Can something that feels so right be so wrong?

Nicholas

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Hi. I'm a married man, and I'm involved in a very special relationship with a married woman. The only catch is that we are not married to each other. Just how special our relationship has become is something I'd like to share with everyone.

We met online several months ago, and because of just how similar our personal lives are, we became close friends very quickly. After only a short time we reached a point where we would spend most evenings together online discussing common interests, along with situations arising from our professional lives and our marriages. I know for me this time we spent together in the evenings became a very important part of my day. I also came to realize very quickly that I could share anything with her and she would not judge me. Considering the role I play in my marriage (dependable, supportive husband) and at my job (strong authority figure), it became very important to me to be able to show a more emotional and vulnerable side of myself that I am not normally able to show. My relationship with her allowed me to share these thoughts and feelings that I hadn't been able to share with anyone in a very long time.

Just when our relationship began to change, I'm not sure either of us know. I do know that I was not expecting anything more than a friend when we first met. My marriage may not be the most exciting in the world, but I had by this point resigned myself to living out my life as it is - with a solid, but passionless, marriage. I think I had truly been able to convince myself that the trade off for having a solid marriage was to lose the passion, which we never really had in the first place. (I do want to mention that we are both fairly young--early 30's.) Imagine my surprise when I met a woman who was coming at this from the other direction. She is living in the same kind of passionless marriage, but is convinced that it is possible to have something "more".

The first gift she gave me was a book that tells of just the kind of relationship that she believes she can and should have. Before she sent me my copy, she re-read it, and then sent a very emotional email describing how the book made her feel, and why she was crying while she read it. As touched as I was by her reaction, and her need to share something this intimate with me, I was still not expecting to react that way myself. However, as I read this book, I could see pieces of her life - as she'd described it to me - coming alive on almost every page. I couldn't imagine how she could read this and not cry. What amazed me even more, as I neared the end of the book, were the tears forming in my own eyes. As I finished I became overwhelmed by my own feelings about her life, and my own, and the idea of pure love, and I cried like I hadn't cried since I was 6 years old. It was at that moment that I realized just how special our relationship had become.

Since then we've sort of struggled to actually define what our relationship is. Neither of us has really expressed a desire to leave our spouses over this. Because of the distance that separates us, there's been no chance of a face-to-face meeting happening anytime soon. And for this same reason I'd say it would be almost impossible to engage in a physically sexual relationship, although I'd say that what does pass for our "so-called sex life" has been extremely intimate and satisfying in its own way. What began as an online relationship has definitely moved off-line (phone), but I believe we both cling to the distance, and our marriages, as a buffer and "safety net" to prevent us from doing anything "more".

So, I guess what we want to know is whether or not people think that what we have is REALLY wrong. I mean, I'm sure there are people who will look at our relationship and immediately condemn us for "cheating" on our spouses even if there has been no physical consummation. And in a perfect world they may be right. If you could just slice this world up in to two piles and call one "right" and one "wrong", this would be very easy to judge. But I don't believe the world works that way. How exactly do we fit in? Have any other married persons experienced something like this? I would hope people would take the time to search their hearts before answering.

Is it really wrong for us to find and enjoy a little slice of happiness in this way?



[Edited by Nicholas on 08-24-2000 at 01:40 AM]
 
Everybody I know needs some passion ..

Nicky .. Nicky .. darling .. honestly .. when i read your post .. i felt you were being very naive ...

in my opinion .. YES .. it is very very very very easy to fall for someone big time on-line ... i do not think your story is so unique .. especially considering the fact you both are living "passionless" marriages ..

this is probably the first time you fell for someone on-line, right?

are you looking for approval here??? personally, Nicky, i think you have to live with your own decisions ... no one can make up your mind for you if it is right or wrong. if only life were really that easy ...

is it wrong to enjoy a little slice of happiness in this way? only you could possibly know the answer to that as it relates to your own life ...

good luck, darling, what ever you decide ... :)
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Somebody somewhere
In the heat of the night
Looking pretty dangerous
Running out of patience

Tonight in the city
You won't find any pity
Hearts are being twisted
Another lover cheated, cheated

In the bars and the cafes, passion
In the streets and the alleys, passion
A lot of pretending, passion
Everybody searching, passion

Once in love you're never out of danger
One hot night spent with a stranger
All you wanted was somebody to hold on to yeah
Passion, passion
Passion, passion

