Can someone else own your soul?

[calypso_21]

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Why is it that if you give up of your self to someone it is often seen as a negative? (I'm not trying to single you out. I thought the same thing at one time.)

Oh sure, pick on me.


Is it that more often than not people give up so much of their self that they cease to exist?

I think the negative aspect is that when you've given that much of your self away... if something happens and the love dies, it's extremely difficult to get your self out of the situation before you're completely lost.

Is it possible to give your all and still remain whole?

I don't know.

I don't think it needs to be negative. I think you can give up and into a love or connection and still remain whole and positive. I think you hit upon it...it has to be positive from the beginning.

 

[weed]

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I like what you've stated. I don't necessarily agree with all of it but I think it was beautifully communicated.

I believe you have some control over your soul but for the most part it is of it's own volition. I think that there are for some a person or persons that come into your life who your soul just flies to. You may not even know why but you have little control in those instances.

What I do agree with is that yes...our so stays with us...but does it belong to us?

I'm not sure.

What is your soul to you?

To me it is my innermost thoughts and beliefs, my intuitions and my personal experiences. It is connected to my spirit and my body but is of itself. It is the immortal part of myself. I can only share it. It remains mine and mine alone.


A few quotes on the soul - -

The soul is known by its acts. ~ St. Thomas Aquinas


The soul is indestructible and its activity will continue through eternity. It is like the sun, which, to our eyes, seems to set at night; but it has in reality only gone to diffuse its light elsewhere. ~ Johann von Goethe


The soul is not a physical entity, but instead refers to everything about us that is not physical - our values, memories, identity, sense of humor. Since the soul represents the parts of the human being that are not physical, it cannot get sick, it cannot die, it cannot disappear. In short, the soul is immortal.~ Harold Kushner

 

[pipercatt]

Maybe I am a bit of a pessimist, but I believe that people tend to give their own souls away to the wrong people. And those wrong people (notice I didn't say bad people), accept the souls given to them. In effect, they take the soul of another - whether it's used for good or bad isn't the issue.

No, I tend to think that the right person doesn't *take* your soul. I think that the right person connects with your soul, nourishes it, and leaves it with you in better condition that when it was offered. And you in return, do the same thing to them.

 

[Lancecastor]

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The soul is known by its acts. ~ St. Thomas Aquinas

I like the way this grrl's soul is acting....


http://www.babewarehouse.com/photographers/glamour_studio/glamourstudio-005.jpg

 

[calypso_21]

Have you ever loved or cared so deeply for someone that you give up all of your self to them...your soul?

Yes, my children. I know you are probably thinking more along the lines of a "soul mate", but honestly I haven't had that depth of a relationship with an adult. I am very selfish and self centered, I can't even begin to fathom giving up my "self" in a relationship. I don't even think that it would be healthy to become lost in another. I wouldn't want someone who felt that way about me, because I couldn't handle the responsibility of it.

Do you think it is possible for someone to be so connected to you and vice versa that your soul just calls out to them...you're locked in a perpetual dance? Do you think souls know something above and beyond what our conscious knows?

I have always hoped so, but didn't really believe such until recently. I met someone, that on some level I can't even begin to explain, there was an instant recognition. A level of comfort that defies logic. It leads me to believe that we have done this "dance" before, and what a joyous thing it is. I am not sure if it is our soul, or pheremones, or just the right chemicles mixing and neurons firing at specified times to make us feel this way.

The romantical side of me wants to believe in the soul, and the feeling that one is preordained to find that one person that we can love and will love us above and beyond all others. The cynical side of me, well, that is a whole other issue.

Would you even need a note? If they claim it...would it require a piece of paper or would their name be written on your soul?

I think/hope that there are those which we are destined to share a part of our life with. Regardless of the time frame involved. A map, if you will, of options and choices made available to us. Dependent upon the level of wisdom we have achieved and maturity we have, determines how we handle it when these people enter our lives. I am not sure if it is a forever thing, or a cycle we relive time and time again until we get it right. Which, if that holds true, what happens when we do get it right? Does that end our cycle? (Sorry to add more questions.)

Do you actually give your soul or was it claimed before you even met?

I think you give your soul to those that dont deserve it. I think that if you give thought to it, make a decision, and chose to give it to another the odds are, they are not the person(s) intended to receive it. If it is without forethought, and you somehow recognize that this person has a place in your life that you had not previously imagined, odds are that they are the person(s) with whom you are intended to share whatever it is that is shared between you.

Does all that even make sense? lol, Bear with me, I just woke up.

No I was not thinking just along the lines of soul mates I have children too so they came into my thoughts here. I will get back to you...I have to go grab my Drama Queen from school. Yes it all makes sense.

