Bombs in Jerusalem and the Israelis say this is a clear case of murder...

p_p_man

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They didn't say much about the shooting by the Israeli army of some Palestian schoolkids, one of them 11, for throwing stones a few hours ago did they?

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These folks need to solve this problem. I feel like an exasperated father saying to his kids, "I don't care whose fault it was. I just want y'all to quit." Every time that this happens the US has to come out and back Israel and that loses points for US with the Arabs. I'm hereby signing on to the PC plan for peace in Palestine: a big-ass Berlin-Wall-style barrier. "Israel, you go play in your room. Palestine, you go to your room. You're not allowed to play together until you prove you can play nice."
 
i've said it b4 and i'll say it again

just give 'em all 72 hours to evacuate and then nuke jerusalem. problem solved.
 
My Ultra-Radical Solution to this, and other regional conflicts.

I actually came up with this when the situation in Bosnia was reaching a flashpoint. It's still valid there, and it'd work in the Middle East, a few places in Africa, the India/Pakistan area, Greece/Turkey, and a couple other places, too. It's an idea for countries or regions where there's just ot of control fighting between tribes, or ethnic groups, or just two countries who can't seem to settle their hash.

The big nations, the ones who have learned, for the most part, toplay nice and not lob bombs at each other, at least directly (okay..leave this point alone. It's not important to the idea) - The US, England, Australia, Russia, much of Europe and you get the idea. Well what we do is just set up an armed cordon around the two disputing groups. We truck in a s***load of guns and ammo and tell them:

"Okay, here's the deal. Y'll can't seem to settle this and our best efforts haven't worked either. So here's what's going to happen. You're going to take these guns and your're going to fight it out. YOu're going to shoot, stab, bomb, and maul each other until you have soaked on so much of each others' blood that you can't stand it, or until one side has completely wiped out the other. At this point, we don't much care. We're just tired of your fighting all the time. When you're done, come see us and we'll work out a peace plan. But if you so much as twitch at the plan we negotiate, you're going back in the cordon and you're going to do it again until you're really tired of killing each other. What about the innocents, you say? There are none. If there were innocents, they would ahve risen up long ago and stopped this silliness. Instead, they just grow up to be hate-filled killers. So..no. Maybe that'll give you some pause to think about what your'e doing.

Now, there are ground rules. No nukes. You pop a nuke and it's over. You lose. We all nuke you until you glow for a thousand years. No tanks, no planes - just the guns we give you. We find out you're using anythig else and we stomp you like bugs. Period. No negotiations, no second chances. Got it? Now get to it. We'll be here when you're done".

Yeah, I know it's extreme. I swear, though,it may just be the only way we will end the fighting in these places. Just let them kill and kill and kill without fear that the killing will spill outside that region.

God....I'm just tired of this.
 
Really i thought that it Origanally started over 1,000 yrs ago with the Crusades, You know the Christian Invasion for the Holy land that still hasn't stoped just new charactors and Religious factions fighting for control over the land that the PHILOSOPHER, Jesus Christ, walked and preached on... Kind of funny tho..... that the Christians Wont acknowledge Jesus Christ's Writtings but only the writtings about him.. only cause he wrote that Churches corrupt and shouldn't be used...

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jzzman

eer see the episode of that 70s show wher the kids stop speaking and red takes them out to the garage to fight.
"C'mon you two there' only one way to setle this...no well then forget it. if u atren't mad enoug to bare iknuckle box, u rn't mad enough."
so itwould seem the idea is.lose not just he tanks and rockets, but the shitload of guns too. u'd be surprised how much more frightened people can be of the fista few feet awy, than the rifle at a distance of 2000 yards.

welcome to fight club.
 
I guess what tires me the second most.

Is that the knee-jerk reaction is to say, as was said in the post to which you commented, PC, "Man, those religious nuts. It's all religion's fault. Religion sucks. You shouldn't believe anything strongly".

That's not really the problem at all. The problem is that there are men who use their power and influence to press their religion and squash every other religion, using any means at their disposal. Don't like the Muslims? Call a Crusade! Don't like Christians? Call a Jihad? Don't like those peksy Buddhists? Invade China! Hell, nearly every country in the world, has gone through something just like this, and it's not the fault of the religion, or of someone with strong religious beliefs.

It's the fault of people who believe that everyone *must* believe like they do. It's not enough for them to say that they believe they're right, and everyone else can believe what they will. No, dammit, it has to come to killing.

That's just stupid, and it's still not the fault of religion. Hell, I know that. I have my own beliefs. They're strong. I believe that I'm right, and those who don't believe as I do are wrong. But I don't go to war about it, and I'm not going to. You believe what you want to. It's your eternity. YOu can like what I believe or not, but if you extend me the same courtesy I extend you, then we're good, right? No fighting about it - not killing, at least. Good debate, sure. I can handle that.

