*chuckle* Instead of more coverage, you get less. Government in a nutshell...

[jeninflorida]

I think that we can all agree, that shit adds more value then the obama

 

[julybaby04]

No, Dr Carson was not brave at all. He ambushed the President with a political lecture at a non-fucking-political prayer event that has brought both parties together for thirty years. It was cowardly and inappropriate to abuse the intent of that forum, especially when he knew Obama could not respond to him.

Your definition of "fortitude" is pathetic. Imagine if some Democrat took a moment to speak out against Bush's policies at Jenna Bush's wedding reception, okay?

I found it quite nice to have Obama have to sit and listen, without the chance to respond....to the truth! Obama needed to hear what people...those who do not agree with anything he is doing....really feel about this crazy trail he is forcing us down.

As far as your outrage at Carson's timing and place he chose to share, I do not recall any outrage at the speech Obama gave at his inauguration. No one was allowed to respond then. His speech was nothing that even remotely resembled a speech of partisanship. It was a campaign speech and was disgusting to listen to.

I am sure you disagree as you believe everything he says and agree with it all. For those who gave a differing opinion, Carson was a breath of fresh air.

I hope you will not say that a dem would never take an opportunity as Carson did. Dens do it every single day with the direct help of the media who also adore Obama.

This country deserves what it gets.

 

[mercury14]

I found it quite nice to have Obama have to sit and listen, without the chance to respond....to the truth! Obama needed to hear what people...those who do not agree with anything he is doing....really feel about this crazy trail he is forcing us down.

As far as your outrage at Carson's timing and place he chose to share, I do not recall any outrage at the speech Obama gave at his inauguration. No one was allowed to respond then. His speech was nothing that even remotely resembled a speech of partisanship. It was a campaign speech and was disgusting to listen to.

I am sure you disagree as you believe everything he says and agree with it all. For those who gave a differing opinion, Carson was a breath of fresh air.

This country deserves what it gets.

I don't agree with what you're saying because you're basing it on false equivalencies. A non-partisan prayer event is nothing like an inauguration where the president is free to talk about his values and his agenda that directly led him to be reelected and inaugurated. You're free to dislike Obama's agenda but the fact is many presidents use their inauguration speech to talk about ways to make America better. One thing is an appropriate forum for politics while the other is no place for politics at all.

And while I'm sure you had an emotional "yeah look at him lecture Obama" response, the fact is it was a cowardly ambush that took advantage of the prayerful intent, twisting the intent of spiritual and religious unity into political bullshit. The event was a time for religious dialogue and prayer; Dr. Carson's speech was neither. And no, Dems do not do this every day. I can't think of a Dem ever doing it.

That aside, his medical plan is horrid. He advocates for everyone paying out of pocket for everything, getting modest tax subsidies along the way. And if you'r medical bills exceed what you can pay, well you're shit out of luck. Your dumb ass should have been born into a country with universal health care!

 

[mercury14]

And Dr. Carson wants to put private insurance companies out of business. If the system revolves around everyone having a pretax FSA then in insurance industry will collapse overnight. Conservatives keep (wrongly) saying that Obamacare will do this; now when one of their own definitely wants to wipe out the industry, well the idea is so good it's time to make him president!

Hypocrites.

 

[julybaby04]

I don't agree with what you're saying because you're basing it on false equivalencies. A non-partisan prayer event is nothing like an inauguration where the president is free to talk about his values and his agenda that directly led him to be reelected and inaugurated. You're free to dislike Obama's agenda but the fact is many presidents use their inauguration speech to talk about ways to make America better. One thing is an appropriate forum for politics while the other is no place for politics at all.

And while I'm sure you had an emotional "yeah look at him lecture Obama" response, the fact is it was a cowardly ambush that took advantage of the prayerful intent, twisting the intent of spiritual and religious unity into political bullshit. The event was a time for religious dialogue and prayer; Dr. Carson's speech was neither. And no, Dems do not do this every day. I can't think of a Dem ever doing it.

That aside, his medical plan is horrid. He advocates for everyone paying out of pocket for everything, getting modest tax subsidies along the way. And if you'r medical bills exceed what you can pay, well you're shit out of luck. Your dumb ass should have been born into a country with universal health care!

I don't see it as you do.....we will have to agree to disagree on that.

But for the record, just to refresh your memory, democrats chose a completely inappropriate place to have a rally......Wellstone's funeral....(link is here for you to read).

http://planetpreterist.com/content/democrats-turn-wellstone-funeral-political-rally

Both sides do it. You might not like Carson doing it at the prayer breakfast, but to be honest, that is probably the only time obama has had to sit and listen to someone who opposes his views.

Even during the inauguration speech, he could have done like say, Kennedy, with the famous "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".....even THAT would have been a step in the right direction. He knows that roughly half this country disagrees with him completely....he could have taken the opportunity to help unite, instead he chose to divide further.