 

[Cleopatra]

I feel that your soul is the one thing that is truely yours. It stays with you, and can't be given away, even if you want to gift someone with it. And my children have all my love, affection, and even my life, but not my soul. That's mine to keep.

 

[Calamity Jane]

If anyone wants to buy my soul, the bidding starts at $10...

Do you accept payment plans?

 

[Jim_Henson]

Do you accept payment plans?

First to pay the ten bucks gets him... and I got 15 in my checking

 

[CoolidgEffect]

First to pay the ten bucks gets him... and I got 15 in my checking

Does he do windows?

 

[Flitter]

I think it is very possible to find someone who mirrors your own soul. I know you're not necessarily looking for an opinion on the whole soulmate issue...so I'm trying not to dip into that.

I do believe that sometimes in life, on rare occasions I might add, you find someone who is so unmistakingly part of you, that it MUST go beyond the heart and mind. It's almost like you've found yourself, only in another person. Someone with whom everything feels so natural, so comfortable, and yet so very electric at the same time. I think when we meet this person it's a feeling that cannot be denied. I also think that for the most part, everyone wants to find that someone and sometimes we fool ourselves into believing that we have. Thats when things go wrong. When it's the real thing and you've found that other part of yourself in someone else-- pain will not be the result, IMHO.

I do believe that you can be whole when giving your all to someone. In fact, I don't think we ARE whole until we find that other link to ourselves. When two kindred souls mesh and fall into one another, thats when we have achieved what it's all about. It's not a matter of owning each other...but enhancing one another. Heart, Body, AND Soul.

Again, just my humble lil opinion. I, too, just woke up. Feel free to ignore.

 

[calypso_21]

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What is your soul to you?

To me it is my innermost thoughts and beliefs, my intuitions and my personal experiences. It is connected to my spirit and my body but is of itself. It is the immortal part of myself. I can only share it. It remains mine and mine alone.

If you share it part of it becomes part of someone else to whom you are sharing it with. Just as if you share a memory with someone...they now have that in their memories...they may not have experienced it but they now hold on to a piece of it.

This quote says some of what I think:

The soul is indestructible and its activity will continue through eternity. It is like the sun, which, to our eyes, seems to set at night; but it has in reality only gone to diffuse its light elsewhere. ~ Johann von Goethe

So though you give it to someone else or it melds with someone else's soul you still remain connected and hold on to it. Some don't. Some let go of that connection and loose their soul for what ever reason. Maybe in the next life when they have a chance to start anew they will hold on to it.

I believe in this but yet it is so much more...

The soul is not a physical entity, but instead refers to everything about us that is not physical - our values, memories, identity, sense of humor. Since the soul represents the parts of the human being that are not physical, it cannot get sick, it cannot die, it cannot disappear. In short, the soul is immortal.~ Harold Kushner

 

[calypso_21]

Maybe I am a bit of a pessimist, but I believe that people tend to give their own souls away to the wrong people. And those wrong people (notice I didn't say bad people), accept the souls given to them. In effect, they take the soul of another - whether it's used for good or bad isn't the issue.

No, I tend to think that the right person doesn't *take* your soul. I think that the right person connects with your soul, nourishes it, and leaves it with you in better condition that when it was offered. And you in return, do the same thing to them.

I don't think that is a pessimistic thought. I tend to think a majority of people do give their souls to the wrong people...this is why I asked if there is much choice in the matter.

I like your second thought...nourishes your soul...*smiling*

 

[calypso_21]

I feel that your soul is the one thing that is truely yours. It stays with you, and can't be given away, even if you want to gift someone with it. And my children have all my love, affection, and even my life, but not my soul. That's mine to keep.

Okay in your instance and mine I can see it but what about those people who appear to have absolutely no souls...they just exist what about them?

 

[calypso_21]

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I like the way this grrl's soul is acting....


http://www.babewarehouse.com/photographers/glamour_studio/glamourstudio-005.jpg

Interesting view into her soul.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

If we have to leave the boundaries of prose, and I hate to do that, then I have to say that not only isn't there a soul, there also isn't anything like true love or destiny.

Love is all about finding the person with whom, when you're with her, you become the person you respect the most.

 

[curious2c]

My soul is like mentioned above...mine. It is something that, if I gave it away would leave me souless...not a good thing at all. Souless people are that like...well Dahlmer, Gacy, Manson, and others of their ilk. They valued nothing. Human life was nothing to them because they were souless. (My opinion)


The human soul...much needed, much underappreaciated, not measurable until one needs one.

 

[Cleopatra]

Okay in your instance and mine I can see it but what about those people who appear to have absolutely no souls...they just exist what about them?