New York, Moscow, passion
Hong Kong, Tokyo, passion
Paris and Bangkok, passion
A lotta people ain't got, passion

Hear it in the radio, passion
Read it in the papers, passion
Hear it in the churches, passion
See it in the school yards, passion

Once in love you're never out of danger
One hot night spent with a stranger
All you wanted was somebody to hold on to yeah
Once in love you're never out of danger
One hot night spent with a stranger
All you wanted was somebody to hold on to yeah

Alone in your bed at night, passion
It's half past midnight, passion
As you turn out your sidelight, passion
Something ain't right, passion

There's no passion, there's no passion
There's no passion, I need passion
You need passion, We need passion
Can't live without passion
Won't live without passion

Even the president needs passion
Everybody I know needs some passion
Some people die and kill for passion
Nobody admits they need passion
Some people are scared of passion
Yeah passion

~Rod Stewart~
 
Re: Everybody I know needs some passion ..

Isabella Thorne said:
Nicky

this is probably the first time you fell for someone on-line, right?


Now you have my interest- could expand on this point? I'm in a situation somewhat similar to Nicholas, but not exactly. This is a great place to come for advice, there's always someone who has "been there/done that" and will help with an opinion.

Looking forward to reading the answers to this thread.
 
Isabella

Damn! Just when I felt I had something good to say SOMEONE came and said it better...AND first. Shit, back to silent waiting. LOL
 
Are you experienced?

how sweet of you to say that my darling Ian ... congratulations on your "experience" dear ... hmmmm looks like you kinda lost your virginity to me ... :)
 
I'd rather not label what you are doing as right or wrong. That is a moral judgement that can only be made by you. I wouldn't feel right doing it, but I'm not the type of person who could. I don't have it in me to "cheat".

But I do think that it wrong to cling to a pationless marriage unless you still love your wife. If you don't, I think you should set her free and your self free as well. Because you both deserve happiness, and as much as it may hurt her now, you're not doing your wife any favours by pretending to love her, and you're not going to be happy to be in that situation either.
 
You have to walk your own walk. I am glad that none of the posts judge you....for only you know where you should go. Reflect on your marriage - is it worth redeeming? If not, then you are on a different course. A suggestion, though. You need to deal with one issue at a time. Once you have settled your marriage issues, you should then be free to pursue (or not) your on-line "friend." Don't play the issues in parallel..emotions are too conflicting.

On-line relationships are every bit as powerful as real time...perhaps more so because of the sharing, the openness engendered by the electronic medium.

Oh, by the way, I met my wife on-line over 5 years ago. She was divorced, mine was filed, and I was not living in my previous home. I almost followed my own advice LOL.

PS: Its better today than it was 5 years ago!

[Edited by Thor's Hammer on 08-24-2000 at 07:06 AM]
 
Nicholas said:

So, I guess what we want to know is whether or not people think that what we have is REALLY wrong. I mean, I'm sure there are people who will look at our relationship and immediately condemn us for "cheating" on our spouses even if there has been no physical consummation. And in a perfect world they may be right. If you could just slice this world up in to two piles and call one "right" and one "wrong", this would be very easy to judge. But I don't believe the world works that way. How exactly do we fit in? Have any other married persons experienced something like this? I would hope people would take the time to search their hearts before answering.

Is it really wrong for us to find and enjoy a little slice of happiness in this way?



[Edited by Nicholas on 08-24-2000 at 01:40 AM]

You have almost exactly, explained how I came to fall in love with someone online. I too was married (in the middle of a divorce now) but not happily. For me it was easy to fall in love, the lady in question was everything I'd looked for in a woman. I went through the guilty feelings you are having, and the need for advice, but at the end of the day, I came to the conclusion that we only live once so we better try our damnedest to get it right.

Carl.
 
I know how confused you must be, Nick...I've been there a few times. All I can say is that in one particular instance for me, at least, it felt like the most natural, comfortable thing in the world with someone who was my opposite sex copy. He felt like that too. Unfortunately, it just hurt all the more, to be so happy and know we could never really be together. It's something to think about, at least. Best of luck to you.
 
It is only up to you to decide what is healthy for your life.
We make choices every day and each one has an effect on the next. You put yourself where you are and you can only move forward.
Do what makes you happy, as long as you don't spend your life searching for the unattainable happiness that comes with not loving yourself. That is when you hurt everyone along the way, including yourself.
 
