Back to school

[Joe Wordsworth]

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Originally posted by matriarch
Its simply a matter of giving credit to anyone who puts in the time, effort and dedication to obtain a Masters IN ANY SUBJECT. There is no need to go into a discussion on whether one is better, or more worthy than another. That is an offence to anyone studying for their masters.

I was simply responding to what someone else said about the matter. To which some have disagreed and stated why. To which I have hoped to explain myself further.

This is a crime, why?

Originally posted by matriarch
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND WHAT THEY DO!!!!!!!
WHY THE HELL SHOULD THEY.

Sheesh..................................

Jesus H. Christ, relax...

People defend what they do all the time... especially to those who either don't understand it or don't agree with it. I know I've defended my intent on studying Philosophy to parents and teachers and friends a lot over the years; I'm sure Art students have done similar things.

"HAVE to?"... maybe not... "Do?"... certainly.

 

[destinie21]

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Well, Da Vinci was an artist and a scientific genius (the two are not synonymous); the cathedrals were ornate and no doubt designed with beauty in mind, but were insanely complex engineering projects. None of that is to belittle art, but to recognize that Art doesn't need to gain importance by being painted as equally difficult as a lot of "hard science" work (or, Heaven forbid, mathematics).

It may be that a creative mind sought the stars, but that creative mind may have had absolutely no care for Art as a practice or a study... creativity and "art" are also not synonymous.

Personally, I like art. I have several friends who have completed their masters of fine arts, and I have been to their shows. Creative, interesting, appealing, emotive... they are skillful people. I've just never heard an artist defend what they do as being anywhere near what geneticists or physicists do.

But... then, it doesn't have to be.

Riddle me this tiger, why would I have to defend anything? I'm not saying art is the be all end all last hurrah. What I'm saying is exactly what I said not hidden meanings or veiled intent. A Degree in the arts is equal to that of any other degree in that it's a leaned skill (based on a natural talent I might add.) I'm not saying astrophysics sucks mokey butt or anything I'm just pointing out the validity of a degree.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

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Well, Da Vinci was an artist and a scientific genius (the two are not synonymous); the cathedrals were ornate and no doubt designed with beauty in mind, but were insanely complex engineering projects. None of that is to belittle art, but to recognize that Art doesn't need to gain importance by being painted as equally difficult as a lot of "hard science" work (or, Heaven forbid, mathematics).

It may be that a creative mind sought the stars, but that creative mind may have had absolutely no care for Art as a practice or a study... creativity and "art" are also not synonymous.

Personally, I like art. I have several friends who have completed their masters of fine arts, and I have been to their shows. Creative, interesting, appealing, emotive... they are skillful people. I've just never heard an artist defend what they do as being anywhere near what geneticists or physicists do.

But... then, it doesn't have to be.

I'm just saying from a very personal view point , Art for me, or the creative process is very excrutiating at times. It can be a very mental process, very passionate and very draining.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

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Originally posted by destinie21
Riddle me this tiger, why would I have to defend anything? I'm not saying art is the be all end all last hurrah. What I'm saying is exactly what I said not hidden meanings or veiled intent. A Degree in the arts is equal to that of any other degree in that it's a leaned skill (based on a natural talent I might add.) I'm not saying astrophysics sucks mokey butt or anything I'm just pointing out the validity of a degree.

Why would /you/ have to defend something?

I'm sure I have no idea... unless you were in a situation where you wanted to explain why you were doing what your'e doing to those who didn't agree or understand it--then, I suppose, you might be inclined to defend it. I don't really understand your point, here.

A degree in X may or may not be equal. In that they're both skills? I suppose, then, yes... they'd be equal, as the only predicate is "its a skill". But then, a degree in leisure management or scuba diving or volleyball would be, then, equal to one in Art. Same prerequisite. But if you look back, I wasn't saying that one is more valuable... I was commenting on how difficult it was to get one, comparitively. It is highly, highly, highly unlikely that EVERY degree on the planet is EQUALLY difficult to get.

Highly.

I was only saying that I believe that astrophysics is more rigorous than art, degree-wise. Maybe its just mine and other universities' opinion... but its not an unreasonable one, surely we can admit that? As Ab said, for her it can be difficult and involved to produce art (and I can see how that can be true, creativity doesn't strike me as something that just happens when you want it), but we're talking about how hard it is to get a degree in something over something else.

Surely, if I'm mistaken about astrophysics being more rigorous than Art, we can point out why?

 

[ABSTRUSE]

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Why would /you/ have to defend something?

I'm sure I have no idea... unless you were in a situation where you wanted to explain why you were doing what your'e doing to those who didn't agree or understand it--then, I suppose, you might be inclined to defend it. I don't really understand your point, here.

A degree in X may or may not be equal. In that they're both skills? I suppose, then, yes... they'd be equal, as the only predicate is "its a skill". But then, a degree in leisure management or scuba diving or volleyball would be, then, equal to one in Art. Same prerequisite. But if you look back, I wasn't saying that one is more valuable... I was commenting on how difficult it was to get one, comparitively. It is highly, highly, highly unlikely that EVERY degree on the planet is EQUALLY difficult to get.

