Booth babes are being banned from events?

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://www.reaxxion.com/6150/booth-...danger-of-being-completely-banned-from-events

Recently PAX banned booth babes from their events, one of many conferences including E3 to start banning booth babes. This is an excerpt of what PAX had to say on their booth babe policy:

“PAX has a strict ‘no booth babe’ policy with the purpose of creating an environment where everyone can feel comfortable and welcome, and the focus is on games, not hired booth staff.

Booth babes are defined as staff of ANY gender used by exhibitors to promote their products at PAX by using overtly sexual or suggestive methods. Partial nudity, the aggressive display of cleavage and the navel, and shorts/skirts higher than 4” above the knee are not allowed. If for any reason an exhibit and/or its contents are deemed objectionable to PAX management, the exhibitor will be asked to alter the attire of its staff.

Cosplayed characters that are playable in-game are an exception to this rule (within reason), and exhibitors must obtain permission from show management prior to the show.

If for any reason an exhibit and/or its contents are deemed objectionable to PAX management, the exhibitor will be asked to alter the attire of its staff or remove those staff from the show.”

I love that this is coming from Reaxxion, one of Roosh V's website.

Cry, Roosh V, cry. Cry until you can't cry no mo'.

Booth babes are an insult to men and to women, too. I don't need a fucking booth babe to sell me on anything, just like I don't need a woman sitting on a car to sell me anything. These events, from gaming conventions to comic conventions, have big female audiences, too. They have a right to be offended by this outdated booth babe culture.

I'm with the SJW's on this, and PAX gets BONUS POINTS for pissing off Roosh V.

 

[Conager]

http://www.reaxxion.com/6150/booth-...danger-of-being-completely-banned-from-events

I love that this is coming from Reaxxion, one of Roosh V's website.

Cry, Roosh V, cry. Cry until you can't cry no mo'.

Booth babes are an insult to men and to women, too. I don't need a fucking booth babe to sell me on anything, just like I don't need a woman sitting on a car to sell me anything. These events, from gaming conventions to comic conventions, have big female audiences, too. They have a right to be offended by this outdated booth babe culture.

I'm with the SJW's on this, and PAX gets BONUS POINTS for pissing off Roosh V.

Yes, advertisers using sex to sell things is so STupiD! I can't believe they would think that would work.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Yes, advertisers using sex to sell things is so STupiD! I can't believe they would think that would work.

It works, but the ends do not justify the means.

There are lots of women now who frequent these events and it's justifiably offensive to a great many of them to run into half naked booth babes.

What's wrong with slapping a little more clothing on these booth babes?

 

[Pairaclities]

It works, but the ends do not justify the means.

There are lots of women now who frequent these events and it's justifiably offensive to a great many of them to run into half naked booth babes.

What's wrong with slapping a little more clothing on these booth babes?

I don't believe this.
I believe there are a few ugly feminists that can't get a date and are jealous of the babes.
Even other women who are in business use women/babes and sex to sell or get what they want.
It is bunk and you are dumb enough to profligate it.
The objectors are loving you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ain't happening in the auto world....

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The fender hoe is forever....across all spectrum of auto enthusiast activities. It's world wide too.

 

[mark_j]

Well shit.

Guess I can't wall paper my shop with Makita or Snap-On tool babes anymore..

It's a sad day..

 

[Conager]

Well shit.

Guess I can't wall paper my shop with Makita or Snap-On tool babes anymore..

It's a sad day..

Rigid....

It was a Rigid Tools calendar that introduced me to the delight of the under-boob peeking out from a crop-top. I don;t think I even fully understood the concept of fellatio at the time, but i knew there was something sexual going on with those tools.

 

[lovecraft68]

It works, but the ends do not justify the means.

There are lots of women now who frequent these events and it's justifiably offensive to a great many of them to run into half naked booth babes.

What's wrong with slapping a little more clothing on these booth babes?

What's wrong is this society has become more more more, everything has to be in their faces and blatant because imagination? That went out the door around the time the internet was created.

Personally I find a well dressed woman sexier than one shoving her tits right out there at me. But I'm also 47 and had a brain before the internet came along.

 

[Conager]

What's wrong is this society has become more more more, everything has to be in their faces and blatant because imagination? That went out the door around the time the internet was created.

Personally I find a well dressed woman sexier than one shoving her tits right out there at me. But I'm also 47 and had a brain before the internet came along.