On the subject of health care....we do agree. I do not like eveything Carson wanted to do, but it is better than what Obama wants. Obama should have, had he truly wanted to revamp.....he should have left those with healthcare alone and make a plan for those without any coverage. Instead he is ruining everyone's healthcare and will make it completely unaffordable for everyone. Universal is just not the way......America is better than that and can find a way without a "one -size fits all" attitude.

 

[SBroadB9]

I don't see it as you do.....we will have to agree to disagree on that.

But for the record, just to refresh your memory, democrats chose a completely inappropriate place to have a rally......Wellstone's funeral....(link is here for you to read).

http://planetpreterist.com/content/democrats-turn-wellstone-funeral-political-rally

Both sides do it. You might not like Carson doing it at the prayer breakfast, but to be honest, that is probably the only time obama has had to sit and listen to someone who opposes his views.

Even during the inauguration speech, he could have done like say, Kennedy, with the famous "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".....even THAT would have been a step in the right direction. He knows that roughly half this country disagrees with him completely....he could have taken the opportunity to help unite, instead he chose to divide further.

On the subject of health care....we do agree. I do not like eveything Carson wanted to do, but it is better than what Obama wants. Obama should have, had he truly wanted to revamp.....he should have left those with healthcare alone and make a plan for those without any coverage. Instead he is ruining everyone's healthcare and will make it completely unaffordable for everyone. Universal is just not the way......America is better than that and can find a way without a "one -size fits all" attitude.

On healthcare, our company's insurance advisor made a presentation today to us on what will happen next year, when Obama's plan goes into force. It is going to be horrible. Everyone in our company is going to suffer, a lot.

 

[Lorilei]

I found it quite nice to have Obama have to sit and listen, without the chance to respond....to the truth! Obama needed to hear what people...those who do not agree with anything he is doing....really feel about this crazy trail he is forcing us down.

As far as your outrage at Carson's timing and place he chose to share, I do not recall any outrage at the speech Obama gave at his inauguration. No one was allowed to respond then. His speech was nothing that even remotely resembled a speech of partisanship. It was a campaign speech and was disgusting to listen to.

I am sure you disagree as you believe everything he says and agree with it all. For those who gave a differing opinion, Carson was a breath of fresh air.

I hope you will not say that a dem would never take an opportunity as Carson did. Dens do it every single day with the direct help of the media who also adore Obama.

This country deserves what it gets.

LOL, what? Why would there be? They are not equivalent, by any stretch of the imagination.

Honey, are you functionally intellectually disabled? Because if so, you're owed some kindness. Otherwise, you're just dumb. And much like you refer to our country, you deserve what you get.

 

[julybaby04]

LOL, what? Why would there be? They are not equivalent, by any stretch of the imagination.

Honey, are you functionally intellectually disabled? Because if so, you're owed some kindness. Otherwise, you're just dumb. And much like you refer to our country, you deserve what you get.

So much that you need to hear....but I shall leave it at this....

I just feel sorry for you. No anger, no other emotion...just feel very very sorry for you.

 

[julybaby04]

On healthcare, our company's insurance advisor made a presentation today to us on what will happen next year, when Obama's plan goes into force. It is going to be horrible. Everyone in our company is going to suffer, a lot.

I am sure you are one of many. So sorry you and your fellow employees are going to suffer.

 

[Lorilei]

So much that you need to hear....but I shall leave it at this....

I just feel sorry for you. No anger, no other emotion...just feel very very sorry for you.

Don't waste your energy, hypocrite. I, and my great country, will be just fine without you. I feel sorry for you, too. It must be awful to live in your scary paranoid world!

I'll pray for you.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I don't see it as you do.....we will have to agree to disagree on that.

But for the record, just to refresh your memory, democrats chose a completely inappropriate place to have a rally......Wellstone's funeral....(link is here for you to read).

http://planetpreterist.com/content/democrats-turn-wellstone-funeral-political-rally

Both sides do it. You might not like Carson doing it at the prayer breakfast, but to be honest, that is probably the only time obama has had to sit and listen to someone who opposes his views.

Even during the inauguration speech, he could have done like say, Kennedy, with the famous "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".....even THAT would have been a step in the right direction. He knows that roughly half this country disagrees with him completely....he could have taken the opportunity to help unite, instead he chose to divide further.

On the subject of health care....we do agree. I do not like eveything Carson wanted to do, but it is better than what Obama wants. Obama should have, had he truly wanted to revamp.....he should have left those with healthcare alone and make a plan for those without any coverage. Instead he is ruining everyone's healthcare and will make it completely unaffordable for everyone. Universal is just not the way......America is better than that and can find a way without a "one -size fits all" attitude.

Ah yes, the Wellstone funeral.

