Canadian shame: Canada Supreme Court rules getting drunk can be violent crime defense

[SugarDaddy1]

Criminal defendants can argue they acted involuntarily while intoxicated in cases involving some violent crimes, according to a unanimous decision by Canada’s Supreme Court on Friday.

The ruling, reversing a decades-old law that barred the employment of such a defense, will help decide three separate cases in which three men had argued they were not in control when they committed violent offenses after consuming drugs.

“It contravenes virtually all the criminal law principles that the law relies upon to protect the morally innocent,” Justice Nicholas Kasirer wrote in the ruling. “It enables conviction where the accused acted involuntarily, where the accused did not possess the minimum level of fault required, and where the Crown has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt the essential elements of the offense.”

In one such case, an Alberta man named Matthew Winston Brown consumed several mixed drinks, a few beers, and psilocybin, often called “magic mushrooms,” while at a party. Later that night, he broke into two homes and assaulted the resident of one, according to court documents.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...es-getting-drunk-can-be-violent-crime-defense

 

[Rainblow]

Cool. I'll drink to that. Here's lookin' at you, Daddy.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

When you go before the magistrate in Canukistan, don't you just have to say, "Sorry 'boot that." and pay the mountie in maple syrup to get off?

 

[Rainblow]

Hey! No joking aboot our maple syrup.
It's like liquid gold up here. Literally.
But, to be fair, in Ontario you can pay a fine with a Leafs jersey and a two-four.

https://www.mashed.com/841371/everything-you-need-to-know-about-canadas-huge-maple-syrup-heist/

 

[rockcasbah]

There’s a couple of implied consent to sex while drunk defence cases floating around Provincial Supreme Courts as well.

Top you up?

“ O Canada, Glorious and Free…”

 

[Fuzzy1975]

There’s a couple of implied consent to sex while drunk defence cases floating around Provincial Supreme Courts as well.

Top you up?

“ O Canada, Glorious and Free…”

What can we say, we owe our formation of a country to a drunk Scotsman.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That is even worse than the nonsense rulings of the U.S. Supreme Court.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

That is even worse than the nonsense rulings of the U.S. Supreme Court.

I assume you are commenting on the court ruling. Perhaps you should actually read said ruling. Instead of using your own judgement. Which from what I know about is, is pretty fucking idiotic. So sad, you haven't fucking died yet....piece of shit in the first degree....

 

[JohnEngelman]

I assume you are commenting on the court ruling. Perhaps you should actually read said ruling. Instead of using your own judgement. Which from what I know about is, is pretty fucking idiotic. So sad, you haven't fucking died yet....piece of shit in the first degree....

You can kill me. What I have said about intrinsic racial differences in average intelligence and rates of crime and illegitimacy will still be true, and you know it. Some races are better suited for the intellectual and social demands of civilization than other races. This is obvious by looking at test results, crime data, and rates of illegitimacy.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What I have said about intrinsic racial differences in average intelligence and rates of crime and illegitimacy will still be true

See what I mean people, about this guys thinking and judgement of people, based upon "his" own definitions...no wonder he thinks the ruling from the SC is worse than "any" ruling out of the US SCOTUS.

, and you know it.

What I know is; your a fucking racist piece of shit, and the sooner you die, the sooner there will be one less asshole spreading false information.

 

[rockcasbah]

I’d kill for a cold beer.

I am Canadian!

 

[JohnEngelman]

See what I mean people, about this guys thinking and judgement of people, based upon "his" own definitions...no wonder he thinks the ruling from the SC is worse than "any" ruling out of the US SCOTUS.

What I know is; your a fucking racist piece of shit, and the sooner you die, the sooner there will be one less asshole spreading false information.

What have I said about Negroes that is not true? Post it. Let's discuss it.

Your death threats, insults, obscene words, and name calling do not turn the following facts into falsehoods:




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2006 College & University
Guidance, Scholarships, Money and Info Gateways
(For Students, Parents, College Advisors, Mentors,
and Cultural Groups)
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SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity: 2003

In recent years the noted pattern of test scores has reflected similar numbers--
Editor, 2005

SAT Ethnic Group Scores (Math/Verbal+total)

• American Indian---482/480 (962)
• Asian American-----575/508 (1083)
• African American-----426/431 (857)
• Puerto Rican----457/448 (905)

Other Hispanic----464/457 (921)

• White-----534/529 (1063)
• Other ----513/501 (1014)

Source: www.collegeboard.com

Average ACT Composite Score by Race/Ethnicity, 2003
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• African American ----16.9
• American Indian---18.7
• Caucasian---- 21.7
• Mexican American----18.3
• Asian American---- 21.8
• Hispanic----19.0
• Other ----19.3
• Multiracial-----20.9
• Prefer Not to Respond -----21.8
• No Response-----20.1

Source: www.act.org

Quote from attached SAT/ACT article:

"Readiness for college science and math coursework was particularly low among
African American students. Only 5 percent of African American test-takers scored
at or above the college-readiness benchmark for college biology, and just 10
percent attained the readiness benchmark for college algebra. Ferguson said
Black students were less likely than others to take tough, college-prep courses
and "often don't receive the information and guidance they need to properly plan
for college."

