Can't blame the sniper anymore

Thrillhouse

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Does anyone know if the alleged Beltway Sniper legally owned his weapons, or were they stolen, unregistered, etc.? Just curious.



Yes, It Was a Bushmaster

October 25, 2002

Dear friends,

Yesterday, Larry Bennett, a 16-year old, was shot in the head after he was
involved in a minor traffic accident. You probably didn't hear about it
because, well, how could he be dead if he wasn't shot by The Sniper?

Yesterday, an unidentified woman was shot to death in her car in Fenton,
MI. You probably didn't hear about it because she had the misfortune of not
being shot by The Sniper.

Two nights ago, Charles D. Bennett, 48, an apartment security guard, was
shot to death after confronting two teenagers in his parking lot in
Memphis, TN. You probably didn't hear about it because the sniper was too
busy sleeping in his car that night, and thus, poor Charles was not shot by
The Sniper.

Yes, The Sniper has apparently been caught, so we can go back now to NOT
reporting the DOZENS of gun deaths that occur every day, the ones that just
aren't newsworthy because they happen in all those old boring ways --
unlike the ways of The Sniper, who was interesting and creative and
exciting and scary! He played so much better on the news.

Of course, had Congress not caved in to the NRA, we would have known after
the first HOUR of the first day of the killings three weeks ago that the
rifle those bullets were coming out of belonged to John Williams/Mohammad.
Many more people died needlessly after that day, and every one of their
deaths could have probably been prevented had we had a national ballistics
fingerprinting data base.

Thank you, Mr. Heston for this unnecessary carnage. Thank you, Mr. Bush,
for supporting Mr. Heston and his group's agenda -- which protects only the
criminals.

If everyone reading this letter (and you now number in the millions) would
share this fact with just one person who is thinking of skipping going to
the polls on Nov. 5th, I believe that on Nov. 6th, Mr. Bush will have
neither the Senate nor the House doing his or Heston's bidding. Americans
don't like people who assist serial killers in being able to ratchet up
their kills because The Sniper knows that his bullets are prohibited by law
from being traced to his gun.

That, in a nutshell, is what the NRA is all about -- and I implore all
responsible gun owners and hunters to join with me in putting an end to the
NRA agenda once and for all. Don't give Bush his majority on November 5th.
He's already seen to it that his cronies in big business have wiped out
your 401 (K), and they are doing their best to see that you are left with
no pension at all. That alone should be reason enough to NOT pull a single
lever for a Republican on Nov. 5th. Send a message. Do something brave.

Yours,

Michael Moore
mike@michaelmoore.com
www.michaelmoore.com


PS. "Bowling for Columbine" opens in a few dozen new cities this weekend,
including Portland, Minneapolis, Sacramento, South Florida, Atlanta,
Dallas, Houston, Baltimore, St. Louis, Kansas City, Cleveland, a bunch of
towns in New Jersey, that village in Connecticut where we liberated the
beaches, a theatre in Times Square, Detroit (Royal Oak), and Denver. Click
here (http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/about/theaters.php) to see the
full list of theatres where it opens today.

PPS. Don't forget to show up in DC or SF tomorrow to voice your opposition
to the War on Iraq. Many other cities are holding rallies. Check out my
mission from the Office of Homeland Security (http://www.michaelmoore.com)
for details.

PPPS. You can find out more about the candidates to beat and the ones to
support in the upcoming election here:
http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/involved/gop.php.

---
 
KillerMuffin said:
Don't run over any kids with your car.

Haven't yet! (Knock on wood.)

Of course, my car serves a purpose other than running people over.
 
The weapon was a legal weapon. However it was illegally obtained. Also, because of his Domestic Abuse history it was illegal for him to own/possess weapons.

It's not the weapons fault, it was his.

He could have done the same thing with a musket.
 
I have some questions.

1. Why do you think I'm going to shoot someone because I have a gun?

2. Why do you think I'm more dangerous than you are?
 
Sorry... altho I find those deaths (sniper related or not) to be tragic and senseless... I do not in any way support our right to bare arms being removed.

Yes, I am a republican. I am also someone who is very involved with criminal justice. If I so desired I could sit here and type statistics that show that studies have proven that in areas where there is a concealled weapons law on the books, crime is actually down... wanna know why? Because a criminal is less likely to enter someones house if he seriously believes there is a chance that a gun is pointed at him from the other side... true.. argue it all you care to.

It isn't the GUN that causes these tragic deaths ... it is the PERSON holding it.
 
KillerMuffin said:
I have some questions.

1. Why do you think I'm going to shoot someone because I have a gun?

2. Why do you think I'm more dangerous than you are?

[sarcasm]

1. the weapon will tell you to kill, get rid of it while you can.

