Behold a raw example of female self-entitlement and laziness.

[LJ_Reloaded]

Most women are flagrantly self-entitled. They expect men to do all the work in courtship and abide by female rules while doing so. Very very few women are NOT like this.

When men don't cater to a woman's sense of self-entitlement, they whine like little spoiled children, case in point, this article.

This woman never thinks that maybe she should be the one to show some incentive. There's a reason why she doesn't - she thinks that because she's a woman, she's entitled to men taking all the risks for her.

Most women feel entitled to have men assume all the risks in courtship.

Men's rights groups should fucking DRILL THIS POINT IN. It is absolute fact. It is time that women CHECK THEIR FUCKING PRIVILEGES.

Fedoras off to the guys in Seattle, don't cater to these women's sense of self-entitlement. If she wants a man, she can take some of the risks of courtship, too.


http://seattletimes.com/html/opinion/2021142903_daniellecampoamoropedxml.html

Guest: What’s wrong with Seattle’s dating scene

Seattle men are far different from any other: shy, timid, and seemingly incapable of striking up a conversation, writes guest columnist Danielle Campoamor.

I quickly learned that Seattle men are far different from any other I’ve encountered: shy, timid and seemingly incapable of striking up a conversation, let alone offering to buy a female a drink. The Seattle males’ inability to successfully merge with their female counterparts reminds me of the colossal cluster that is I-5 onramps. Much like a Seattleite merging onto a freeway, our men’s apprehensive tendencies leave them incapable of finding either the open lane or the open bar stool.

Like a Seattleite’s driving, which is among the worst according to two years of Allstate claims data, Seattle men are unable to properly insert themselves, thanks to a “no, you go first” mindset, creating a plethora of blundering crash-and-burn scenarios.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Pity there aren't more women like this:

She coulda ended that with, "We're done here, folks, you can close the blog comments now."

 

[BotanyBoy]

God damn traffic....can't even rage at a mother fucker for it b/c they ARE being polite after all.

Personally I don't think this is shyness.....Seattle is fucking high as hell...stoners aren't aggro. What happens when you put super chill behind the wheel?

"Good day sir!! By all means go first....I'm too baked to try and jockey you for the extra 4 inches here b/c it won't help me get anywhere faster if I get in an accident now will it??"

Same thing happens socially.....stoners like low pressure 'hanging out'. Lounging, shooting the shit with friends, enjoy some coffee/tea/water (like 90+% of pot heads don't drink much either).

Tend to treat the whole "hitting on women" bit the same way....if she wants to join for a puff and chat she will. If not then there is no point in my going over and trying to crawl up her skirt to get her to give me attention....fuck her, let's go get a sandwich.

Add to that Seattle's inherent appeal and perfect environment for an entire city of introverted hermits and it's kinda like "Well what did you expect? A fucking Miami beach club??".

Missing home till november .....CO isn't bad though...better grow season

 

[badbabysitter]

The kinda thinking in the op-ed always makes me shake my head


" men who are too shy" = pussies

" men who are too agressive" = jerks

it invokes gender role bullshit all little girls are still being taught..that we still will find prince charming who will be perfect and take care of us and blah blah blah

men are taught the bullshit too.. take the girl out, open doors for her, pay the bills, be a success or women won't love me, i take care of her and she comforts me

 

[BotanyBoy]

The kinda thinking in the op-ed always makes me shake my head


" men who are too shy" = pussies

" men who are too agressive" = jerks

it invokes gender role bullshit all little girls are still being taught..that we still will find prince charming who will be perfect and take care of us and blah blah blah

men are taught the bullshit too.. take the girl out, open doors for her, pay the bills, be a success or women won't love me, i take care of her and she comforts me

True...and I think in a lot of places this is far more apparent.

(context of the following statement is one of a general overview, I know there are always exceptions.)

But have you been to Seattle lately? It's a pretty progressive town...and I think this is one area where due to the negative views of gender roles in general the men have progressed beyond the women as far as courtship goes. Bleeding down from political/economic views it's only natural that it would have an effect on this aspect as well. I just don't think most women really saw this aspect coming nor did they plan on how they would deal with it and this is just part of the social growing pains in moving towards gender equality in the social arena.

That isn't to say some women haven't adapted famously....many depending on where you look. But there are some HORRIBLE places too...like the south where a LOT of women still expect the full 1800's treatment of an aristocratic southern belle, and there is a lot of butthurt going on in hickville over not getting it.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

The kinda thinking in the op-ed always makes me shake my head


" men who are too shy" = pussies

" men who are too agressive" = jerks

it invokes gender role bullshit all little girls are still being taught..that we still will find prince charming who will be perfect and take care of us and blah blah blah

men are taught the bullshit too.. take the girl out, open doors for her, pay the bills, be a success or women won't love me, i take care of her and she comforts me

... and it also contributes to the "if you did all this stuff to court her, you're entitled to get laid" mindset. (Which is NOT a desirable mindset.)

