis, and I would hope you don't.

Secondly, refraining from eating a food myself and keeping someone else from eating it because I don't like it are two different things. If I prohibited its consumption in my presence, that would be more analogous to what you're thinking of, whereas the choice affecting only me personally would be equivalent to you prefering to only come in contact with cut penises.

And thirdly, you've said one of the reasons for your decision is what a girl might think of his penis later down the line. Well, that I imagine would be analogous to my removing any and all liver or salmon from my house on the grounds that there's a possibility that, 12, 15 or however many years down the line, another person might have dinner with me who shares my distaste.

 

[TumbledLove]

interesting..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial

although the appendix and tailbone are still controversal, some other things are not, such as: widsom teeth, an eye fold, goose bumps, etc.

the clit may be a vestigial penis. and of course, males have nipples, which seem to serve no purpose.

 

[John Doe]

To each their own, I always say.

Or to each someone else's if they're lucky.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

That's true. and evolution is based on which mutations are better than others. and after all of human existance, males are still born with foreskins.

and women are still wishing they weren't, so they get them cut off when they're born

eventually men's genes will get the picture and evolve accordingly

 

[John Doe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermiform_appendix



it seems that there's not a consensus. and regardless of what we *think*, it's still a natural part of the body.

Well aside from the fact that wikipedia is open for anyone to input whatever valid info or senseless twaddle they wish, the point still stands that the appendix isn't required for human survival, and yet it remains.

 

[John Doe]

That's true. and evolution is based on which mutations are better than others. and after all of human existance, males are still born with foreskins.

No it isn't. Evolution isn't some unseen consciousness that's window shopping the earth and cherry picking what attributes are "better."

Better is subjective. Evolution is based on a lineage developing into a form best suited to survive and thrive in its given environment. If an organ does not keep the line from continuing, then it too continues.

 

[TumbledLove]

eventually men's genes will get the picture and evolve accordingly

You really think so? Even after all these years of hacking them off? regardless, that's not how evolution works, and it's also why we don't pass learned knowledge on to offspring in the womb.

 

[John Doe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial

although the appendix and tailbone are still controversal, some other things are not, such as: widsom teeth, an eye fold, goose bumps, etc.

the clit may be a vestigial penis. and of course, males have nipples, which seem to serve no purpose.

That's not entirely accurate either. Male nipples can serve a very entertaining purpose, especially if they're pierced.

 

[TumbledLove]

Well aside from the fact that wikipedia is open for anyone to input whatever valid info or senseless twaddle they wish, the point still stands that the appendix isn't required for human survival, and yet it remains.

well, sure, legs, arms, eyes, nose, ears, etc aren't required either. and the wiki heals itself of "senseless twaddle" much better than you may think.

 

[TumbledLove]

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1175/is_n1_v29/ai_17955288

Antiadaptationists like Gould--whose thinking uncannily parallels Freud's belief that women spend their life in penis envy--hold that the clitoris is, biologically speaking, an underdeveloped penis; it can let women mimic male orgasm, but it has no functional relevance or evolutionary history of its own.

 

[John Doe]

You really think so? Even after all these years of hacking them off? regardless, that's not how evolution works, and it's also why we don't pass learned knowledge on to offspring in the womb.

Hey, you finally got one right!

Although I should tell you that there is a hypothesis that even humans have racial memories of some sort, but that they're so recessed in the genetic code that we are only subconsciously 'aware' of them (for lack of a more accurate term). This of course is merely a hypothesis.

 

[TumbledLove]

No it isn't. Evolution isn't some unseen consciousness that's window shopping the earth and cherry picking what attributes are "better."

Better is subjective. Evolution is based on a lineage developing into a form best suited to survive and thrive in its given environment. If an organ does not keep the line from continuing, then it too continues.

um, you agree with me, yet you say I'm wrong? I think you're misunderstanding my understanding of evolution.

 

[John Doe]

well, sure, legs, arms, eyes, nose, ears, etc aren't required either. and the wiki heals itself of "senseless twaddle" much better than you may think.

they are quite necessary actually, at least arms and legs. They are required to walk and run and otherwise move about, things that even now are usually prerequisites to living.Even those who are paralyzed still need to move around. They just do it on wheels instead. But their paralyzed legs don't hinder their survival. that is the point you keep missing. a trait is not eliminated from the line unless it is a hindrance, and occasionally not even then.

It is much easier for a mutation that is useless but harmless to stick than for it to go away.

And as far as wikipedia is concerned, it is easy to spot dicrepencies when you have a more reliable source handy.

For example the little blurb you quoted about Freud is wrong. He did not beleive that women had penis envy thier entire lives, but that girls usually grew out of it by the age of six.

either way, it is unfair, to say the least, to presuppose that a woman's case of penis envy is necessarily the motivation behind her decision to circumcise her son(s).

 

[John Doe]

um, you agree with me, yet you say I'm wrong? I think you're misunderstanding my understanding of evolution.

I agree that surgery does not affect DNA and that acquired knowledge is not passed on genetically from mother to child. That is all you said in the post I agreed with.

 

[Hester]

why doesn't anyone want to talk about my hymen?

i was born with it

it's natural

and yet it was taken from me

i demand an investigation!!!!!

 

[Guest]

My penis is unatractive to thegirlfriday11. I'm so sad now