2. cause you own a gun, duh...

[/sarcasm]
 
Thrillhouse said:
Haven't yet! (Knock on wood.)

Of course, my car serves a purpose other than running people over.

So in order for someone to own something, this something must serve a purpose that's somehow considered "good"?
 
KillerMuffin said:
I have some questions.

1. Why do you think I'm going to shoot someone because I have a gun?

2. Why do you think I'm more dangerous than you are?

1. I don't. You asked "What do you have to say about that?" "Please don't shoot anybody" was what I had to say about it.

2. I KNOW how harmless I am. You are an unknown quantity, to me. Odds are that you are more dangerous, if only be default.
 
jennaflower said:
Sorry... altho I find those deaths (sniper related or not) to be tragic and senseless... I do not in any way support our right to bare arms being removed.

Yes, I am a republican. I am also someone who is very involved with criminal justice. If I so desired I could sit here and type statistics that show that studies have proven that in areas where there is a concealled weapons law on the books, crime is actually down... wanna know why? Because a criminal is less likely to enter someones house if he seriously believes there is a chance that a gun is pointed at him from the other side... true.. argue it all you care to.

It isn't the GUN that causes these tragic deaths ... it is the PERSON holding it.

My arms are bare right now, I hope they don't get removed!

Seriously, though, I'm not in favor of banning all guns either. The key paragraph in my original post was:

Of course, had Congress not caved in to the NRA, we would have known after
the first HOUR of the first day of the killings three weeks ago that the
rifle those bullets were coming out of belonged to John Williams/Mohammad.
Many more people died needlessly after that day, and every one of their
deaths could have probably been prevented had we had a national ballistics
fingerprinting data base.
 
*sighs*

You know, if I had a lick of trust in my government I wouldn't mind titling guns like we title cars. The problem is that I don't trust my government not use misuse that information on some sort of ridiculous crusade against evildoers.

Politicians cannot solve crime so they do whatever they can to make it look like they are.

Violence is inherent in the human condition. We are born in violence, we survive only by violence, and die in violence. It's inherent. That means it's an intrinsic part of being human. Some of us control our violence better than others do. How do you remove crime? You remove that lack of control over our violence.

That's a social problem that's impossible to solve with changing the core society itself. We must alter our values, we must retrain ourselves, and we have to change our economic policies.
 
Thrillhouse said:


Of course, had Congress not caved in to the NRA, we would have known after
the first HOUR of the first day of the killings three weeks ago that the
rifle those bullets were coming out of belonged to John Williams/Mohammad.
Many more people died needlessly after that day, and every one of their
deaths could have probably been prevented had we had a national ballistics
fingerprinting data base.

wrong.

they did not have a usable print from any evidence, til after the 11-12th shooting.

Also, anyone with a small amount of intelligence (towards firearm forensics) knows the characteristics can be easily changed. Making the "weapon fingerprinting" idea worthless.

While there are noble eforts to establish a databse, most if these efforts are futile since we would be expecting criminal to leave the evidence untouched.
 
If I'm not mistaken, there are two states that have their own ballistics fingerprinting database. NY and ??? Not really sure.
 
Re: *sighs*

KillerMuffin said:
You know, if I had a lick of trust in my government I wouldn't mind titling guns like we title cars. The problem is that I don't trust my government not use misuse that information on some sort of ridiculous crusade against evildoers.

Politicians cannot solve crime so they do whatever they can to make it look like they are.

Violence is inherent in the human condition. We are born in violence, we survive only by violence, and die in violence. It's inherent. That means it's an intrinsic part of being human. Some of us control our violence better than others do. How do you remove crime? You remove that lack of control over our violence.

That's a social problem that's impossible to solve with changing the core society itself. We must alter our values, we must retrain ourselves, and we have to change our economic policies.

Gee, that's all we have to do? That might take, what? A weekend?
 
Thrillhouse said:
My arms are bare right now, I hope they don't get removed!

Seriously, though, I'm not in favor of banning all guns either. The key paragraph in my original post was:

Of course, had Congress not caved in to the NRA, we would have known after
the first HOUR of the first day of the killings three weeks ago that the
rifle those bullets were coming out of belonged to John Williams/Mohammad.
Many more people died needlessly after that day, and every one of their
deaths could have probably been prevented had we had a national ballistics
fingerprinting data base.
Or, perhaps, if the police hadnt been looking for a white male who fit the "profile" a few more people would be alive today.
 
bored1 said:
Or, perhaps, if the police hadnt been looking for a white male who fit the "profile" a few more people would be alive today.