 

[badbabysitter]

... and it also contributes to the "if you did all this stuff to court her, you're entitled to get laid" mindset. (Which is NOT a desirable mindset.)

that's the " friendzone" mindset


women are not machines that if you pump enough nice quarters into them, sex drops out

 

[badbabysitter]

True...and I think in a lot of places this is far more apparent.

(context of the following statement is one of a general overview, I know there are always exceptions.)

But have you been to Seattle lately? It's a pretty progressive town...and I think this is one area where due to the negative views of gender roles in general the men have progressed beyond the women as far as courtship goes. Bleeding down from political/economic views it's only natural that it would have an effect on this aspect as well. I just don't think most women really saw this aspect coming nor did they plan on how they would deal with it and this is just part of the social growing pains in moving towards gender equality in the social arena.

That isn't to say some women haven't adapted famously....many depending on where you look. But there are some HORRIBLE places too...like the south where a LOT of women still expect the full 1800's treatment of an aristocratic southern belle, and there is a lot of butthurt going on in hickville over not getting it.

men and women are still adapting to the mindset

I just want the gender role bullshit to stop once and for all

i'm tired of hearing" friendzoned", I'm tired of hearing " men are jerks", i'm tired of " men dont cry" and " she's crazy because she's angry" and all the other tonnes of bullshit we're indoctrinated with

and dude, I'm in Vancouver.. it's Seattle with better weather and better pot

 

[BotanyBoy]

men and women are still adapting to the mindset

I just want the gender role bullshit to stop once and for all

i'm tired of hearing" friendzoned", I'm tired of hearing " men are jerks", i'm tired of " men dont cry" and " she's crazy because she's angry" and all the other tonnes of bullshit we're indoctrinated with

I agree...I'm just recognizing the growing pains as a society that are coming with it, takes time and tbh neither you or I will probabbly see it actually settle down in our life time. The children of the 20-30 somethings being born right now? maybe...

and dude, I'm in Vancouver.. it's Seattle with better weather and better pot

*Pretentious pot snob activated*

That madam is a matter of opinion, one I must disagree with.

 

[lovecraft68]

LJ you are as bad as all those woman hating asshats that still live with their mom's over in the Loving wives story section.

We get it. Your mom demeaned you, your wife wears the pants and has you pussy whipped.

So you come here and spew your bile about women.

Your rape thread yesterday was nothing short of appalling.

Fact is you would love to rape and mistreat a woman wouldn't you? Its all over your posts, you hate women.

If nothing else your "tough guy" sig shows you're a pussy whipped idiot trying to look tough.

I wish one of those "feminists" you hate so much would meet you in that alley, rape you with a strap on and send you away mumbling yes ma'am like you spend all your life doing anyway.

Cuckold.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

that's the " friendzone" mindset


women are not machines that if you pump enough nice quarters into them, sex drops out

You will not see me ever disagreeing with you on this. I would say that most guys don't treat women like that, and that situation is kind of overblown.

But at the core of all of this is that if the guy does not put his metaphorical quarters into the game, he gets nothing. He's not entitled to get anything if he does put his quarters in, but if he does not, he is certain to be alone.

You can't deny that it's hard to interpret this any other way than women don't put any efforts into courtship. This woman's article cements that.

You cannot ask for stability in a system where one side puts out all the effort and the hounds of hell fall upon them for expecting results. Eventually they take their quarters and go elsewhere. It's basic human nature. This may have happened in Seattle, if this article writer's story is correct.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

(trollish nonsense written by a weak, spineless, dickless scaredy cat, deleted)

She would die quite a painful death.

People like you are just the kind of folks who wind up in the morgue when you approach me, thinking I'm any sort of wimp, cuckold or anything.

But then you and I both know you don't swallow that delusion you're selling. You're just trying to troll, because you are too weak and dumb to contribute anything else.

You know that if you get violent with me, or a man like me, you'd better be armed, and you better draw faster and aim better. Or else you're going in a pine box.

 

[lovecraft68]

She would die quite a painful death.

People like you are just the kind of folks who wind up in the morgue when you approach me, thinking I'm any sort of wimp, cuckold or anything.

But then you and I both know you don't swallow that delusion you're selling. You're just trying to troll, because you are too weak and dumb to contribute anything else.

You know that if you get violent with me, or a man like me, you'd better be armed, and you better draw faster and aim better. Or else you're going in a pine box.

I'm a troll pfffft

And of course you would kill a woman.

I'm sorry you're whipped LJ and sorry you're now old and dried up and have to resort to internet bravado. Its a shame to get old.

I hate to tell you, but I've been taking/teaching martial arts for a long time and have met many women who could land you in the morgue you obviously wish all women would get sent too.

