Barack Obama is lying about not being friends with Bill Ayers...

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

At least Grandpa's finally sparring with someone; the Republicans again...





lol

 

[Ishmael]

At least Grandpa's finally sparring with someone; the Republicans again...





lol

What else is new?

Obama gets a pass until 2011, that when the expiration of the Bush tax reductions hit your local 1040. As far as raising taxes go, it'll be interesting to see how that plays out in a recovery.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

What else is new?

Obama gets a pass until 2011, that when the expiration of the Bush tax reductions hit your local 1040. As far as raising taxes go, it'll be interesting to see how that plays out in a recovery.

Ishmael

The main thing there would be to listen to the Grandmother Jones and what her majesty's spending priorities are, my guess is on homes for the middle-class, but the trick is going to be in the delivery mechanism and who is forced to assume the risk. What the hell, why should I worry, Barack will own the Banks now, money for the middle-class will no longer be a problem. A guaranteed loan program won't require any new taxation...

I do know the Democrats got a taste for writing checks under Bush, their appetite is whetted, and they have a financial crises fully in hand. I see money and earned tax credits for everybody as well as a budget that is cheerfuly projected to be in balance in ten years, no seven. Did I say seven? in Five Years, under our plan, the budget will be balanced!

 

[Ishmael]

The main thing there would be to listen to the Grandmother Jones and what her majesty's spending priorities are, my guess is on homes for the middle-class, but the trick is going to be in the delivery mechanism and who is forced to assume the risk. What the hell, why should I worry, Barack will own the Banks now, money for the middle-class will no longer be a problem. A guaranteed loan program won't require any new taxation...

I do know the Democrats got a taste for writing checks under Bush, their appetite is whetted, and they have a financial crises fully in hand. I see money and earned tax credits for everybody as well as a budget that is cheerfuly projected to be in balance in ten years, no seven. Did I say seven? in Five Years, under our plan, the budget will be balanced!

To your first part, he can't do it without wholesale changes in the banking laws by congress. In reality they'd have to relax many regulations currently in place. Further, the middle class doesn't have a mortgage crunch going on unless they were speculating or purchased way over their head at the peak of the boom.

The second part is where it starts getting scarry. They can do it if the Fed goes along with really cranking up the presses. Hold the tax thresholds constant and make sure that everyone is making a whole bunch of money. Oh, the money may be worthless, but you'll be making more than your alotted share and the government is going to have to take care of that. That is the allure of inflation from a spending standpoint, you get to pay off the debt with monopoly money.

Ishmael

 

[Sharon_]

How long do you think he'll be in office before the repubs have the congress back?

Ishmael

Less than a day. It's a 'throw the bums out' mood this year, so a hefty portion of dems who are up will be out. Elephants, too, but since they're in the minority...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

That's what I'm saying. With majorities, they and Obama will join with Italy and rewrite world banking laws based on, I assume, UN ideals of fairness...






Like the Constitution, we're now a borderless society to our Liberal Congress, I think they've even halted all work on our border walls, ran out of money being sued and harrassed by guess who?


Their biggest contributors...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Less than a day. It's a 'throw the bums out' mood this year, so a hefty portion of dems who are up will be out. Elephants, too, but since they're in the minority...

Everyone assumes it's someone elses bum.




Jo-Jo ain't going anywhere but back to her Imperial Congressional Post, she has breeding don't you know. These crackers can tell you WHICH Englishman planted their blue-blood asses on former French soil...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Great Lover, I led off with it...

page 1 or 2...




I used to listen to Jack on KMBZ before Rush came on. Smart guy, got me to read Peter Duesberg's book. He had this lib co-host, Mary, and one day, she just melted down, and that was pretty much the end of the show and they replaced it with a Libertarian from Nebraska, or Iowa...,

 

[great lover]

Great Lover, I led off with it...

page 1 or 2...




I used to listen to Jack on KMBZ before Rush came on. Smart guy, got me to read Peter Duesberg's book. He had this lib co-host, Mary, and one day, she just melted down, and that was pretty much the end of the show and they replaced it with a Libertarian from Nebraska, or Iowa...,

Wonder how I missed this thread.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Wonder how I missed this thread.

I say so much stupid shit that I'm easy to pass over...

 

[cjh]

Throb, this one's for you...

since when is gwendolyn brooks not a poet?

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

since when is gwendolyn brooks not a poet?

You lost me. I'm slow...






Someone else looked at Jack's results and pointed out the only two years Ayers didn't publish a book were the years Obama published his, but I don't have a link, I'll attempt that in the AM or just admit it's stupid shit.






Oh wait. She must be some sort of an i m cumming!

 

[cjh]

aye. quotes within quotes.

One more item of interest. In his 1997 book, A Kind and Just Parent, Bill Ayers walks the reader through his Hyde Park neighborhood and identifies the notable residents therein. Among them are Muhammad Ali, “Minister” Louis Farrakhan (of whom he writes fondly), “former mayor” Eugene Sawyer, “poets” Gwendolyn Brooks and Elizabeth Alexander, and “writer” Barack Obama.

i'm trying to decipher the meaning of including the titles in quotes. is he saying the people are members of those professions, or is he saying they are wrongly attributed with membership in those professions?

it's not very clearly written.

this guy prides himself on literary criticism?

