Below the belt

[Lazaran]

What? We're all still selling arms and drones to Israel! Politicians talk a good game, nobody has sanctioned Israel.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/a...d-or-restricted-arms-sales-to-israel-gaza-war

 

[Winter_Fare]

Are you related to Abu Obaida? You sound like the Hamas spokesman. Did you know they classify 17 to 19-year-old militants as "children"? Not that it would matter to you if you did...

Better save some of that fake whining for later, because it’s going to take years... and they haven’t even started paying for 10/7.

Are you serious? Grow up.

 

[Winter_Fare]

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/a...d-or-restricted-arms-sales-to-israel-gaza-war

Yes we. Germany. USA. UK.the big players are still arming Israel, just making the odd noise about maybe not continuing to unless Israel starts allowing humanitarian efforts to increase. Toothless.

 

[Lazaran]

That's a load of rubbish. An enemy journalist is still a journalist. You're literally making shit up.

An independent journalist in a free country is a journalist.

The term you’re looking for is “base propagandist”.

 

[Winter_Fare]

An independent journalist in a free country is a journalist.

The term you’re looking for is “base propagandist”.

The term you're looking for is civilian non combatants.

 

[Lazaran]

The term you're looking for is civilian non combatants.

“Affiliated combatants out of uniform engaging in informational warfare / sabotage”.

 

[Plathfan]

Did you know they shot thousands of their own people trying to evacuate from conflict zones, forcing them to serve as human shields? They’re doing it right now in Jabalia.

Did you know that, according to an October 8 poll (a day later), 93% of them supported the atrocities?

On January 20th, the administration of evil will fall, and the world will be safer.

 

[Politruk]

On January 20th, the administration of evil will fall, and the world will be safer.

That's when Netanyahu leaves office?

 

[Winter_Fare]

“Affiliated combatants out of uniform engaging in informational warfare / sabotage”.

So many lies. The source you linked with the names and affiliations of the dead is hardly a bastion of impartial information though is it?

 

[Winter_Fare]

Did you know they shot thousands of their own people trying to evacuate from conflict zones, forcing them to serve as human shields? They’re doing it right now in Jabalia.

Did you know that, according to an October 8 poll (a day later), 93% of them supported the atrocities?

On January 20th, the administration of evil will fall, and the world will be safer.

I mean really? I'll just take your word shall I?

 

[Plathfan]

I mean really? I'll just take your word shall I?

You haven't answered. Are you related to Abu Obaida, Hamas spokesman?

And just a reminder, since this BS is obviously going nowhere: they haven’t even started paying for 10/7!

 

[Winter_Fare]

You haven't answered. Are you related to Abu Obaida, Hamas spokesman?

And just a reminder, since this BS is obviously going nowhere: they haven’t even started paying for 10/7!

If I was, why would I dox myself???
The audacity of you.
Abu Obaida stated in a public speech that 85% of the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades' recruits are orphans desiring revenge whose parents were killed by the Israeli Defense Forces. Hate. Breeds. Hate.

 

[Winter_Fare]

Anyway, that's enough political trolling for me for one night x but you all carry on and knock yourselves out.

 

[Plathfan]

If I was, why would I dox myself???
The audacity of you.
Abu Obaida stated in a public speech that 85% of the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades' recruits are orphans desiring revenge whose parents were killed by the Israeli Defense Forces. Hate. Breeds. Hate.

They come from a 10,000-year culture of murderous violence and hate. They don’t need the Jews to kill each other, throw gays off roofs, or treat women like cattle. They suckle hatred with their mother's milk and are brainwashed to behead infidels from infancy. But I guess that, unlike the other useful idiots, you already know that... Fatima.

 

[Winter_Fare]

They come from a 10,000-year culture of murderous violence and hate. They don’t need Jews to kill each other, throw gays off roofs, or treat women like cattle. They suckle hatred with their mother's milk and are brainwashed to behead infidels from infancy. But I guess that, unlike the other useful idiots, you already know that...

