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logophile said:See it.
That's all. Just see it.
matriarch said:Have.
Loved it.
Thought it was wonderful.
On all counts.
carsonshepherd said:If it would ever open in a theater here, I might one day.![]()
logophile said:See it.
That's all. Just see it.
drksideofthemoon said:Not likely you will see me there...my family are all ranchers and farmers, and my in-laws are all ranchers in Wyoming. To a person they believe the movie is an insult, and an assault on their way of life...I have to agree with them..
entitled said:uuuummm? Am i the only one that has never heard of this?
OOOOooooohhhh.... Gotcha.Colleen Thomas said:It's a movie set in Wyoming, circ 1963. About a rancher and rodeo cowboy who meet while driving horses. Something of a gay love story and ground breaking in that it's a mainstream release. It's critically acclaimed, but I don't know how big a commercial success it is.
From what I read, pre rel;eases, the producers were hoping for a box office smash to open up mainstream media for alternate lifestyles tales.
No idea if it has done as well as they hoped.
Belegon said:sorry, but from what I have heard about the picture that is a ridiculous statement...
you may have your own opinion about a love story between two men of course...but an assault on their way of life.? Very reactionary statement at best.
and I'm being way too nice...
The way the crowds viewed the Godfather trilogy as another (long gangster-film history here) attempt to force organized crime and cannolis down everyone's throat?drksideofthemoon said:They view this movie as another attempt to force homosexuality down everyone's throat...
perdita said:The way the crowds viewed the Godfather trilogy as another (long gangster-film history here) attempt to force organized crime and cannolis down everyone's throat?
Drk: do excuse my sarcasm, couldn't help it, first thing that came to mind. I hope you see how very not simple the matter is. The movie's well publicized so if no one's interested in gay male sex/love in general, or gay male sex/love 'twixt all-American cowboys, they simply don't attend.
Here's one pertinent reason people quote Shakespeare: The lady protests too much, methinks. (Hamlet, III,ii)
Substitute whatever comes to mind for "lady".
Perdita
cloudy said:I just find it amusing, I suppose, for people to think that a movie is an "assault on their way of life."
It's fiction, for fuck's sake. They need to get over it.
Colleen Thomas said:I dogged farenheight 911. It was a movie and was fictional, but it still rubbed me the wrong way. And I wasn't shy about saying it was tripe, untrue and had no bussiness being called a documentary.
Some people loved it.
Micheal Moore did nothing to me personally, besides insulting my intelligence, but I got bent out of shape over it none the less.
I don't have a whole lot of room to say build a bridge and get over it to anyone.
You have taken exception to some stories on lit that portray drunken indians or rapacious indians. Those are stories on a porn site, with precious little ability to imact a wide audience. How strongly would you react if that same caricature was depicted in hollywood's newest epic film of the old west? Dita was affronted by the Alamo and the way that small chapter in history is typically portrayed ont he big screen.
I make no apologies for saying Moore is a fucktard. I don't expect you to make apologies when you see your heritage besmirched. I think Dita is well within her rights to find glorification of the mexican-american war as ofensive.
In the same vein, it's hard to know what a particular person will find to be an affront. Is it really fair to say wyoming ranchers ar off their nut taking offense here?
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drksideofthemoon said:Not likely you will see me there...my family are all ranchers and farmers, and my in-laws are all ranchers in Wyoming. To a person they believe the movie is an insult, and an assault on their way of life...I have to agree with them..
cloudy said:I see your point, however, it's not taking cultural stereotypes and running with it.
I have no problem with them objecting to the movie, if they're honest about why they're objecting to it. Saying it's an assault on their way of life is a little cartoonish, almost, to me. If they flat out said they don't want to see it because they don't want to see a gay couple, I may not agree with them, but at least they're being honest.
Colleen Thomas said:When I say cowboy, the image most will see is John Wayne or Rowdy Yeats or someone from a Louis L'amour western. The word conjures a certain stereotype and most folks who consider themselves to be cowboys try to emmulate that stereotype. I cannot think of a cowboy or rodeo rider I know who wouldn't consider being called a fag fighting words.
So you are, in this film, messing with a cultural stereotype in a sense.
I do not believe the story would carry the same impact if your protags were both hair dressers from the village. So the author/screenwriter is conciously or unconciously attempting to make the work more forceful by selecting a sterotype for the leads whom people do not generally assocciate with being gay.
To someone who is attempting to live up to the ideal of the cowboy, the work might well be seen as an assault on him or at least on his self perception.
I am not saying this is the case. Merely saying when you broach subjects that are controversial, like this one, the issues involved are highly perceptual and rarely cut and dried.
ArrogantAuthor said:I wonder if Drk and other males would be so aghast and repelled if the movie were about two attractive women in the same situation.
cloudy said:Okay, I get that.
But then, aren't the people that would see it as an assault on their self-perception the ones that aren't as secure with themselves? And what does that say about that whole cowboy thing?
(gettin' deep now)
cloudy said:Not addressed to you, but just how, exactly, does it assault their way of life?