 

[Ishmael]

Barry's starting to get VERY defensive concerning Timothy McAyers. Seems to be getting some traction out there.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

aye. quotes within quotes.



i'm trying to decipher the meaning of including the titles in quotes. is he saying the people are members of those professions, or is he saying they are wrongly attributed with membership in those professions?

it's not very clearly written.

this guy prides himself on literary criticism?

Read the article. He was humble enough to submit his work to the same tests.

He scored low. I would be higher, I parrot Grasse...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Barry's starting to get VERY defensive concerning Timothy McAyers. Seems to be getting some traction out there.

Ishmael

Everybody understands which team loves a good bombing if it's for a desperate cause...

 

[Lancecastor]

Okay, so supposing we accept that Ayers is a pal/mentor/sponsor of Obama's and that Obama looks up to the guy for being an activist like his mom...which is basically what I feel after reading through the various accounts.

Should it be surprising that a modern Democrat born in the 1960's would have '60's counterculture idols?

Doesn't that make him, along with his pot and cocaine use, a lot like the Yuppie core of the Democrat base?

Yes, it pisses me off how politicians all downplay and distance themselves from their friends and past in order to appeal to the great unwashed masses...and it surely makes Obama as big or a bigger hypocrite than McCain as a result.

But is this the smoking gun, the great character flaw that will tip the polls back to McCain in the voting booth?

Uh...I don't get the sense that it is.

 

[cjh]

Read the article. He was humble enough to submit his work to the same tests.

He scored low. I would be higher, I parrot Grasse...

bah. i'm just a spectator. i keep waiting to see what new weird shit is gonna happen between now and election day.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

bah. i'm just a spectator. i keep waiting to see what new weird shit is gonna happen between now and election day.

I'm here for the comedy...

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Okay, so supposing we accept that Ayers is a pal/mentor/sponsor of Obama's and that Obama looks up to the guy for being an activist like his mom...which is basically what I feel after reading through the various accounts.

Should it be surprising that a modern Democrat born in the 1960's would have '60's counterculture idols?

Doesn't that make him, along with his pot and cocaine use, a lot like the Yuppie core of the Democrat base?

Yes, it pisses me off how politicians all downplay and distance themselves from their friends and past in order to appeal to the great unwashed masses...and it surely makes Obama as big or a bigger hypocrite than McCain as a result.

But is this the smoking gun, the great character flaw that will tip the polls back to McCain in the voting booth?

Uh...I don't get the sense that it is.

It matters in one sense only, and why Obama has been so sensitive about the issues raised in this thread, historically, all other factors aside, once America discovers the candidate is a Liberal he is a dead man walking, politically.

This year, the Democrat Party is wagering it all on the idea that while the rest of our allies are getting more conservative; we're finally ready to take the Liberal plunge. Only, we're smarter than they were and are going to do it better.

 

[Ishmael]

Okay, so supposing we accept that Ayers is a pal/mentor/sponsor of Obama's and that Obama looks up to the guy for being an activist like his mom...which is basically what I feel after reading through the various accounts.

Should it be surprising that a modern Democrat born in the 1960's would have '60's counterculture idols?

Doesn't that make him, along with his pot and cocaine use, a lot like the Yuppie core of the Democrat base?

Yes, it pisses me off how politicians all downplay and distance themselves from their friends and past in order to appeal to the great unwashed masses...and it surely makes Obama as big or a bigger hypocrite than McCain as a result.

But is this the smoking gun, the great character flaw that will tip the polls back to McCain in the voting booth?

Uh...I don't get the sense that it is.

Ayers Weatherman activities are almost secondary to what he and Obama were up to in Chicago with the schools.

And Ayers is just a part of it. How many people has Obama thrown under his bus this year? It's GOT to be getting crowded under there. He's still trying to stuff Ayers under the bus, dispatched Jesse Jackson yesterday, The right Rev. Wright, that catholic priest that talks like a southern Baptist and behaves like Rasputin, and his grandmother. The guy just seems to have this never ending stream of people that he's having to disassociate from. Big red judgement flag there.

No highschool or college buddies. No former co-workers. Nothing. It's as if he suddenly appeared on the planet sometime in the 90's.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

Ayers Weatherman activities are almost secondary to what he and Obama were up to in Chicago with the schools.

And Ayers is just a part of it. How many people has Obama thrown under his bus this year? It's GOT to be getting crowded under there. He's still trying to stuff Ayers under the bus, dispatched Jesse Jackson yesterday, The right Rev. Wright, that catholic priest that talks like a southern Baptist and behaves like Rasputin, and his grandmother. The guy just seems to have this never ending stream of people that he's having to disassociate from. Big red judgement flag there.

No highschool or college buddies. No former co-workers. Nothing. It's as if he suddenly appeared on the planet sometime in the 90's.

Ishmael

I've seen that cold efficient ruthlessness in younger politicians up here...it strikes me as being more neo-con than old school neo-conism if you see the parallel.

All new pennies tarnish in time.

McCain could put a big Ross Perot chart up proving Obama's a weasel...but I doubt it would change anything.

McCain needs to stand in front of more WW2 planes, maybe take off his shirt and show his scars...something that underscores that what he has done for his country is real as opposed to packaged.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

You know Ayers can't be secretary of education, but he can nominate, lobby, and quietly take a lesser, but cush, job over at education...

 

[unregistered]

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

He'll pick them all up off the pavement, dust them off, and bring them all home after the election.

Exactly!