Salam Alaikum to you too xxx night

 

[Politruk]

Leaving aside the war, this particular op with the explosive pagers is a bad business, and some Mossad agents need to suffer for it, if not hang from lampposts. Israel needs its own Church Committee hearings.

Seriously, why is there not widespread outrage in Israel over this?!

 

[DukeofPaducah]

Let’s go to the tot board and compare
Lives lost in total.
Civilians killed or injured

Displaced citizens living in camps dependent on aid.
Economies trashed, property demolished.

Give some serious thought to what might be considered a measured response.
I know you think those terrorists need to stop shooting first.
That’s what those other terrorists think too.

Humanity and sanity have left the building.

 

[Politruk]

They come from a 10,000-year culture of murderous violence and hate.

The Jews have their roots in that culture.

 

[Lazaran]

Let’s go to the tot board and compare
Lives lost in total.
Civilians killed or injured

Displaced citizens living in camps dependent on aid.
Economies trashed, property demolished.

Yes, let’s total up the score:

1) The blame for the death and destruction in Israel on 10/7 is COMPLETELY on Hamas, Iran, Russia, etc.

2) The blame for the death and destruction in Gaza is (being EXTREMELY GENEROUS to Hanas, Iran, Russia, etc) SHARED by Hamas, Iran, Russia, etc, AND Israel.

Now do the math…

 

[deckardB26354]

The same offer is extended to you:

Cite an unprovoked act of aggression committed by the state of Israel against its neighbors.

The reason you will struggle to find one, is because Israel has been under perpetual siege from its Arab / Muslim neighbors since its inception / independence.

The Arab / Muslim world will not tolerate any non Arab / Muslim controlled state in the region. And as Islam expands, its intolerance expands with it - like most religions.

Well, it looks like I’m a bit behind in this thread, but here’s a few things that I found with a quick search…I’m sure I could find more, but it looks like a lot of posts are already refuting your claim.

A timeline of recent violence between Israelis and Palestinians​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/22/israel-palestinian-violence-timeline/

April 4 [2023]​

Around midnight Tuesday, Israeli forces raided one of Islam’s holiest sites, al-Aqsa Mosque, after prayers. Videos showed Israeli troops beating people inside the mosque with batons. About 350 Palestinians were arrested, and more than 30 Palestinians and two Israeli officers were injured.

Police said they carried out the raid after a group of worshipers locked themselves inside the building and threw rocks and firecrackers at them as they entered the prayer hall. It’s Ramadan, and Muslims often stay in mosques to pray late into the night.

April 5​

The raid prompted early-morning rocket strikes from the Gaza Strip. Israel then conducted retaliatory airstrikes on the strip.

Israeli border police take up positions Wednesday near the al-Aqsa Mosque compound, known to Jews as the Temple Mount. (Ammar Awad/Reuters). On Wednesday night, Israeli police raided the mosque compound again, using stun grenades and batons to disperse hundreds of worshipers gathering for nightly Ramadan Taraweeh prayers.

April 6​

More than 30 rockets were launched from southern Lebanon into northern Israel. Israel’s air defense system intercepted most of them, and no group asserted responsibility for the assault. The Lebanese government condemned the attack, one of the largest since the two countries fought a war in 2006.

Rockets from Gaza were also fired into Israel.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed firm retaliation. “We will cripple our enemies, and they will pay a price for every act of aggression,” he said Thursday.

April 7​

In the early morning, Israel launched airstrikes on Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, saying it was targeting the “terrorist infrastructure” of Hamas, the militant group that controls Gaza. The Lebanese government called the strikes “a blatant violation of Lebanon’s sovereignty.”

After the strikes, two Israeli sisters were killed in a shooting in the West Bank. Another attack took place in Tel Aviv. A car rammed into a crowd, running over multiple people, according to Israeli police. One person was killed. Hamas celebrated both attacks but did not claim responsibility for them.