I am 50 and had very little exposure to pornography of any type in my youth. booth babes certainly pre-date the Internet.

I happen to agree that something left to the imagination is sexier, which would make 1950's models more objectifiable than the current standard, no?

The Bikini is not a post Internet invention.

 

[Liar]

Isn't PAX usually crawling with half naked semi professional cosplayers anyway?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Isn't PAX usually crawling with half naked semi professional cosplayers anyway?

PAX is implying they may be asked to dress up if they're too "half naked".

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't believe this.
I believe there are a few ugly feminists that can't get a date and are jealous of the babes.

There is literally no such thing as a woman who can't get a date. There is only a woman who can't stand the men who are pursuing her.

That's like the first meta-law of biology: there is no such thing as a universally undesirable female.

Even other women who are in business use women/babes and sex to sell or get what they want.
It is bunk and you are dumb enough to profligate it.
The objectors are loving you.

Plenty of women don't.

 

[hashtag45]

There is literally no such thing as a woman who can't get a date. There is only a woman who can't stand the men who are pursuing her.

That's like the first meta-law of biology: there is no such thing as a universally undesirable female.


Plenty of women don't.

This thread idea is funny as shit !


Re your replies: Thumbs up, LJ.
See? Ppl. jumped on me when I said you're not the missogynist they take you to be. And I was right; you're not.
It's the quiet ones who surprise you in the end.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

This thread idea is funny as shit !


Re your replies: Thumbs up, LJ.
See? Ppl. jumped on me when I said you're not the missogynist they take you to be. And I was right; you're not.
It's the quiet ones who surprise you in the end.

Their issue with me is I bring up shit that women do, a lot. I act as a counterweight to the "men are evil" trope that Western society never sees the end of. But if I lived in the Middle East I would literally be the exact opposite: I'd be railing on the Wahhabists and their treatment of women. As it is I never miss a chance to piss on Republicans and how they treat women. Because I live in Republican land.

The way I see things? Radical feminism and Conservatism are two bigoted heads sharing the same heart. The entire gender discussion is dominated by two forces: radical feminists whose entire agenda is REVENGE POLITICS and Conservatives who think women are just fucking THINGS.

If it was up to me I would annihilate both sides.

Here's a thing about men's rights: our issue is male expendability. Male expendability is the poisonous bedrock of life - it rules the entire lower animal kingdom and the human universe, too. Men are treated as disposable objects; women are not (except for China and India and they're paying a dear price for that). For instance, if a tiger comes charging down the street at you and some random male, he's expected to stand between the two of you, while society says it is okay for you to run. If you are seen facing the tiger and he runs and leaves you in the tiger's path, he's a fucking coward and will be shamed forever. This is worse for him if he's your husband. But if you abandon him while he fights the tiger (and becomes lunch), you're forgiven for that cowardice. That's male disposability. Also see: homeless men, and men in distress. A man in distress is a loser, something to laugh at. Women in distress, well, you know how the trope goes: it's someone's duty to save her. If people fail to save her, it's called a tragedy. If a man in distress dies, it's meh. It's always been like that, even in the animal kingdom. Especially among lower animals.

Male disposability is a spiked floor - if men fall down to the spiked floor they're dead, or at least meta-dead. In response Patriarchy invented a glass ceiling below the spiked floor, above which women were not allowed to rise. Why? I'll explain below. Basically, men's entire lives are dedicated to keeping above the spiked floor. Not just human men, either - but all animal species. (Even lions.) Patriarchy did not cause this: Patriarchy merely responded to it.

Patriarchy and objectification of women is nothing more than sugar coating to go on top of the shit that's male disposability. It brings women down a peg so that men can have power over them. Without Patriarchy women would be equal to men and few women would want men - what use are guys when women can handle things? A society like that would just collapse for lack of children. THAT is why Patriarchal societies rose to dominance.

But that's not saying Patriarchy is good. It's the first wrench humans reached for to fix the problem of male disposability. Nature doesn't go for a proper solution; it goes for the first thing up the list that works: and Patriarchy was the first thing up above raw male expendability. It is just oppressing women to compensate for disposable men. In the end, with Patriarchy, it's a wrong to compensate for a wrong, and in the end, nobody is free. To me, that's bad.

The real solution that we are capable of, given the privilege of our neo cortex, is egalitarianism: in which nobody is expendable. In an egalitarian society men do not have to keep above that 'spiked floor' to be valued; nor do women have to be held down. In an egalitarian society men aren't threatened by successful women and women don't look down on unsuccessful men. In an egalitarian society we either don't chastise men for cowardice, or we chastise both/all genders.