Highly.

I was only saying that I believe that astrophysics is more rigorous than art, degree-wise. Maybe its just mine and other universities' opinion... but its not an unreasonable one, surely we can admit that? As Ab said, for her it can be difficult and involved to produce art (and I can see how that can be true, creativity doesn't strike me as something that just happens when you want it), but we're talking about how hard it is to get a degree in something over something else.

Surely, if I'm mistaken about astrophysics being more rigorous than Art, we can point out why?

Joe baby, I love you, you're like a dog with a bone, I'm going to find a way to stimulate the right side of your brain...LOL

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

: )

...what does the right side control?

 

[ABSTRUSE]

: )

...what does the right side control?

Your artistic side, the left is your logical side.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Hmmm... that explains the dry-mouth.

 

[Guest]

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I was only saying that I believe that astrophysics is more rigorous than art, ***degree-wise***.

Ah ha! That point's the rub, Joe. You should have made that clear from the start. If you did, I missed it. No arguement from me now (thank goodness cos I hate to argue).

Perdita

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Hmmm... that explains the dry-mouth.

LOL.

 

[Guest]

Congrats, Des!!!

Shame this thread turned "uncomfortable" for a while.

I, for one, greatly admire you, as is obvious many, many more do.

Lou

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by Tatelou
Congrats, Des!!!

Shame this thread turned "uncomfortable" for a while.

I, for one, greatly admire you, as is obvious many, many more do.

Lou

Oh, a definite congratulations. Very admirable... personally, I have no eye for art whatsoever, I don't think.

 

[Guest]

Oh, a definite congratulations. Very admirable... personally, I have no eye for art whatsoever, I don't think.

Shhh, don't tell anyone else, but neither do I. I just know what I think looks good/pretty/impressive/whatever.

The best artist in the world, in my eyes, is my youngest daughter.

Lou

 

[Lisa Denton]

Hey Destinie, you go and kick butt with the studies but not with the lil kiddies trying to act grown up. I know you can do it and when you need a break come here and relax with us and rest up your brain.
Forget anything you hear which is not total support and encouragement, which is what you need so much as you face a hard and worthy task. And lemme give you a big sloppy wet kiss for luck too.

 

[SensualCealy]

Way to go Destinie!

I went back to school after I got married, and what a chore that was, two kids and a husband to deal with when I got home!

It will be equally as tough for you, having the new baby ( which I adore!) trying to keep money cirulating in the right direction, and find time to study as well as time for the Mrs.

Anyone that goes to school when they have so many more responsibilities deserves a pat on the back (side! )

GO Gettem Tiger!
C

 

[Liar]

Hey Des, let's make a bet. You, me, Vella, Lucky... (anyone else in the "back to school" league here?) to see how many 18 yo's we can intimidate per week.

 

[oggbashan]

They wouldn't take me...

...when I wanted to do an MBA.

I'd retired from a management job and took another job at a lower salary. I thought it might be useful to have an MBA if I wanted to progress in my new career.

The University interviewed me because it was some years since I had undertaken any degree level studies. They turned me down because they said 'You will gain nothing from our MBA'.

My employer agreed and wouldn't support my application.

Both of them used me as a mentor to MBA and other students. The students had to work hard for their qualification and as far as I could see from other Masters candidates who came to me for advice on modules including statistics, human resource management and employment law all of them, no matter what discipline, had to be far more dedicated and disciplined than they had been on their first degree.

I still haven't got an MBA.

Og

PS. My father finished his first degree when he was 80. He decided not to continue for his Masters.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Hey Des, let's make a bet. You, me, Vella, Lucky... (anyone else in the "back to school" league here?) to see how many 18 yo's we can intimidate per week.

I would love to go back and finish my master's, but I'm still in on the intimidation thing.

 

[minsue]

Hey Des, let's make a bet. You, me, Vella, Lucky... (anyone else in the "back to school" league here?) to see how many 18 yo's we can intimidate per week.

I'm still uneducated, but I do love intimidating 18 year olds. ASU just started this week and traffic is murder so that's been my rush hour entertainment. It's so fun to piss them off. Keeps me from going insane about having to leave earlier for work every morning.

You've my admiration, Des. (and Liar & Vella & Lucky...)

 

[RebeccaLeah]

Hey Des, let's make a bet. You, me, Vella, Lucky... (anyone else in the "back to school" league here?) to see how many 18 yo's we can intimidate per week.

Ok, I have to speak for the 18 year olds....(I feel like the Lorax)

Please remember that some of them, if not at least half, if are away from their families for the first time ever, lonely, homesick, and scared out of their minds. There was a freshman in one of my classes today who's eyes were red and nose was puffy and when the TA asked for something interesting about each of us she said she was homesick.