‘Pure terrorism’: World reacts to Israeli settler attack in West Bank​

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...reacts-to-israeli-settler-attack-in-west-bank

Palestinians in the occupied West Bank are reeling after Israeli settlers ravaged a village overnight, killing a 23-year-old man and injuring several others in the latest incident of deadly violence against Palestinians in the area.

The Palestinian Health Ministry said on Friday that Mahmoud Abdel Qader Sadda was fatally shot in the attack on Jit, in the northern West Bank about 10km (six miles) west of Nablus.

Dozens of masked Israeli settlers descended on the village, opening fire on residents, setting cars ablaze and destroying homes and other property, according to witnesses and video footage from the assault.

The attack came amid a surge in Israeli military and settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank, which has unfolded in the shadow of Israel’s war on the Gaza Strip.

End game: What’s Israel’s plan in the occupied West Bank?​

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/16/end-game-what-is-israels-plan-in-the-occupied-west-bank

In the occupied West Bank, the war on Gaza has provided cover for continued Israeli violence and expansion.

On Wednesday, Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich announced new plans to expand settlements in the occupied Palestinian territory, ignoring international law and the International Court of Justice’s recent ruling that Israel’s continued presence there is unlawful.

“No anti-Israel or anti-Zionist decision will stop the development of the settlement,” Smotrich, who leads the Religious Zionist Party and is himself a settler, said.

“We will continue to fight against the dangerous idea of a Palestinian state. This is the mission of my life,” he continued on the same day that the Israeli military raided the West Bank cities of Hebron and Nablus.

In addition, Israel has been expanding illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank, despite repeated international condemnation.

An “act of aggression” here is rooted in subjectivity—especially for this issue—but regardless of how these acts are perceived there’s certainly a “it takes two to tango” feel. It’s not by any means “Israel defending itself” when it’s the aggressor.

 

[Plathfan]

The Jews have their roots in that culture.

Not quite. While they had brief friction with the Midianites and even borrowed the name "Yahweh" from them, they never married 9-year-olds, exploited their kin, or abused domestic animals. They never worshiped death or took morbid pleasure in wallowing in blood.

If you’re looking for roots, compare how many Nobel Prizes ten million Jews have earned to those of 400 million Arab Muslims. (Hint: Excluding the Peace Prize, that "culture" has only three.)

 

[deckardB26354]

You nor I know anything for certain about the circumstances surrounding any isolated killing in Gaza, because Gaza is a free journalism black hole at the moment.

The IDF just doesn’t let journalists roam around and submit any stories that they like. They have been escorting journalists and are fed their agendas and even sensor journalists’ footage in some cases before returning it to them. It’s not unlike the treatment that journalists receive when reporting from communist China.

 

[deckardB26354]

The only way a "journalist" would be allowed to report in Gaza, is if they are sympathetic to Hamas and the Palestinian cause; full stop.

Please cite a source for this comment—because I’d really like to know how you know this for a fact when nobody from the press is allowed into Gaza (as you said).

 

[deckardB26354]

The international community has continually sided with Hamas and Hezbollah ever since they attacked Israel without provocation a year ago.

I’m calling bullshit on this and unless you have facts proving this, I’d think that you might want to reassess how you’re painting this picture.

I’ve not seen or heard anything from the “international community” that sides with Hamas/Hezbollah. Protests from ignorant anarchists that want to start shit perhaps, but I’ve not seen anything from a single country or government (outside of the usual suspects like Iran) that have sided with the terrorists.

The way that you and others are just saying things that are so pro-Israel without a shred of proof (or empathy for the innocents on the other side) makes me wonder if you don’t have a “Make Israel Great Again” hat somewhere in your house.

 

[DukeofPaducah]

Yes, let’s total up the score:

1) The blame for the death and destruction in Israel on 10/7 is COMPLETELY on Hamas, Iran, Russia, etc.

2) The blame for the death and destruction in Gaza is (being EXTREMELY GENEROUS to Hanas, Iran, Russia, etc) SHARED by Hamas, Iran, Russia, etc, AND Israel.

Now do the math…

This fair and balanced estimate of equity is reminiscent of Fox News.