Have you asked your wife?

I can understand and very much empathize with you. I am married to a man that doesn't not, and currently is not able, to fullfill any of my deeper emotional needs.

I had, at one time, an online friend, a seperated man a few months from his divorce being signed. He filled an emotional void inside of me that my husband couldn't or wouldn't. My relationship with him grew too deep for me to be comfortable with it and my marriage. After all, this person online was taking over parts of my marriage. Instead of becoming closer to my husband, at least as deep as he was able, I pushed him away and turned to my on line friend. I shared the triumphs and the lows of my days with this man online, and cut out a very important facet of my spousal relationship.

Eventually, the man had his divorce and promptly asked me to marry him. He felt that since we got along so well and I was in a marriage that seemed to be nothing more than a passionless noose around my neck, I should ditch the dead weight and move in with him.

This woke me up. I had no intentions of leaving my husband for another man. I did the only intelligent thing I could think of at the time. I cut myself off from the online relationship. It was a smart decision.

The relationship had gone beyond the boundaries I was comfortable with. I took a long hard look at myself and my marriage and this relationship. I quit blaming my passionless and dreary marriage and my absent spouse, instead I looked for my own personal culpability. I understood, as well, that neither of these men would share me in this manner. If the situation had been reversed, I wouldn't want to either. So I made a choice between them, rather simply actually.

There are a few questions you can ask yourself, ones that I asked myself. If your wife read transcripts of your conversations with your friend, would she feel betrayed or less important than your friend? Does your wife have any idea what you're doing on the computer? Do you hide this relationship from your wife? Would you rather spend time chatting with your friend than trying to rebuild passion in your marriage? Do you and you wife even try to communicate anymore? Whenever you log off from talking to your friend, do you feel guilty? As if you've betrayed your wife? Would you ever want your wife to talk or meet with your friend?

It takes two to build a marrige. Passion and communication come from both sides. Learn how to communicate with your wife, chances are you're both doing it all wrong. My husband and I definately were. It may not be a bad idea for the two of you to seek marital counseling or heck, even take a weekend tantric sex course or something. Do stuff with your wife, sans kids, pets, minivan, careers, cellphones, beepers, laptops, internet, whatever. There is no reason your wife can't be your friend as well.
 
Well said, KillerMuffin.

I too have been in this situation, more than once. In answer to your question, Nicholas, YES. Something that feels very good indeed can be wrong.

It all boils down to what you think. There are some here who will tell you that your marriage is probably on its way to the graveyard anyway, so kill it now, clean and easy, and grab for all the happiness you deserve.

There are some who will tell you that you made a vow years ago. Why make wedding vows at all if you can cast them aside when the going gets tough? Just to dress up and have a big party? And if you have kids...that's a whole other ball game.

But really, what matters is what you believe in yourself.

In my own case, I made a promise to myself when I got married that I would under no circumstances get a divorce. (That was mainly a delayed knee-jerk reaction to my parents' divorce.) Then, some years later, my marriage wasn't all peaches and cream and I was literally thinking of divorce several times each and every day. What made me stay mostly was the thought that I'd be screwing my kids royally if I divorced their father. So, as a result, I cheated on my husband online, and then off, to my shame. (I do consider a continuous, deeply emotional, cybersexual relationship to be cheating.) The man I slept with and I drifted apart. My marriage remained stagnant and unfulfilling. Again I turned to someone online, and thankfully, he sort of disappeared from my life. I say thankfully, because my marriage is on the upswing now.

I guess what I'm saying, by spilling my life out for you, is that things may seem bleak now, but all marriages go through ups and downs. And sometimes the downs really seem like bottomless pits. You still might pull it out, shine it up a bit and find that it's actually better than you thought.

If you truly don't intend to leave your wife over this, then you should break it off with the other woman and try to breathe some of the same life into your marriage that you've found in this online relationship. Your marriage doesn't really stand a chance if you're getting your emotional needs filled elsewhere.

Best of luck, truly.


[Edited by whispersecret on 08-24-2000 at 10:22 PM]
 
I think Isabella said it right when she said ultimately you will have to make the final decision as to what you want to so with your life.
I will put my opinion out there though and say that your marriage can't be all that solid if you fall in love with the first person who comes along that you have a lot in common with. Keep that in mind when you make that decision.
 
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