Hell. It's late, and this subject really gets me going. I should shut up now. :)
 
I know Jazzman I can relate as well and even tho I know I started something with all the Crusade talk, and probably hit a nerv as well.. but I can also go on for hours about the subject as well... but I have a feeling that right now neither one of us has the time at the moment to discuss it further.. but maybe sometime we will ;)

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Break up the Axis between the USA and Israel...

and push Israel back within its legal borders.

Pour massive aid into Palestine to get rid of the neglect the West has created over 40 years.

Set up a buffer third Government comprising of representatives from both sides whose sole aim will be to discuss joint ventures to be submitted to their own respective, elected Governments

and...

Make it quite plain that any signs of aggression from one side to the other will result in the bombing and destruction of both countries and the elimination of their elected Governments.

and...

if it does come to that put in the non-partisan Governmen to run things until elections can take place.

Then pour aid into both sides to repair war damage caused by the bombing.

Simple really. But George isn't the man to do it. Too weak.

:(
 
pp

is tony the man to do it?
and what exactly do you mean when you say the west?
and why does anything have to be done? let's just let them kill each other.
 
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paganangel

Doing it my way will show the rest of the Islamic world, except the hardcore nutters of course, that the matter was being dealt with in a fair and honourable manner.

One country could not do it by itself because of the fallout that this action would create. It would have to be carried out on a multi-national level, the more the merrier.

No Tony's not the man...

Maybe Pultsin?

Mayor Guiliani (sp) springs to mind if he was President. But he's not. Not yet anyway.

I can see my soluition bringing peace and prosperity to the region and a more trusting attitude between the Middle East and the rest of us with interests in the area.

A big step towards ultimate World Peace...



:)
 
Re: i've said it b4 and i'll say it again

paganangel said:
just give 'em all 72 hours to evacuate and then nuke jerusalem. problem solved.

Maybe you should consider using smilies after all. I certainly hope there would be a "winking" one with this post.
 
And you said I was simplistic about....

p_p_man said:
and push Israel back within its legal borders.

Pour massive aid into Palestine to get rid of the neglect the West has created over 40 years.

Set up a buffer third Government comprising of representatives from both sides whose sole aim will be to discuss joint ventures to be submitted to their own respective, elected Governments

and...

Make it quite plain that any signs of aggression from one side to the other will result in the bombing and destruction of both countries and the elimination of their elected Governments.

and...

if it does come to that put in the non-partisan Governmen to run things until elections can take place.

Then pour aid into both sides to repair war damage caused by the bombing.

Simple really. But George isn't the man to do it. Too weak.

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World peace. Puleeeze. The fighting will never stop in the Mideast for a bizillion reasons, the chief two being that Israel exists and it exists smack dab in the middle of a bizillion Arabs. The Arabs hate the Jews and all the aid in the world isn't gonna help. Neither is an imposed peace plan.

The Arabs want Israel destroyed and Israel is not gonna allow that to happen. Don't think for one moment if Israel is backed into a corner that it won't use nuclear weapons to destroy it's enemy and save itself. The Intafada is nursery school compared to that. The Israelis will never allow themselves to be butchered again.

And just tell me, oh brilliant one,(sarcasm intended, but only in a loving way), who fired the first shot or killed the first civilian?? I sure don't know. But I do know that there will never likely be a "last" shot until each side to this insanity realizes that their childrens' future well-being is more important than killing each other.

Ya know, p_p_man, I really like you, but sometimes I feel like I want to reach into my computer screen and smack you, bless your heart. Post on, oh brilliant on, post on. (No sarcasm intended, this time, :))

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sorry cheyenne

but there wasn't an ounce of sarcasm there.

consider...what would have happened had soloman winked?
 
FlamingoBlue

You hit the nail on the head, Boo-Blue.

Why is it so hard for people to accept the fact that the Arab world will never rest as long as Israel exists?
 
Re: sorry cheyenne

paganangel said:
but there wasn't an ounce of sarcasm there.

consider...what would have happened had soloman winked?

I have to ask again because I can't believe a sane person really would thing the answer is to "nuke Jerusalem."

You're serious?

If so, I just put you in the same category as Yayati- a few eggs short of a dozen.
 
Shit can Ariel Sharon. There won't be a chance for a cease fire in the disputed zone while Sharon insists on his policy of retribution. I'm Jewish but can still manage to see the plight of the palestinians. And with the Isreali Army not discriminating when it comes to day to day targets, anybody thinking about peace in that region is pissing into the wind. :(
 
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kiwiwolf said:
And with the Isreali Army not discriminating when it comes to day to day targets, anybody thinking about peace in that region is pissing into the wind. :(

And with my pal Bush making another long pro-Israeli statement today without a mention of the schoolkids being murdered by Israeli soldiers a couple of days ago doesn't help either.

I doubt if that man will ever learn...

:(
 
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