For overview and more info, go to:
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0DXK/15_20/109265562/p1/article.jhtml

http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm

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U.S. Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs Bureau of Justice Statistics November 2011

Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—  Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000)

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf


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Percentage of Births to Unmarried Women
ROGER CLEGG FEBRUARY 26, 2020

Late last year, the final data for 2018 were published here (the key is Table 9 on page 25), and here’s what we learn: For all racial and ethnic groups combined, 39.6 percent of births in the United States were out-of-wedlock (incidentally, isn’t that appalling?). And there was as always a tremendous range among groups. For blacks, the number is 69.4 percent; for American Indians/Alaska Natives, 68.2 percent (Native Hawaiians/Other Pacific Islanders were at 50.4 percent); for Hispanics, 51.8 percent; for whites, 28.2 percent; and for Asian Americans, a paltry 11.7 percent.

https://www.ceousa.org/2020/02/26/percentage-of-births-to-unmarried-women/

 

[ll74]

 

[rockcasbah]

I must be a drunk Canadian…. I’m starting to imagine I’m at a Klan meeting at Harry’s Hilltop Hideaway & Lynchporium.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What have I said about Negroes that is not true? Post it. Let's discuss it.

I've discussed it with you, shown you the information you formulated your "opinion" on were wrong, and the papers withdrawn in fact. Numerous times.
I am done with you, I do not debate with pieces of shit. Shit is only worth flushing....

Your death threats, insults, obscene words, and name calling do not turn the following facts into falsehoods:

Show me one time I have threatened you? Please, just once. If I had, I am sure I would have been banhammered.

So to be clear you fucking useless piece of shit, I hope you die, and I hope it is a pain filled death too!...

Yet me hoping you die sooner, rather than later is not a threat, but you are too fucking stupid to understand that. It is no wonder you're too fucking stupid to understand you're a Racist piece of shit...*chuckles*

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I must be a drunk Canadian…. I’m starting to imagine I’m at a Klan meeting at Harry’s Hilltop Hideaway & Lynchporium.

JE has a way of making it seem like that.

 

[rockcasbah]

JE has a way of making it seem like that.

Shines his boots daily?

Me, I’m a Merrill guy.

( i like his cool graphs! Very convincing, good use of brown)

 

[JohnEngelman]

I've discussed it with you, shown you the information you formulated your "opinion" on were wrong, and the papers withdrawn in fact. Numerous times.
I am done with you, I do not debate with pieces of shit. Shit is only worth flushing....

Show me one time I have threatened you? Please, just once. If I had, I am sure I would have been banhammered.

So to be clear you fucking useless piece of shit, I hope you die, and I hope it is a pain filled death too!...

Yet me hoping you die sooner, rather than later is not a threat, but you are too fucking stupid to understand that. It is no wonder you're too fucking stupid to understand you're a Racist piece of shit...*chuckles*

You have never disproved the facts I have posted time and time again that prove low average intelligence for blacks and high rates of crime and illegitimacy. Those with extensive experience with that race know that those have been characteristics of the Negro race everywhere and always. Nevertheless, some prefer to lie. Others are afraid to tell the truth.

This is the forum guideline you are violating:

5. Do not threaten other people. Do not post images or words directly or indirectly implying threats of physical harm.

This, "I hope you die, and I hope it is a pain filled death too!," is an indirect threat implying threats of physical harm.

People do not get angry when opinions in which they are confident are challenged. They get angry when opinions they desperately hope are true, but fear are false, are challenged. You are unhinged by what I post because you know it is true.

So does Jesse Jackson:

 

[JohnEngelman]

Evolving in cold climates selects genetically for intelligence and monogamy. One must have the intelligence to build warm clothing and habitations for the winger months, and to save food for those months. Women require the help of a man to raise their children. A man is unlikely to help her, unless they are his children too.

Civilizations select genetically for intelligence and obedience to the law. Intelligent men tend to become more prosperous than unintelligent men. Until recently, they have had more children who survived to adulthood. During most of history most criminals were killed at the scene of the crime, they died in custody, or they were executed. In some cultures they were enslaved and worked to death. There was no attempt at rehabilitation. It is seldom effective. The few children some criminals had rarely lived to adulthood.

I define a civilization as a city based culture, where the government has the effective monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. Tribes exist where governments do not exist, or where they are ineffective. Characteristics that enabled the ancestors of Negroes to thrive in the tribal environment of sub Saharan Africa cause many blacks to earn felony convictions in civilized countries. Human evolution has not prepared most blacks for characteristics necessary in civilization. This is why the two civilized races of whites and Orientals create and maintain the most successful societies and civilizations, even when we are poor. It is why the results of the civil rights movement and African independence have been disappointing. The more whites treat blacks as equals, the less equally most blacks behave and perform.

 

[ll74]

All about the blacks!

 

[JohnEngelman]

All about the blacks!

I post comments on many different subjects.

 

[ll74]

I post comments on many different subjects.

Of course you do

That's why you're whining about blacks on a thread about Canadian drunks.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Of course you do

That's why you're whining about blacks on a thread about Canadian drunks.

I do not think in absolute categories, but averages and tendencies. I have known blacks who were more admirable than most of the whites I have known. I do not say that to defend myself against the charge of being called a racist, because I do not care if anyone calls me a racist or not. It is simply true.

 

[ll74]

I do not think in absolute categories, but averages and tendencies. I have known blacks who were more admirable than most of the whites I have known. I do not say that to defend myself against the charge of being called a racist, because I do not care if anyone calls me a racist or not. It is simply true.

And yet here you are, bringing up blacks ruining things on a thread about Canadian drunks

It always ends up there, regardless of where it starts......that is quite absolute imo.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

This is the forum guideline you are violating:

5. Do not threaten other people. Do not post images or words directly or indirectly implying threats of physical harm.

This, "I hope you die, and I hope it is a pain filled death too!," is an indirect threat implying threats of physical harm.

Once again for the uneducated piece of shit. All humans die, it is part of life. Me hoping you die, slowly and painfully is not a threat. Directly, or indirectly. It's no wonder you can't understand why your views are wrong....you stupid fucking piece of shit.