circumcision...ugh

[Jeffery Dahmer]

I love foreskin, they remind me of calimari.

 

[TumbledLove]

why doesn't anyone want to talk about my hymen?

i was born with it

it's natural

It's also natural to lose your hymen at some point in your life. But, then, you know that, don't you? Are you going to say something about your baby teeth now? or maybe your umbilical cord?

 

[nitengale]

This thread needs a DNR placed upon it.

 

[EarnestImp]

and women are still wishing they weren't, so they get them cut off when they're born

eventually men's genes will get the picture and evolve accordingly

This is rubbish. Darwin postulated two forms of evolution, both of which are now recognized as correct. Natural selection (survival of the fittest), and sexual selection (female mate choice, like females preferring luxuriant peacock plumage).

Women have had a million years to sexually select men with small foreskins, so a strong female preference could easily have eliminated the foreskin, or shrunk it down.

This hasn't happened, suggesting that this preference is not intrinsic, but cultural. European women without apparent exception tend to be aghast at the thought of cutting their sons' genitals, and have no trouble dealing with foreskins.

 

[EarnestImp]

Topic: Men Who Obsessively Argue the Illegitimacy of Circumcision for Male Infants - Displaced Rage at their Parents?
Discuss.

Topic: Americans' fondness for circumcision represents a symbolic castration obsession directed at their sons, as Sigmund Freud claimed.

Discuss.

For bonus points, explain why American parents are so obsessed with their boys' genitals, to the point of having them surgically altered, when Europeans are happy just to have a normal healthy child.

 

[Xelebes]

This thread ballooned on me while I left to post on other threads. Sheesh.

 

[TumbledLove]

This thread ballooned on me while I left to post on other threads. Sheesh.

Here's the summary.. we've all become good friends, and agree that circumcision is wrong.

 

[xadin]

i dont know whether this has been said or not cause i really didnt feel like reading this whole thread, cause some of the arguments are really dumb. but did you ever think about the fact that a circumcised penis will become less sensitive over time and therefor he will get less pleasure out of sex and stimulation in general. i mean come on thats what the forskin is there for in the first place. to keep it nice and sensitive so when you go to get it on it feels damn good

 

[John Doe]

why doesn't anyone want to talk about my hymen?

i was born with it

it's natural

and yet it was taken from me

i demand an investigation!!!!!

Were you raped? If not then it's not even remotely comparable.

And aside from the consent issue, you're supposed to have your hymen proken eventually, from an evolutionary standpoint, to breed. However a foreskin does not usually fall off after the first time a man has sex.

 

[John Doe]

i dont know whether this has been said or not cause i really didnt feel like reading this whole thread, cause some of the arguments are really dumb. but did you ever think about the fact that a circumcised penis will become less sensitive over time and therefor he will get less pleasure out of sex and stimulation in general. i mean come on thats what the forskin is there for in the first place. to keep it nice and sensitive so when you go to get it on it feels damn good

This argument has been made before in other discussions, but quite often the reply (from mostl women of course) is that more sensitivity is actually a drawback to foreskin (so to speak). The assumption being that it make a man ejaculate more quickly, that he would be 'quick on the draw' as it were. This of course is totally false, and if anything somewhat the opposite of reality.

 

[EarnestImp]

This argument has been made before in other discussions, but quite often the reply (from mostl women of course) is that more sensitivity is actually a drawback to foreskin (so to speak)....

FWIW, Richard Burton was a Victorian adventurer who spoke dozens of languages and explored much of the East. He was also a major league sexual adventurer, and one of the first to translate '1001 Arabian Nights' (the raunchy version). An amazing guy, who put fictional girly-boys like Indiana Jones and Flashman to shame. To pass as a Moslem and gain entrance to Mecca, he had himself circumcised, and he really regretted it years afterwards. In his memoirs he wrote: "Male circumcision makes love slow and difficult. For the softness of the gland is hardened by friction, hence coitus is painful, slow, and not energetic enough." (source: Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton, by Edward Rice).

 

[TheOlderGuy]

It's quite sad that in these times
anyone would still consider
performing such a barbaric act on their infant.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

a circumcision poem

it's quite sad that in these times people obsess over circumcision
it's quite sad that in these times that they fret over anothers' decision.

it's quite sad that in these times people create such a din
over whether a mother should choose to decide what to do 'bout her son's foreskin.

it's quite sad that in these times that people get so irate
and turn a circumcision thread into a 30 page debate.

it's quite sad that in these times people call circumcision barbaric
and get completely bent out of shape by a decision that's esoteric.

and it's quite sad that in these times that people act so silly
when a mother decides to have extra skin removed from her son's willy.

 

[nitengale]

Well said girlfriday!

 

[John Doe]

a circumcision poem

it's quite sad that in these times people obsess over circumcision
it's quite sad that in these times that they fret over anothers' decision.

it's quite sad that in these times people create such a din
over whether a mother should choose to decide what to do 'bout her son's foreskin.

it's quite sad that in these times that people get so irate
and turn a circumcision thread into a 30 page debate.

it's quite sad that in these times people call circumcision barbaric
and get completely bent out of shape by a decision that's esoteric.

and it's quite sad that in these times that people act so silly
when a mother decides to have extra skin removed from her son's willy.

Ironically, most of statements apply to you, not anyone else in this thread. And if it's just esoteric, then it's not that urgent that it needs to be done on the first or second day.

And it's not "extra" skin. If it were, the operation would add it, not remove it.

oh and I just noticed that apparently the father doesn't have any say. That makes a lot of sense.