We've got a looooooooooong way to go before most humans contemplate egalitarianism. It's going to take little short of a second arrival of Jesus, literally speaking, to push us to that point.

 

[Conager]

Perhaps you feel expendable because you do not add value. Women may trade up from time to time, but last I checked dicks are more popular than dildos.

Being an angry little ranting man is not sexy. It has never worked for me.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Perhaps you feel expendable because you do not add value. Women may trade up from time to time, but last I checked dicks are more popular than dildos.

Being an angry little ranting man is not sexy. It has never worked for me.

So instead you become a groveling self-hating cur that accepts your role as an expendable object. You keep your head down and try not to speak up except in defense of the system.

You're a feeble minded, spineless sheep. I've got no time for the likes of you.

Abandoning Men: Jill Gets Welfare–Jack Becomes Homeless

To put it simply: men are neither supposed nor allowed to be dependent. They are expected to take care of others and themselves. And when they cannot or will not do it, then the assumption at the heart of the culture is that they are somehow less than men and therefore unworthy of help. An irony asserts itself: by being in need of help, men forfeit the right to it.

 

[badbabysitter]

Men are "expendable" because they keep choosing to see themselves that way and judging men for not feeling that way.

Men are expected to live up to stereotypes and assigned gender roles, any deviation from that ends up with ridicule and judgement. You yourself have judged those me LT.. every time you've called a man a mangina... you are guilty of the very thing you rail against.

Most of what you say is bang on....but you keep end up blaming the wrong people for it and then reinforcing sexist things


You want egalitarianism, but go out and say women are doomed without men... but somehow men are not doomed without women

In an egalitarian society women dont look down on women for not living up to gender roles.... just as men shouldnt look down on men for not living up to gender roles

In an egalitarian society one doesnt insult men by implying that having a vagina is a sign of weakness

In an egalitarian we wouldnt chastise anyone for perceived cowardice based on their gender roles

and what the hell is this?

Without Patriarchy women would be equal to men and few women would want men - what use are guys when women can handle things? A society like that would just collapse for lack of children.


you want equality but fear that it would fall apart do to women no longer wanting children...that's some pretty sexist bullshit right there.. which is literally the opposite of wnating equlity

in an equal society women would still want children... to think otherwise is just some MRA apocalyptic fantasy of a world without men

 

[Conager]

So instead you become a groveling self-hating cur that accepts your role as an expendable object. You keep your head down and try not to speak up except in defense of the system.

You're a feeble minded, spineless sheep. I've got no time for the likes of you.

Abandoning Men: Jill Gets Welfare–Jack Becomes Homeless

Laughs. Project much, little man?

 

[hashtag45]

Their issue with me is I bring up shit that women do, a lot. I act as a counterweight to the "men are evil" trope that Western society never sees the end of. But if I lived in the Middle East I would literally be the exact opposite: I'd be railing on the Wahhabists and their treatment of women. As it is I never miss a chance to piss on Republicans and how they treat women. Because I live in Republican land.

The way I see things? Radical feminism and Conservatism are two bigoted heads sharing the same heart. The entire gender discussion is dominated by two forces: radical feminists whose entire agenda is REVENGE POLITICS and Conservatives who think women are just fucking THINGS.
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Leaving aside the debate as to whether LJ is a misogynist or not, and taking out of the equation some of the less controversial aspects of his post (some of which I do not agree with either, indeed),
I felt that LJ actually raised some v. interesting issues, and I personally enjoyed reading them

One thing that I might add to what you said, LJ : I think that our gender, race and our personal experiences might also influence our views on this matter.

1.You, LJ, for instance (hope you don't mind me appr. the issue)
I understand that you are a black male living in the US or England. I don't know about England, but from what I read online about the US (so correct me if my sources of info were wrong):
- it's not as straightforward as saying that prejudice is directed towards black people in general. It's Black Men who suffer the most. Aka you are more likely to be stopped by a cop if you are a black male driver, than a black woman. And the same goes for job interviews
- I also suspect that you might have had some personal experiences that made you more aware and attuned to these issues

2.Other posters' lived experience might have been opposite to yours

3. Me
-. As a wh. woman raised in a european country, I was lucky. Even though my mother carried the whole kitchen duty burden whilst my dad was twiddling his thumbs, both my parents related to each others as equals in all other areas. And I was also lucky from then on, having related as an equal to most people that I encountered.
- So not having lived the experience, I was never motivated to sharpen my eyes and ears towards the issue of gender bias. But it Does exist where I currently live (Australasia); it's just that, until now, I wasn't motivated to pick that up.

