circumcision...ugh

thegirlfriday11 said:
oh...about two and a half minutes

it's not obsessing, it's called poking fun and pointing out ridiculousness

This is priceless. What you just said is more reasonably applicable to the posts of nearly everyone else in this thread than what you have been saying.
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
and why don't we see any circumcised men with issues over being circumcised?

why is it that it's the uncut men who get so bent out of shape?

Don't make too many assumptions. There are lots of circ'ed men pissed off at being circed.

www.norm.org is the most extreme example, but without survey data you have no idea how men are happy/unhappy with it. You are just guessing.

Of course, you (and others here) are engaging in the following argument:

1) There are no circ'ed men who have an issue with it.
2) But any men who do have an issue with it have something wrong with them.

Essentially, you are leaving no room for anyone to disagree with you.

It seems to be legitimate for women to have an obsession with the appearance of their boys' genitals, but illegitimate for men to have a comparable concern with their own genital integrity. You have to be fair and allow for the possibility that a man might want not to be circed (it's his body) just as strongly as you want men (or a man) to be circed.
 
Stuponfucious said:
This is priceless. What you just said is more reasonably applicable to the posts of nearly everyone else in this thread than what you have been saying.

what's priceless and ridiculous is that a thread about circumcision is 30 pages long

it's as long as the schiavo thread

i can understand a long, passionate debate by right-to-lifers
....but not one by right-to-foreskin lifers... give me a break

i've been laughing my ass off since page 2

you extremists crack me up
 
I can't believe the ignorance that is displayed here. Would you also be laughing if this was a thread about female "issues"? Why do you think you as a woman have any right to tell a man how he is supposed to feel, or not feel about what was done to him as an infant? How would you as a woman react if a guy told you to just "get over" the pain of child birth, and "hey, it can't be THAT bad, straighten up". I know most women (including me) tend to get rather annoyed if guys comment on female issues as if they were specialists.

If you seriously think circumcision does NOT affect sensitivity in MANY men, you have no clue. Maybe not in every man, maybe not even in the majority of men (but how would they know, anyway?), but definitely for many. Still think it's ok??

:rolleyes:
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
what's priceless and ridiculous is that a thread about circumcision is 30 pages long

it's as long as the schiavo thread

i can understand a long, passionate debate by right-to-lifers
....but not one by right-to-foreskin lifers... give me a break

i've been laughing my ass off since page 2

you extremists crack me up

And the only extremists I see in this thread, are the pro-circ-militants. And, they DO use the fricking SAME reasoning like the pro-female-circumcision extremists in Africa.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
hislove66 said:
I can't believe the ignorance that is displayed here. Would you also be laughing if this was a thread about female "issues"? Why do you think you as a woman have any right to tell a man how he is supposed to feel, or not feel about what was done to him as an infant? How would you as a woman react if a guy told you to just "get over" the pain of child birth, and "hey, it can't be THAT bad, straighten up". I know most women (including me) tend to get rather annoyed if guys comment on female issues as if they were specialists.

yes, i'd still be laughing
if you can find anyone who can remember any event on the first two days of their birth, maybe i'll be more serious

i do have to get over the pain of childbirth
and guess what...it won't kill me or emotionally scar me

hislove66 said:
If you seriously think circumcision does NOT affect sensitivity in MANY men, you have no clue. Maybe not in every man, maybe not even in the majority of men (but how would they know, anyway?), but definitely for many. Still think it's ok??

:rolleyes:

yup, i sure do
 
hislove66 said:
And the only extremists I see in this thread, are the pro-circ-militants. And, they DO use the fricking SAME reasoning like the pro-female-circumcision extremists in Africa.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:


oh cry me a river

boo hoo hoo hoo hoo
 
TheOlderGuy said:
and would you feel just as cheerfully ignorant about routine clitorectomies?


a clitorectomy is an entirely different procedure

the clit is the sexual organ, if you want to compare a clitorectomy to an equivalent procedure, you'd have to cut the penis off, not just the baggy skin on it...a penis has no problem being stimulated after circumcision, a clitorectomy removes the whole organ, nerves and all
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
what's priceless and ridiculous is that a thread about circumcision is 30 pages long

Do you even remember who posted the thread in the first place? Why did you start it if you didn't want people to talk about it?

it's as long as the schiavo thread

i can understand a long, passionate debate by right-to-lifers
....but not one by right-to-foreskin lifers... give me a break

i've been laughing my ass off since page 2

Tha Shiavo debate was ridiculous because there was no doubt she ahd been brain dead for years. The only reason to keep her body on life support would be for organ donation and that doesn't take nearly as long.