 

[SweetBrie]

When my son was born the hospital we were at didn't do circumcisions right away. It was something that you did after you left the hospital. We took him to a doctor who specialized in circumcisions and did them in his office. My son only cried for about 5 minutes than everything was fine.

 

[SweetBrie]

a circumcision poem

it's quite sad that in these times people obsess over circumcision
it's quite sad that in these times that they fret over anothers' decision.

it's quite sad that in these times people create such a din
over whether a mother should choose to decide what to do 'bout her son's foreskin.

it's quite sad that in these times that people get so irate
and turn a circumcision thread into a 30 page debate.

it's quite sad that in these times people call circumcision barbaric
and get completely bent out of shape by a decision that's esoteric.

and it's quite sad that in these times that people act so silly
when a mother decides to have extra skin removed from her son's willy.

LOL that is great.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Well said girlfriday!

sankyou berry, berry, much

When my son was born the hospital we were at didn't do circumcisions right away. It was something that you did after you left the hospital. We took him to a doctor who specialized in circumcisions and did them in his office. My son only cried for about 5 minutes than everything was fine.

and that's about as traumatic as it gets...ever

LOL that is great.

thankyou

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Ironically, most of statements apply to you, not anyone else in this thread. And if it's just esoteric, then it's not that urgent that it needs to be done on the first or second day.

And it's not "extra" skin. If it were, the operation would add it, not remove it.

oh and I just noticed that apparently the father doesn't have any say. That makes a lot of sense.

seems to me that you must have extra skin with some saggage
but good news! you've a place you can store your emotional baggage!

 

[John Doe]

When my son was born the hospital we were at didn't do circumcisions right away. It was something that you did after you left the hospital. We took him to a doctor who specialized in circumcisions and did them in his office. My son only cried for about 5 minutes than everything was fine.

Just to give you an idea of how truly ridiculous and callous this story sounds, let me change a few of the key words here...

When my wife was raped he didn't do it in the alley right away. It was something that he did after they left the alley. He took her to his house and did her in his office. My wife only cried for about 5 minutes than everything was fine.

And that's about as traumatic as it gets...ever.

And yes, I am aware I exaggerated. It was emphasis, as the proponents of this procedure (predominantly women in this thread so far, hmmm just coincidence right?) don't seem to fully grasp that they are having a part of someone's body removed for no valid medical reason whatsoever.

It's analogous to removing a woman's breasts when she turns 16 because she might someday develop breast cancer.

 

[John Doe]

seems to me that you must have extra skin with some saggage
but good news! you've a place you can store your emotional baggage!

Why would I have a complex about something I was born with, especially when 90% of the world's women would think I'm perfectly normal having it?

It seems odd to me that you or anyone else for that matter, to react to an uncircumcised penis as though it's a freak of nature, when by definition it is quite the opposite.

 

[EarnestImp]

a circumcision poem

it's quite sad that in these times people obsess over circumcision
it's quite sad that in these times that they fret over anothers' decision.
.

Wow. You really are obsessed.

Just how long did you spend writing this bad Vogon foreskin poetry?

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Why would I have a complex about something I was born with, especially when 90% of the world's women would think I'm perfectly normal having it?

It seems odd to me that you or anyone else for that matter, to react to an uncircumcised penis as though it's a freak of nature, when by definition it is quite the opposite.

i don't think it's a freak of nature, i think it's ugly

and if aesthetics weren't a factor in this world, plastic surgeons wouldn't exist

would you rant and rave at parents who decide to have braces put on their children's teeth? or at parents who decide to have rhinoplasty performed on their child if their nose is too large?
what about the parents who have large birthmarks removed from the children's faces or bodies...does that bother you too?
or what about kids who are born with extra toes or fingers who's parents have them removed? or even large benign skin tumors that won't cause any physiological damage?

and why don't we see any circumcised men with issues over being circumcised?

why is it that it's the uncut men who get so bent out of shape?

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Wow. You really are obsessed.

Just how long did you spend writing this bad Vogon foreskin poetry?

oh...about two and a half minutes

it's not obsessing, it's called poking fun and pointing out ridiculousness

 

[John Doe]

i don't think it's a freak of nature, i think it's ugly

That's like saying a wall isn't greenish blue, it's aquamarine.

And anyway, does it really not seem at all selfish and pity to you to have this done because you think it's "ugly"? Talk about emotional baggage.

and if aesthetics weren't a factor in this world, plastic surgeons wouldn't exist

Yes, but the major difference being that most plastic surgery is done with consent from the patient. And some of it is reconstructive, not merely to give someone larger breasts or whatever.

would you rant and rave at parents who decide to have braces put on their children's teeth? or at parents who decide to have rhinoplasty performed on their child if their nose is too large?

Braces? No, but that's different, because crooked teeth can actually cause problems. Mine are crooked, but I can't afford braces right now. I'd probably get them if I could.

Rhinoplasty is more analogous. It is also pruely cosmetic in most cases.

what about the parents who have large birthmarks removed from the children's faces or bodies...does that bother you too?

Yes. Borthmakrs can be very interesting anyway. I have one that looks like Pleiades.

or what about kids who are born with extra toes or fingers who's parents have them removed? or even large benign skin tumors that won't cause any physiological damage?

there is no valid medical reason for the removal of either that I am aware of, so yes.

and why don't we see any circumcised men with issues over being circumcised?

Probably because we do. At least one in this thread so far. Underwhelming empirical evidence I grant you, but it does mean your statement is incorrect. Now who's not reading the thread?

why is it that it's the uncut men who get so bent out of shape?

Bent out of shape? Hardly anyone here except you and a few of your supporters have shown any emotion regarding the issue.

But maybe the reason we some of us argue against it or ask you to think twice is because we know what the other guys are missing?