There's a great deal of similarity between "Doctor" Carson's carefully planned hit job and a spontaneous outpouring of affection at the funeral of a man who died unexpectedly.

And you are mistaken...universal health care IS the way.

No man, woman or child should ever have to suffer for your political grandstanding.

 

[the_kuntess]

And you are mistaken...universal health care IS the way.

How the hell has the US got this far without it?

 

[Sean]

How the hell has the US got this far without it?

By bankrupting tens of thousands of ordinary people, enriching a bunch of parasitic scumbags that prey on the sick and fooling morons into thinking that a national health service is somehow a communist plot to destroy murrikah.

 

[julybaby04]

Ah yes, the Wellstone funeral.

There's a great deal of similarity between "Doctor" Carson's carefully planned hit job and a spontaneous outpouring of affection at the funeral of a man who died unexpectedly.

And you are mistaken...universal health care IS the way.

No man, woman or child should ever have to suffer for your political grandstanding.

Just showing....both sides are equally capable....

I suppose we all will get to see how great this universal health care will be. My opinions will do nothing to change it....but I can promise I will make sure my family's health is taken care of....in spite of the great health coverage we all will be forced to have!

 

[julybaby04]

Don't waste your energy, hypocrite. I, and my great country, will be just fine without you. I feel sorry for you, too. It must be awful to live in your scary paranoid world!

I'll pray for you.

I am beyond blessed. Thank you for your prayers. I will continue mine for you as well.

 

[Lorilei]

 

[mercury14]

But for the record, just to refresh your memory, democrats chose a completely inappropriate place to have a rally......Wellstone's funeral....(link is here for you to read).

http://planetpreterist.com/content/democrats-turn-wellstone-funeral-political-rally

1. The speaker who said political stuff was not a politician or a Democratic operative. He was just a friend who believed in the dead guy's causes and got emotional about them at a funeral.

2. The only Democrats even there were Minnesota state Reps. They hardly represent the national Democratic party.

Both sides do it. You might not like Carson doing it at the prayer breakfast, but to be honest, that is probably the only time obama has had to sit and listen to someone who opposes his views.

Obama just came off an election cycle where he had to sit and listen to someone who opposes his views and he listens to congress do it all the time both formally and informally. I'm sorry July, you're just flat wrong on facts. This isn't a matter of opinion, you're just wrong.

Even during the inauguration speech, he could have done like say, Kennedy, with the famous "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".....even THAT would have been a step in the right direction. He knows that roughly half this country disagrees with him completely....he could have taken the opportunity to help unite, instead he chose to divide further.

You don't understand. Republicans will never be united under Obama. They literally hate him. Even when Obama supports Republican policies they oppose him. They will always call him a divider even when Obama has broad support of Americans for his policies. It's bullshit.

On the subject of health care....we do agree. I do not like eveything Carson wanted to do, but it is better than what Obama wants. Obama should have, had he truly wanted to revamp.....he should have left those with healthcare alone and make a plan for those without any coverage. Instead he is ruining everyone's healthcare and will make it completely unaffordable for everyone. Universal is just not the way......America is better than that and can find a way without a "one -size fits all" attitude.

Obamacare IS a plan for those without coverage. And there's no other way to do it other than mandated coverage that includes healthy people. Not without exploding the deficit by just giving away a lot of free stuff (ie Medicaid for everyone who doesn't have employer insurance), and then there would be no reason for employers to provide insurance and *poof*, you just created single payer universal coverage.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

do I really believe that nobody from the union world bothered to read the proposition until recently?
hahahaha... "listen guys.. this was A LOT of paper.. let's just vote so we can get back to our break.."
lol.. really?

Not just the Unions...

Nancy Pelosi, we'll have to pass it to see what's in it.

This production brought to you by the people who run the Post Office and brought you Head Start.

The good news is that the government and the Post Office have a new plan to rescue the Federal Mail... a new clothing line.

Double *chuckle*

*****

Back in 1951 Mises wrote in "Socialism" that its adherents could not adequately defend their economics so they resorted to name-calling, ridicule and ad hominem attacks. He also pointed out how their variant and interim forms hid behind the definition of Socialism to prove they were not Socialists, even though that was the goal.

Even though I have the Socialist bullies on ignore, I'll bet there's a lot of that going on in the thread along with just a plethora of cherry picking and deflection, why even yesterday on one of the right-wing websites, I was reading of a doctor who loves Obamacare because its going to work for the patient by turning the doctor into a virtual automaton which, as we see in California, can be replaced by either a cheaper nurse practitioner or an even cheaper tech with a laptop and IBM's newest diagnosis software.

As Hoffer points out, the intellectual class loves Socialism because Socialism needs their guidance and enriches and empowers them even as it destroys the life of the common man who is turned into the subject of nothing more than a huge egalitarian social experiment. Why they hate and detest Capitalism, that which gave the average man nothing but continual improvement in his life and condition is because Capitalism, is a truer democracy in which the common man votes the direction of his society with his money and that money does not flow to he intellectual class, so they turn to the faux Democracy of voting to loot others to improve your lot, which, btw, is a Ponzi...