I think the people who just appear to exist still have a soul, they just don't know it, or don't care about it. My soul is unique to me, and special to me. I try and take care of it, so to speak. I think the people of whom you speak, don't.

 

[calypso_21]

I think it is very possible to find someone who mirrors your own soul. I know you're not necessarily looking for an opinion on the whole soulmate issue...so I'm trying not to dip into that.

I do believe that sometimes in life, on rare occasions I might add, you find someone who is so unmistakingly part of you, that it MUST go beyond the heart and mind. It's almost like you've found yourself, only in another person. Someone with whom everything feels so natural, so comfortable, and yet so very electric at the same time. I think when we meet this person it's a feeling that cannot be denied. I also think that for the most part, everyone wants to find that someone and sometimes we fool ourselves into believing that we have. Thats when things go wrong. When it's the real thing and you've found that other part of yourself in someone else-- pain will not be the result, IMHO.

I do believe that you can be whole when giving your all to someone. In fact, I don't think we ARE whole until we find that other link to ourselves. When two kindred souls mesh and fall into one another, thats when we have achieved what it's all about. It's not a matter of owning each other...but enhancing one another. Heart, Body, AND Soul.

Again, just my humble lil opinion. I, too, just woke up. Feel free to ignore.

No point in ignoring a good comment...whether I agree or not doesn't matter. I don't mind that you talked about soulmates.

The part I bolded is something I find quite often. I believe that when it is the real thing...EVERYTHING is possible...when in this context.

 

[calypso_21]

If we have to leave the boundaries of prose, and I hate to do that, then I have to say that not only isn't there a soul, there also isn't anything like true love or destiny.

Love is all about finding the person with whom, when you're with her, you become the person you respect the most.

I like your last line very much. While I disagree with the idea that we do not have a soul I do agree with your last line very much.

 

[calypso_21]

I think the people who just appear to exist still have a soul, they just don't know it, or don't care about it. My soul is unique to me, and special to me. I try and take care of it, so to speak. I think the people of whom you speak, don't.

Point taken.

 

[Cleopatra]

I do believe that you can be whole when giving your all to someone. In fact, I don't think we ARE whole until we find that other link to ourselves.

*This* is what I think more people, including myself, need to figure out how to do.

 

[weed]

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If you share it part of it becomes part of someone else to whom you are sharing it with. Just as if you share a memory with someone...they now have that in their memories...they may not have experienced it but they now hold on to a piece of it.





So though you give it to someone else or it melds with someone else's soul you still remain connected and hold on to it. Some don't. Some let go of that connection and loose their soul for what ever reason. Maybe in the next life when they have a chance to start anew they will hold on to it.

This interpretation works a little better for me, I think. Perhaps the quote in my sig touches upon that sentiment.

Do you think that when we lose our soul as you say we are really just losing touch with it? It's buried in our subconscious? And perhaps that next life is not another life but the touch of another soul or soulful experience to bring it out?

See....I can't believe I've given my soul away. No matter how empty I feel. I have to believe it's still there.

 

[Lancecastor]

If we have to leave the boundaries of prose, and I hate to do that, then I have to say that not only isn't there a soul, there also isn't anything like true love or destiny.

Love is all about finding the person with whom, when you're with her, you become the person you respect the most.

In the end, it's all a question of faith, so there are as many right answers as there are opinions.

My belief system says there is a soul, there is true love and there is potential (though not a fatalistic pre-determined "destiny").

Your definition of love is in my view of this world; a good solid practical working model that enables people to live their earthly lives together. I also happen to believe in true love, the definition of which in my view transcends that you've articulated for love.

 

[weed]

If we have to leave the boundaries of prose, and I hate to do that, then I have to say that not only isn't there a soul, there also isn't anything like true love or destiny.

Love is all about finding the person with whom, when you're with her, you become the person you respect the most.

Interesting thoughts. If the soul doesn't exist then what is our essence? The essence that makes up our connections with others, the way the world touches us and we touch it, the beliefs that we develop and our concept of self....all these things and more that seem to wrap themselves up into 'soul'?

 

[Flitter]

*This* is what I think more people, including myself, need to figure out how to do.

For me, it seemed to just happen naturally. I had wandered around for many years, floating into bad relationship after bad relationship. I had such a cynical view of love...I had developed a belief system that was so totally void of anything real and meaningful. But when I finally did meet the right person for me, the one I believe I was destined to be with, everything just seemed to fall into place. I didn't have to try or pretend or work on anything. It was like coming home. Don't get me wrong, all relationships require nurturing and work...but when it's the real thing, it doesn't seem like work at all. Giving everything of myself to him was the only choice for me...beyond my control.

I feel I'm babbling and gettin farther away from the topic, so I'll try to shush for a bit.