Can't blame the sniper anymore

[metal_minx]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: weapons

How does it compare to Switzerland's, where there is an assault rifle and ammo, provided by the "gummint" in every militiaman's household?

Higher - I already knew.

What does that have to do with it? The US has the highest murder rate in the West, especially when it comes to guns.

 

[metal_minx]

Re: twin towers

are you saying that only americans kill people maybe you should ask some of the familys of the americans in the trade towers

Maybe you should pay attention to what we're talking about. No one is mentioning the fucking twin towers. It's about guns in the US. Americans shooting up Americans.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I KNOW how harmless I am. You are an unknown quantity, to me. Odds are that you are more dangerous, if only be default.

Send a message. Do something brave. Arm yourself.

 

[cajunman]

murder

have you checked out the life expectancy in south africa due partially to the murder rate and also you are the one that said americans kill people maybe after you get out of school and live in the real world maybe you will better understand that people everywhere kill people everywhere

 

[mbb308]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Penis extension...

Actually I don't really HATE firearms, I grew up around them. My dad had a shotgun and a few rifles for hunting. That I'm fine with but the millions of handguns I have a problem with, not to mention the machine guns the NRA tries to pass off as hunting weapons, which is a big laugh. Those weapons are strictly made for killing human beings.

This has been pointed out elsewhere,

There are 195,000 fully registered automatic weapons in the US. One, or two, have been used for criminal purposes since that law went in effect in 1934. It's a non-issue.

Eighty percent of handgun shooting victims survive. Compare that to a rifle - the recent DC shooter killed over 80% of his.

I have never seen an NRA policy statement on automatic weapons. I have on semi-autoes, however.

I target shoot and compete. I have never hunted anything in my life.

I refuse to be defenseless, however. That is my right, and choice.

 

[Thrillhouse]

Send a message. Do something brave. Arm yourself.

Yeah, nothing braver than arming myself, out of fear that someone is about to jump me at any given moment.

 

[mbb308]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: weapons

What does that have to do with it? The US has the highest murder rate in the West, especially when it comes to guns.

That's to say that maybe the firearms are not the problem.

Homicides are statistically likely to happen in urban areas with gun control. That are less likely in rural areas with gun ownership.

I wonder why that is?

 

[Byron In Exile]

Yeah, nothing braver than arming myself, out of fear that someone is about to jump me at any given moment.

It would be a brave thing for someone who's so afraid of guns.

 

[Thrillhouse]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: weapons

That's to say that maybe the firearms are not the problem.

Homicides are statistically likely to happen in urban areas with gun control. That are less likely in rural areas with gun ownership.

I wonder why that is?

Gee, I dunno. You need people to commit murder.

Urban = lots of people
Rural = few people

Not that difficult to figure out...

 

[Thrillhouse]

It would be a brave thing for someone who's so afraid of guns.

Who's afraid of guns? It's the bullets that scare the shit out of me.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Who's afraid of guns? It's the bullets that scare the shit out of me.

Just remember not to point the gun at yourself.

 

[cajunman]

primenr caps

technically its not the projectile you shold fear its the gunpowder. no i'm wrong its the primer cap on the shell casing. nope wrong again. its the hammer hitting the firing pin that is hitting the primer cap. wait let me think hmmmmm... could it be the person pulling the trigger that could be the cause of all of this maybe

 

[sufisaint]

Who's afraid of guns? It's the bullets that scare the shit out of me.

Your fear definitely shows through... we are not all as weak as you and we take an honor and pride in being able to defend ourselves, our loved ones and our freedom. If you need a policeman with a gun to stand behind thats your choice, but do not think for a minute that your cowardness is going change th world in any fashion...

 

[Thrillhouse]

Your fear definitely shows through... we are not all as weak as you and we take an honor and pride in being able to defend ourselves, our loved ones and our freedom. If you need a policeman with a gun to stand behind thats your choice, but do not think for a minute that your cowardness is going change th world in any fashion...

To be honest, my bullet comment was sarcastic. Sarcasm doesn't lend itself well to written anonymous posts, does it?

Anyway, I would posit that those who insist on arming themselves are the fearful ones. If you aren't paranoid about being a potential crime victim, why pack the heat?

 

[sufisaint]

Because it gives me the ability to help others, because its the way of a warrior, because good people must be as strong as the bad. I train constantly and take the responsibility with absolute seriousness. We live in a world of constant war, the mechanism is called survival of the fitest. Human history proves over and over the need to defend ones self...especially against governments. Only out of true strength can one show true compassion and love.

 

[cajunman]

because

because criminals do i have seen it firsthand!

 

[Thrillhouse]

Because it gives me the ability to help others, because its the way of a warrior, because good people must be as strong as the bad. I train constantly and take the responsibility with absolute seriousness. We live in a world of constant war, the mechanism is called survival of the fitest. Human history proves over and over the need to defend ones self...especially against governments. Only out of true strength can one show true compassion and love.

Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

Seriously, do you think you're a superhero? It wouldn't be all that difficult to add a bright spandex costume onto your av.

 

[cajunman]

bitter

can you naot argue your point anymore so you have to attack me personally i felt you were smarter than that you can do better try again

 

[sufisaint]

I am a person who sincerely follows their beliefs...something I am sure you don't have the ability to appreciate...

 

[Thrillhouse]

cajunman, what the hell are you talking about? Check the names in the quotes in my posts - I have yet to respond to you. Until now, of course.

 

[Weird Harold]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Penis extension...

...the machine guns the NRA tries to pass off as hunting weapons, which is a big laugh. Those weapons are strictly made for killing human beings.

Any fire arm is "strictly made" to propel a bullet to a target, NOT to kill any specifc thing. The NRA does not try to "pass off" machine guns as hunting weapons and the fact that you make such an accusation reveals a serious lack of understanding of firearms.

Military firearms are indeed designed with their effect on human beings in mind - both the potential enemy soldiers it's aimed at AND the soldier who has to carry and use it. The characteristics that make a weapon a good military weapon ALSO make it an ideal weapon for hunting anything of the same general size as a human being -- Black-tail and White-tail deer, coyotes, Antelope, etc. Basing hunting weapons on military designs has a history that almost predates firearms. Bolt-action hunting rifles are mostly based on the Mauser action used the German military in WWI.

As tothe original point of this thread, a "Ballistic fingerprint" of firearms is a useless waste of time. Severalpeople have pointed out how easy it is to change a firearm's "fingerprint" deliberately. However, it isn't necessary to change the fingerprint deliberately -- the fingerprint changes slightly with every round fired -- 100 rounds of targt practice will change the ballistic fingerprint enough to make a database worthless.

 

[Problem Child]

I really wish the anti-gun crowd here would actually use facts more often.

It would make it a little more interesting.

 

[Skibum]

I really wish the anti-gun crowd here would actually use facts more often.

When has the anti-gun crowd ever used facts? They rely on fear, inuendo, and bold faced lies. The goal is to disarm the citizen, making us ever more dependent on the liberal/socialist government.

The reason the founding fathers included the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights was to insure that the people would have the means of preventing the government from ever abusing it's power.

 

[crysede]

I wish the pro and anti-gun crowds would both stick to facts.

But on the other hand, it's amusing when someone on one side of the debate backs up their position with nonsense; only to have someone from the other side criticize them for not sticking to the facts, and then proceed to authoritatively cite some nonsense contradicting the first bunch of nonsense.

Note: I'm not saying that everything said in this thread has been nonsense, I'm making a statement about the issue in general. However, if you have asserted any of the following 'facts' to justify your position, then you have engaged in justification via nonsense:

• gun control saves lives and/or prevents violent crime
• lack of gun control saves lives and/or prevents violent crime
• higher levels of gun ownership saves lives and/or prevents violent crime
• lower levels of gun ownership saves lives and/or prevents violent crime.

Because it gives me the ability to help others, because its the way of a warrior, because good people must be as strong as the bad. I train constantly and take the responsibility with absolute seriousness. We live in a world of constant war, the mechanism is called survival of the fitest. Human history proves over and over the need to defend ones self...especially against governments. Only out of true strength can one show true compassion and love.

You state your position with a great deal of certainty, and from other posts I've read you also seem to take the words of spiritual teachers with some seriousness (if I'm wrong about this then apologies, and just ignore this post), so I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

Part of me wants to agree with you on this, but as usual with important issues, I'm divided on this one. Clearly the vast majority of humans can't exist without the potential for violence, but is being ready to kill in defence actually a good thing? Or is it just a human thing? Are those who chose to live their lives without any violence necessarily lacking in true compassion and love?

The people who I think have seen Truth most clearly, who have most fully embodied compassion and love, who have shown far greater strength than any others, have also been unanimous in their condemnation of violence (even violence in self-defence) as inherently self-defeating.

 

[JazzManJim]

Seriously, though, I'm not in favor of banning all guns either. The key paragraph in my original post was:

Of course, had Congress not caved in to the NRA, we would have known after
the first HOUR of the first day of the killings three weeks ago that the
rifle those bullets were coming out of belonged to John Williams/Mohammad.
Many more people died needlessly after that day, and every one of their
deaths could have probably been prevented had we had a national ballistics
fingerprinting data base.

This paragraph is, of course, an absolute lie.

Ballistic fingerprinting is still an infant technology and not even remotely reliable or trustworthy.

The two states which have BF are Mass and MD. Neither system works well at all. It does nicely to serve as a gun registration database, though, which is really what Michael Moore wants.