 

[mercury14]

That's right AJ, giving people access to health care they need to survive is clearly going to destroy them.

 

[mercury14]

On healthcare, our company's insurance advisor made a presentation today to us on what will happen next year, when Obama's plan goes into force. It is going to be horrible. Everyone in our company is going to suffer, a lot.

Care to elaborate or are you going to just stick with nonspecific hysterics?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Not content to limit their assault on the second amendment and the hated rw-gun, they expand to go after the first amendment and the hated rw-"Bibles..."

Andrew Cuomo’s Radical Abortion Regime
The Editors, NRO
February 20, 2013

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo seeks to impose a radical new abortion regime on the state, one that goes far beyond the euphemistic byword “choice.” The bill would in fact limit many choices, for instance the choice of Catholic hospitals and other institutions with moral objections to decline to allow abortions to be performed in their facilities. It would limit the choices of organizations that counsel pregnant women if their counseling were held to be insufficiently enthusiastic about abortion. It would limit the choices of organizations that seek to help women in crisis without involving themselves in the politics of abortion.

The anodyne-sounding “Reproductive Health Act” is a very bad proposal indeed. Where it regulates, it regulates the wrong parties in the wrong way. But it also deregulates with equal disregard: It would among other things allow persons other than physicians to perform abortions. That is an innovation borrowed from Jerry Brown’s California, where midwives and nurses are permitted to perform abortions. The State of New York will not permit a burly man to lift a box without a state permit to operate a moving company, but gynecological surgery apparently is to be considered a matter for immediate regulatory relief.

New York does not want for access to abortion. Two in five pregnancies end in abortion in New York City; the rate for black women is 60 percent. The statewide figures are lower, but they are high enough. There are about 250 abortion clinics in the state, and 93 percent of the state’s women live in a county that is home to an abortion facility, according to the Guttmacher Institute. Nationally, abortion kills the equivalent of the combined populations of Atlanta and Cleveland every year. All that with no help from Governor Cuomo.

Governor Cuomo’s bill is not about easing access to abortion — those bloody skids already are well-greased. The issue is political domination. The abortion party does not brook resistance, and it steadfastly seeks to ensure that everybody has a hand in its grisly business: taxpayers, employers, priests. All must be implicated. If a religious hospital declines to provide abortions, then it must be forced to do so. If a counseling center treats adoption as preferable to abortion, it will either change its mind or have its mind changed for it by the gentle persuasion of the State of New York.

Like the abortion provisions in the Patient Protection Act, Governor Cuomo’s proposal is a gross assault on individual liberties. The free exercise of religion requires that institutions not be forced to violate their precepts and their consciences; freedom of speech means that counseling services must be free to express their views, regardless of whether those views are welcome in Albany. Even those who support the right to abortion ought to be able to appreciate that “choice” also applies to those who do not wish to provide abortions, to house abortionists, or to finance them.

Governor Cuomo began his term in a conciliatory fashion, concentrating on nuts-and-bolts issues related to budgets and state services. He presented himself as a moderate, and was welcomed as one. The lesson he apparently has drawn from the reelection of Barack Obama is that being a cultural lightning rod can pay political dividends if you know how to run the game. That sort of calculation on a run-of-the-mill political issue would be merely cynical; in this case, it is monstrous.

No woman in New York is being denied an abortion because of public policy. But Governor Cuomo’s proposal will ensure that many vulnerable women and children are denied much-needed services and care. It will do so by forcing many providers of health care and social services out of the business. Just as the Diocese of Boston dropped its adoption program rather than comply with Massachusetts’s demand that it place children into same-sex households, agencies providing services to women will direct their resources elsewhere rather than become involved in abortion. The Catholic Archdiocese of New York alone operates about 90 social-service institutions—and Governor Cuomo apparently is willing to sacrifice the people who rely on them in order to advance his political career. Perhaps the next time Governor Cuomo arranges to have his picture taken in front of the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Albany, Bishop Hubbard will ask him about that.

 

[mercury14]

Not content to limit their assault on the second amendment and the hated rw-gun, they expand to go after the first amendment and the hated rw-"Bibles..."

Andrew Cuomo’s Radical Abortion Regime
The Editors, NRO
February 20, 2013

And that has what to do with health care reform?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
http://moonbattery.com/Melowese-Richardson.jpg
That's what I voted for!
6 TIMES!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

http://up.xhamster.com/000/023/977/027_1000.jpg
60% Abortion Rate???
IS THAT the white man out to get you?




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[4est_4est_Gump]

http://up.xhamster.com/000/022/767/104_1000.jpg
I think we need an Abortion Tax!