Both my daughters are trained in Shaolin Kempo

I raised them to deal with men just like you.

As for me? talk is cheap and I have no desire to trade "I'll beat you up" talk over the net. Even in person someone has to go a long way these days to get me to resort to violence. I learned the hard way years ago it is not worth it.

So like I said, I would just let one of my girls handle you

 

[ChinaBandit]

Shaolin Kempo would not be my preference for martial arts.

It's a bastardization of the proper training, just saying.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

men and women are still adapting to the mindset

I just want the gender role bullshit to stop once and for all

i'm tired of hearing" friendzoned", I'm tired of hearing " men are jerks", i'm tired of " men dont cry" and " she's crazy because she's angry" and all the other tonnes of bullshit we're indoctrinated with

and dude, I'm in Vancouver.. it's Seattle with better weather and better pot

The friendzone is real. It is simple shorthand for "unrequited love", or "let's just be friends", the former being a little hard to spell when you're drunk or heart broken.

The other thing?

I know you, BBS. You're not shocked by this. You've seen plenty of women like her before. So level with me: women get friendzoned, too, and they don't like it.

One of the things we men's rights activists have stood behind a lot, is that the friendzone happens to both genders. I for one have been a long time proponent of "women suffer from this shit, too. let's show everyone in the friendzone some compasson." (I added 'and hugs, too' in my message tonight, LOL.)

Also please read this, from a woman:
http://modernpatriarch.tumblr.com/post/52388979404/the-friendzone-honesty-is-the-best-policy

But most importantly, you want to know what the friendzone is, from an explicit point of view? Here's a view of the friendzone from the inside.

Let's say you meet someone that you can drive down the PCH while listening to an iPad loaded with 6 hours of the strange collection of new age, jungle, electronica and industrial rock tracks that only the two of you could ever love. All so you can go whale watching in Monterrey. Then you sleep in the same bed in the hotel together or snuggle up for warmth in a camp in Yosemite. You spend all night playing pen and paper role playing games exploring worlds and your family and acquaintances would call you crazy if they knew about it. You challenge each other's minds with puzzle games and chess, too. You go from watching all of the Fast and Furious sequels to This is Forty because you couldn't wait to see the sequel to "Knocked Up" which the two of you couldn't stop discussing the odds of Ben's transformation into a responsible adult and how the sequel might be confirmation that he succeeded. When that person gets sick from food poisoning and pukes on your shirt, you clean 'em up and get 'em to the ER without even grossing out (at least until after they're stabilized). When their cat dies you use all your years of friendship together to figure out how to console them and how to find a new, perfect cat as a pet. What's the overall point of all this? Nobody else in the world could ever share this many special things with you, much less string it all together into such a seamlessly harmonic orchestra of compatible togetherness like the two of you do with such ease every day.

Then the cold hand of meta-death touches you: your hormones catch up with you and you catch feelings, and the other person busts out with "But I love you like a sister. I couldn't ruin that with a relationship."

That's the fucking friendzone right there. Your soul mate is right there in front of you, but the friendzone takes them a billion miles away. Unless you're a cold hearted person, you can't just say, "Okay, you know what, I can deal with that, we can be friends, I'll just find a less compatible person for a mate." Nut uh. Emotions don't work like that. Just as women aren't machines that you put coins into to get laid, human beings are not machines that just turn off their emotions. Even though I work hard to hammer it into friendzone'd guys to move on, it just doesn't work that way.

And even if you can, there are consequences to doing so.

Upon meeting someone like that, you are not ever likely to find someone as compatible with you on such a CELLULAR level. Who the fuck is going to care about your role playing worlds or how you just KNEW there'd be a sequel to Knocked Up? And your music... oh you know people are going to think you're nuts for that. And that's just the tip. There's no way you could hope to get so many music instruments going in such a powerful harmonic symphony like that again. The cake is in the Friendzone, melting in the rain, and you'll never get that recipe again, oh no. Whoever you get with is going to constitute but a pale imitation of this relationship you could have had.

That is the friendzone. It is not the simplistic feminist "I'm entitled to sex, dammit!!!" propaganda of hate. It is an "I lost my soulmate" kind of angst that can strike both men and women.

But wait, the friendzone doesn't exist, right? You keep telling yourself that, and so you go do the right thing. You move on, and you find someone else to settle with. Problem is, they never penetrate to those lower levels of your heart which you filled in with concrete to block out the pain. Most likely they never even try, because your relationship is not as deep: none can ever be, because you didn't spend 10 years co-conducting the orchestra that is your new relationship. There simply aren't enough unseen wonders of the world for the two of you, now deeply mired in bills and perhaps even kids, to explore together. And really, would you want to go whale watching when all that is, is reliving your could-have-been relationship with someone else?