Point taken. However, it was a refreshing change that the cops were looking for a white guy. Then again, Chief Moose is black...

Of course, Moose was looking for a short, white, Russian guy with a cheesy moustache, and his tall, thin female companion.
 
Thrillhouse said:
Does anyone know if the alleged Beltway Sniper legally owned his weapons, or were they stolen, unregistered, etc.? Just curious.



Yes, It Was a Bushmaster

October 25, 2002

Dear friends,

Yesterday, Larry Bennett, a 16-year old, was shot in the head after he was
involved in a minor traffic accident. You probably didn't hear about it
because, well, how could he be dead if he wasn't shot by The Sniper?

Yesterday, an unidentified woman was shot to death in her car in Fenton,
MI. You probably didn't hear about it because she had the misfortune of not
being shot by The Sniper.

Two nights ago, Charles D. Bennett, 48, an apartment security guard, was
shot to death after confronting two teenagers in his parking lot in
Memphis, TN. You probably didn't hear about it because the sniper was too
busy sleeping in his car that night, and thus, poor Charles was not shot by
The Sniper.

Yes, The Sniper has apparently been caught, so we can go back now to NOT
reporting the DOZENS of gun deaths that occur every day, the ones that just
aren't newsworthy because they happen in all those old boring ways --
unlike the ways of The Sniper, who was interesting and creative and
exciting and scary! He played so much better on the news.

Of course, had Congress not caved in to the NRA, we would have known after
the first HOUR of the first day of the killings three weeks ago that the
rifle those bullets were coming out of belonged to John Williams/Mohammad.
Many more people died needlessly after that day, and every one of their
deaths could have probably been prevented had we had a national ballistics
fingerprinting data base.

Thank you, Mr. Heston for this unnecessary carnage. Thank you, Mr. Bush,
for supporting Mr. Heston and his group's agenda -- which protects only the
criminals.

If everyone reading this letter (and you now number in the millions) would
share this fact with just one person who is thinking of skipping going to
the polls on Nov. 5th, I believe that on Nov. 6th, Mr. Bush will have
neither the Senate nor the House doing his or Heston's bidding. Americans
don't like people who assist serial killers in being able to ratchet up
their kills because The Sniper knows that his bullets are prohibited by law
from being traced to his gun.

That, in a nutshell, is what the NRA is all about -- and I implore all
responsible gun owners and hunters to join with me in putting an end to the
NRA agenda once and for all. Don't give Bush his majority on November 5th.
He's already seen to it that his cronies in big business have wiped out
your 401 (K), and they are doing their best to see that you are left with
no pension at all. That alone should be reason enough to NOT pull a single
lever for a Republican on Nov. 5th. Send a message. Do something brave.

Yours,

Michael Moore
mike@michaelmoore.com
www.michaelmoore.com


PS. "Bowling for Columbine" opens in a few dozen new cities this weekend,
including Portland, Minneapolis, Sacramento, South Florida, Atlanta,
Dallas, Houston, Baltimore, St. Louis, Kansas City, Cleveland, a bunch of
towns in New Jersey, that village in Connecticut where we liberated the
beaches, a theatre in Times Square, Detroit (Royal Oak), and Denver. Click
here (http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/about/theaters.php) to see the
full list of theatres where it opens today.

PPS. Don't forget to show up in DC or SF tomorrow to voice your opposition
to the War on Iraq. Many other cities are holding rallies. Check out my
mission from the Office of Homeland Security (http://www.michaelmoore.com)
for details.

PPPS. You can find out more about the candidates to beat and the ones to
support in the upcoming election here:
http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/involved/gop.php.

---

I'm going to see that movie tomorrow, and I've started reading Downsize This! by Micheal Moore. He rocks.
 
weapons

guns don't kill people. people kill people

people can be trained to kill with most anything. you talk of all of the people that were killed by guns but i noticed that you failed to mention how many people were saved by guns today. how many gang bangers buy their fully automatic weapons legally.
have you ever been in a carjacking and had a gun stuck to the side of your head. have you felt the cold steel shaking in some hopheads hand screaming at you for your car. it sucks!!! that taught me to carry a legal hand gun that i purchased legally and carry legally with my C.H.L.
 
I have a question.......

What in your life changed you into a coward, and to not trust other people's judgement? What part of your life lacks involvement so you have to project your phobia to those around you? What makes you accept mistruth's and emotional lies to sway your opinion? Are you on any special medication for the above conditions? If not, why not?
You are a very unstable person. (Read my middle sig line) :D
 
A firearm is inanimate. It is a tool, like a hammer or a shovel. It is no better or worse than the person who uses it.

I am adamantly opposed to victim disarmament.
 
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