In any case, I
'm not surprised you would take so lightly an issue that is supposedly about your son's health and future socail well-being. this tells me that either when you say that, its bullshit and it's really just cosmetic or that it's not really thazt important to you.

you extremists crack me up

You really need to et some perspective. The people who are arguing that a person should have to give consent for the permanent modification of their body are the extremists while the ones who think of foreskin as merely an inconvenioent, even offensive portion of skin aren't extremists? Last time I checked cutting bbpdy parts off for no reason was pretty extreme.

And as for as the comparions to a clitoredectomy, yes you're right. But it's still illegal to trim or remove the labia, which would be a more accurate anatomical comparison. However if you are comparing them based on sensation and nerve concentration, the foreskin is the most sensitive part of the penis. just as the clitoris is the most sensitive part of female genitals. Although I should note that sometimes the entire penis is removed accidentally during circumcision procedures.

As far as the penis having no problem being stimulated once it's circumcised, this is true for the most part, but of course subjective. However it is interesting to note that men who are circumcised as adults usually report that there is less sensation.
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
a clitorectomy is an entirely different procedure

the clit is the sexual organ, if you want to compare a clitorectomy to an equivalent procedure, you'd have to cut the penis off, not just the baggy skin on it...a penis has no problem being stimulated after circumcision, a clitorectomy removes the whole organ, nerves and all



so you WOULD endorse routine removal of the clitoral hood? cause they ARE so ugly . . .
 
TheOlderGuy said:
so you WOULD endorse routine removal of the clitoral hood? cause they ARE so ugly . . .


i don't think they're ugly, so i don't see the need, but if you do, by all means, have it done to your daughter, it makes no bit of difference to me whatsoever
 
Stuponfucious said:
Do you even remember who posted the thread in the first place? Why did you start it if you didn't want people to talk about it?

well let's start at the beginning, idiot

since the thread was about whether to have the circumcision on the first or second day...not whether or not it should be done
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
i don't think they're ugly, so i don't see the need, but if you do, by all means, have it done to your daughter, it makes no bit of difference to me whatsoever




god help your children
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
well let's start at the beginning, idiot

since the thread was about whether to have the circumcision on the first or second day...not whether or not it should be done

That's a bullshit excuse because it makes no difference whether it's on one day or the day after that.
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
i don't think they're ugly, so i don't see the need, but if you do, by all means, have it done to your daughter, it makes no bit of difference to me whatsoever

Well, I certainly can't argue with that. one of the things that bothers me about the issue is the gender based double standard, but this wasn't exactly what I had in mind...
 
ha

I love the fact that the original poster is still here, and even was moved to write a poem!! that's super. :D
 
thegirlfriday11 said:
and why don't we see any circumcised men with issues over being circumcised? why is it that it's the uncut men who get so bent out of shape?
hey, cuntface, I'm circumcised. and I don't like that it was done without my consent. even if only 1 in million men feel this way, that's one too many, and is reason enough to stop doing it to babies.
 
TheOlderGuy said:
hey! can i get mine done, too?

If I go with you, do you think we can get a two for one deal?

Those pesky retractable clitoral hoods are a health hazard; it is such a chore to make sure everything is clean underneath it. Much better if I just get rid of it. Come to think of it, I'm generally tired of cleaning among all those folds to avoid the build up of smegma, and, therefore, cause an infection. Maybe I should just get rid of it all. It's not like I need it. I'll still have my clitoris for pleasure.

They should do standard clitoral hood removal in hospitals, not just male foreskin. Why discriminate?

Seriously, male circumcision makes about as much sense as female clitoral hood removal, i.e. no sense.
 
another good reason for a ballectomy, is that balls can make men very vulnerable and can induce great pain (bike accidents, getting kicked, etc). Nobody should wish that on their son.

and, they're ugly.

not to mention that busy moms (such as girlfriday), won't be inconvienenced by having to chase their son around and make sure his balls are clean. yep, a real time-saver.
 
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