You don't even realize, after a while of self-deception, that you're missing something. That is, until that soulmate who said "I love you like a sister", comes back into your life, wanting you as a mate.

Uh oh.

Y'all fall right back into completing each other's sentences and suddenly you find ways to work it so you can go to the observatory which both of you realized you wanted to visit years ago and oh shit it's on. Before you know it you're cheating on your spouse, which you knew for absolute certain you would never ever do, and the shit really hits the fan.


The details of the friendship orchestra vary from couple to couple, but as a man in his 40s, I can tell you, I have seen exactly this situation happen, numerous times.

Now don't take this as saying "if you're that deep as friends, you should get together and fuck". I'm just saying that a true Friendzone is like what I said. It is not about "I'm infatuated, she's not, she owes me sex!!!"

Rant off.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Jesus titty fucking christ....mother fuckers who whine about the friend zone are fucking sad bitches...that's all the fuck there is to that.

If you're not getting it move the fuck on, problem fuckin solved.

 

[lovecraft68]

Shaolin Kempo would not be my preference for martial arts.

It's a bastardization of the proper training, just saying.

I agree to a point.

It depends who is teaching it because I am well aware of the cookie cutter variety by Mister I believe it is Villare or something like that.

My daughters took it from a regular dojo for a few years then I got them a private instructor when I saw they were serious about continuing.

 

[ChinaBandit]

I agree to a point.

It depends who is teaching it because I am well aware of the cookie cutter variety by Mister I believe it is Villare or something like that.

My daughters took it from a regular dojo for a few years then I got them a private instructor when I saw they were serious about continuing.

I commend you. The confidence your children gained, regardless of form, is invaluable.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm a troll pfffft

And of course you would kill a woman.

I'm sorry you're whipped LJ

By whom? See, that's your problem. I've never been emotionally whipped, and rarely whipped physically. Plus, if you think I'd only kill a woman who tried to harm me, you're also sorely mistaken: guys make even more entertaining targets. Plus if you got violent with me you'd be taken down at RANGE... unless you're Neo. Your third mistake was assuming that I seek to hunt down or hurt anyone who hasn't attacked me with violence or racial slurs first. You don't get violence out of me unless you do one of those two things. So you have made three very big mistakes right there with me. But I am not mistaken about you.

You have no mastery of martial arts, and you don't know anyone who does. You are issuing threats and grandstanding, which is typical of a woman who feels unnecessarily threatened and who needs to puff up. Plus you are using a number of cheap feminist shaming tactics that women typically use to try and terrorize men: wimp shaming, loneliness shaming, and defeat shaming. It's right out of the angry feminist playbook: you accuse a man of being weak, of getting his ass kicked by your imaginary heroes, and you accuse him of being unable to get laid.

Suffice it to say that not only are you completely off-base, but you are two-dimensional, transparent and predictable. I have read every childish, crayon-colored page of your playbook long before you put it to use here.

I raised them to deal with men just like you.

How hilarious. My girl scout daughter could probably knock you on your ass, casually. My wife and I are capable of taking you down AT RANGE. Unless you're Neo, of course.

As for me? talk is cheap and I have no desire to trade "I'll beat you up" talk over the net.

This, coming from a woman who just spouted fantasies about knowing martial arts and training her daughters to kill a man they don't like.

You're nothing, lovecraft68. Nothing but a weak, grandstanding troll who feels threatened but who tries to act like you're not threatened. You don't know martial arts but what you do know is how to cower in fear of men while fantasizing about killing them.

You are an open book, and not a very complex one.

You're welcome.

 

[bronzeage]

I want to meet the woman who did this to Lt.

She must be magnificent.

 

[richard_daily]

I want to meet the woman who did this to Lt.

She must be magnificent.

You think it was just one? I think it's a lifetime of rejection and women laughing at him.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

You think it was just one? I think it's a lifetime of rejection and women laughing at him.

That's funny coming from a guy that castrated himself in the name of radical misandrist feminism. From what I heard, though, you didn't have much to lose.

 

[renard_ruse]

That's not what men's rights is about. Its about legal equality, like custody rights and divorce settlements for example. You turn it into a joke when you complain about normal heterosexual biology and courtship rituals.

 

[richard_daily]

That's funny coming from a guy that castrated himself in the name of radical misandrist feminism. From what I heard, though, you didn't have much to lose.

I find it flattering that you sit around talking about my cock, but sorry LT, I'm not interested. Unlike you, I like women.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

That's not what men's rights is about. Its about legal equality, like custody rights and divorce settlements for example. You turn it into a joke when you complain about normal heterosexual biology and courtship rituals.

Men's rights activism is about fighting inflexible gender roles, too. This being a valid example.

You'll find a lot of MRAs already heard about this Seattle Times thing and have weighed in on it.