Please don't put those 18 yr olds through hell, they're a bit fragile and it sucks, I still remember it way too well.

Now that I got that cleared up, if any of you want to come out here and torture the arogant ones with the brand new SUV's and Mustangs riding high on mommy and daddy's money, you have my every possible blessing, just let me know where and when so I can watch.

P.S. Congrats to all of you who are brave enough to go back, good luck!

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Ok, I have to speak for the 18 year olds....(I feel like the Lorax)

Please remember that some of them, if not at least half, if are away from their families for the first time ever, lonely, homesick, and scared out of their minds. There was a freshman in one of my classes today who's eyes were red and nose was puffy and when the TA asked for something interesting about each of us she said she was homesick.

Please don't put those 18 yr olds through hell, they're a bit fragile and it sucks, I still remember it way too well.

Now that I got that cleared up, if any of you want to come out here and torture the arogant ones with the brand new SUV's and Mustangs riding high on mommy and daddy's money, you have my every possible blessing, just let me know where and when so I can watch.

P.S. Congrats to all of you who are brave enough to go back, good luck!

The Lorax spoke for the trees, the swamy swans, humming fish & brown barbaloots. And no one listened.

18 year olds are no better or worse than the rest of us, age does not automatically confer maturity. But, and it's a big but, by and large 18 year olds are insufferable. There are a few who are homesick and good kids, but most are away from home and out from under the rents and showing their asses.

Still, I think you would make a might cute Lorax

-Colly

 

[matriarch]

Ok, I have to speak for the 18 year olds....(I feel like the Lorax)

Please remember that some of them, if not at least half, if are away from their families for the first time ever, lonely, homesick, and scared out of their minds. There was a freshman in one of my classes today who's eyes were red and nose was puffy and when the TA asked for something interesting about each of us she said she was homesick.

Please don't put those 18 yr olds through hell, they're a bit fragile and it sucks, I still remember it way too well.

Now that I got that cleared up, if any of you want to come out here and torture the arogant ones with the brand new SUV's and Mustangs riding high on mommy and daddy's money, you have my every possible blessing, just let me know where and when so I can watch.

P.S. Congrats to all of you who are brave enough to go back, good luck!

Well said, Becca, good point.

Speaking from the mom's side of this, I hated it when my two went off to University. The eldest hated being so far from home, came home every opportunity he could, and after 2 years, finally gave up, dropped out and returned home. He still lives here, with his wife, doing a job he loves, and enjoying life. To my eternal embarrassment, I remember standing on the front doorstep, watching him drive away with my husband, car loaded to the gunnels with his belongings, and a very pale, face weakly smiling back at me as I waved them goodbye. I cried buckets when I closed the door. My first baby was leaving home. I still fill up now when I remember it. It's a mom thing.

People often made comments about him wasting our money. I don't see it that way. He gave it his best for 2 years, and was very unhappy in the process. He finally had the courage to do what he wanted. He told us how he felt, and we were completely behind his decision. He has made his life good here, in the way that was best for him.

The youngest was completely different, fell into university life as if it was made for him. Now, 6 years on, loved the place where he studied so much, he stayed there, made it his home.

That said, I know they both had a hard time for the first few weeks, coming from a very small, rural area, being dropped into the big city, head first. I wish them all well, all the students starting a new year, and a new life.

Mat (over emotional mum)

 

[RebeccaLeah]

The Lorax spoke for the trees, the swamy swans, humming fish & brown barbaloots. And no one listened.

18 year olds are no better or worse than the rest of us, age does not automatically confer maturity. But, and it's a big but, by and large 18 year olds are insufferable. There are a few who are homesick and good kids, but most are away from home and out from under the rents and showing their asses.

Still, I think you would make a might cute Lorax

-Colly

Ouch, glad I didn't fall for you until I was at least 19.

Short, round, and furry? Can't imagine what could be cuter.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Ouch, glad I didn't fall for you until I was at least 19.

Short, round, and furry? Can't imagine what could be cuter.

LOL,

Your age was never a factor, you are in many ways wise beyond your years and certainly as mature as anyone could wish for.

I always thought the Lorax was rather cute, but I am a sucker for fuzzy things

And feathered, come to think of it

-Colly

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Why is that everyone is so impressed when they hear I'm going back to school to get my masters (until the find out it's in the arts?) Oh well who cares about that I am going back to school and I sincerly hope I don't kill any 18 year olds.

Speaking as one in the grad school program in the hard sciences (mad science...er...i mean bioengineering), I offer you congratulations for entering into a hard field that requires so very much raw talent.

<As I pause to let the incredulous masses cough and sputter...>

Seriously though, my best (female) friend is also pursuing a master's in arts, trying to refine her talent enoough to break into the comic book artist field. The way she can draw is amazing and she belittles it as often as I gape at it.

Anyway, congratulations and don't listen to idiots, it's only a waste when you get a master's in philosophy (just joking Joe, don't through a brick at me or anything).