 

[badbabysitter]

I was wondering why the article was so insanely vague about studies that it bordered on ineptitidue about the plight of the homeless.. and the platitudes and generalized sweeping notions were making my head spin

then I looked closer

it was written in 1991

jesus fuck man


words can not describe the stupid

 

[someoneyouknow]

Ignoring PAX for the moment, other than getting guys (or possibly lesbians) to ogle a booth babe, what purpose do they serve to advertise your product/service? They certainly don't know anything, can't tell you more than what they've memorized and in general are ONLY there to be eye candy. They're just models brought in for the event.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Ignoring PAX for the moment, other than getting guys (or possibly lesbians) to ogle a booth babe, what purpose do they serve to advertise your product/service? They certainly don't know anything, can't tell you more than what they've memorized and in general are ONLY there to be eye candy. They're just models brought in for the event.

Exactly, they serve no purpose at all.

 

[Conager]

Exactly, they serve no purpose at all.

You are SO right. The curve on a Coca-Cola bottle is SO stupid too. You can get more volume using less glass and weight without it!

Same thing for the Stingray Corvette. How STUPID to waste all that fiberglass on curves.

You should be in charge of marketing for one of these asshole companies. You would save these companies SO much money at these trade shows which are, after all, marketing.

The PROPER way to sell a product is to list all of its nifty features in san serif script on plain white paper. If you want to jazz it up, why not use bullet points?

Also, why should hot young nubiles be able to earn some easy money on the weekends? It isn't like you and I ever get hired to stand around a booth, amirite? That is discrimination against ugly chicks and discrimination is WRONG!

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Leaving aside the debate as to whether LJ is a misogynist or not, and taking out of the equation some of the less controversial aspects of his post (some of which I do not agree with either, indeed),
I felt that LJ actually raised some v. interesting issues, and I personally enjoyed reading them

One thing that I might add to what you said, LJ : I think that our gender, race and our personal experiences might also influence our views on this matter.

1.You, LJ, for instance (hope you don't mind me appr. the issue)
I understand that you are a black male living in the US or England. I don't know about England, but from what I read online about the US (so correct me if my sources of info were wrong):
- it's not as straightforward as saying that prejudice is directed towards black people in general. It's Black Men who suffer the most. Aka you are more likely to be stopped by a cop if you are a black male driver, than a black woman. And the same goes for job interviews
- I also suspect that you might have had some personal experiences that made you more aware and attuned to these issues

2.Other posters' lived experience might have been opposite to yours

3. Me
-. As a wh. woman raised in a european country, I was lucky. Even though my mother carried the whole kitchen duty burden whilst my dad was twiddling his thumbs, both my parents related to each others as equals in all other areas. And I was also lucky from then on, having related as an equal to most people that I encountered.
- So not having lived the experience, I was never motivated to sharpen my eyes and ears towards the issue of gender bias. But it Does exist where I currently live (Australasia); it's just that, until now, I wasn't motivated to pick that up.

I'm in the United States. Here's my perspective on things.

Being a black male in the US means I pretty much have a statistical target on my head. The police here think that if they confront me for a traffic stop I'm a bigger threat than the AK47-wielding white dude they might encounter on the street.

Yet the typical FEMINIST says that on the scale of privilege I rank about #2, below the RICH white male. Because I'm a CIS Hetero affluent male who has one privilege point removed for being black.

Fun fact: blacks who are killed by cops are twice as likely to be unarmed. We also get sentenced for longer terms than white men, as well as absolutely any race of women, for the exact same crime.

See what's wrong with all that?

When the feminists get done stomping the CIS hetero affluent white males for the crimes they've committed (the radioactivity of collective guilt, folks), guess who's next on the privilege ladder? Yup, us black men. Because, while white women are actually the real #2 on the privilege ladder, in the feminist world, they're women - the halo of collective innocence. That halo, mind you, doesn't get applied to African American women.

African American women, now there's a conundrum of an issue for us black American men. Their lives are hard, and partially because black men and other black women help make it hard. But that's for another, long post.

 

[Pairaclities]

Yep. sucks to be you.