Can 17 yr olds kiss?

Agree. This could get approved or could get rejected, or also very possible that it gets approved and 6 months later some prude reports it and Laurel takes it down with no warning and you're not gone get it back up. Just too much bull around the whole thing. Write the story that you feel that you should write. Don;t change a thing. Just publish it somewhere else where they are clearly okay with 17 year olds kissing/making out.
There's no other place, PSG. I wish there were. Well, for some types of stories, there is an alternative. But for many types of stories, there's Lit, and there's going commercial on Amazon, Smashwords, or such. There's no real other alternative.
 
I have a problem to fix. For narrative purposes I need a couple's first kiss to happen at 17, just before christmas senior year in high school. I've referenced romantic moments like that before and gotten away with it, but it's not just referenced here, it's written out. Very tame, but still a kiss under 18.

So, can I get away with that, or do I need to rewrite or write around it (like not stating their age explicitly)?

Any thougts?
The rule is ‘whatever Laurel feels like on the day / notices.’ I was concerned about having a young girl have her first period in a story. It’s an actual plot element abd - obviously - neither sexualized, nor even referred to save obliquely. But I messaged Laurel about it in advance, explaining the context. Her replying, “That should be fine,” was the last correspondence I have had with her.

I repeated the same info in the note when submitting and mentioned that she had OKed it.

Personally, I see no issue with a chaste kiss being shared between seventeen year olds. So long as you don’t get it to probing tongues or describing the protagonists’ arousal, it should be fine. But it’s also a bit of a lottery.
 
The yardstick should be about whether it's depicted as sexually exciting for the teens, or whether it's written to be sexually exciting for the reader.

The kiss doesn't have to be chaste, but its place in the story should be clearly not intended to titillate.

Will Laurel sometimes mis-interpret intentions and false-positive a rejection for teenie sex? Probably. Will she sometimes miss something downright racy involving fully-clothed and hands-behaving teens? Sure. But the yardstick still measures a yard.
 
I wrote a pair of 15 year olds sharing a first kiss, but i made it awkward and didn't dwell on it:

We'd even shared our first kiss together, at age fifteen. It was Bennie's idea. We'd just come home from seeing E.T. and she wanted to reenact the kiss Elliott had given the cute blonde girl in the movie, to see if she would swoon the same way. She didn't of course. And neither did I. It was awkward and clumsy and we both laughed hysterically afterwards, then went back to playing Nintendo.

The screener didn't have a problem with it, it went right through.

Seems kinda silly we have to dance around something so simple as a kiss but I get why.

My suggestion is write it, try to keep it simple, and if it does get rejected be prepared to rewrite.
 
Plenty of 18 year olds before Christmas senior year
Are there? I'm not familiar with the US system other than officially senior year is generally age year 17-18 - meaning you turn 18 in the year you graduate. Where I live it's very uncommon to have kids a year older than the general rule. Maybe one in the year, perhaps 2-3 in the whole school. And even so, not in every school.
 
I have a story with a flashback to teenaged kissing and groping.

Molly's mouth on mine, her hands on my bum and my back, her breasts pressed between us. Her tongue tasted of cheap cider and weed. The boys cheering and catcalling as they took photos on their phones were forgotten as the wave of excitement had swept through me. It had been so much better that I'd thought it would be. So much, much better.

The jeers and sneers on Monday at school came from the same boys who'd cheered us on the Saturday before. The girls giggled and pointed. "Lezza". "Rug muncher". "Dyke". I'd wanted the earth to swallow me up.

It's obviously been published okay.
 
Are there? I'm not familiar with the US system other than officially senior year is generally age year 17-18 - meaning you turn 18 in the year you graduate. Where I live it's very uncommon to have kids a year older than the general rule. Maybe one in the year, perhaps 2-3 in the whole school. And even so, not in every school.
It depends on the community what year you are if your birthday is near the end of the calendar year.

EDIT: Students generally turn 18 sometime during the school year (or maybe the summer after). So ,maybe a quarter are 18 before Christmas
 
Are there? I'm not familiar with the US system other than officially senior year is generally age year 17-18 - meaning you turn 18 in the year you graduate. Where I live it's very uncommon to have kids a year older than the general rule. Maybe one in the year, perhaps 2-3 in the whole school. And even so, not in every school.
Assuming an even distribution of birthdays, and age in September as a cut off*. In June three quarters of graduating seniors would be 18. In August eleven twelfths would be.

* School districts vary as to cut offs
 
It's kinda funny how strict the age/grade thing seems to be in the US.
Our school system is obviously different, but when I started high school, the youngest person in my class was 15, oldest was 18, neither was considered the least bit weird.
 
It's kinda funny how strict the age/grade thing seems to be in the US.
Our school system is obviously different, but when I started high school, the youngest person in my class was 15, oldest was 18, neither was considered the least bit weird.
This is not specific to the US. Many European countries follow the Prussian model of schooling, where grades are stratified by age.

In fact, I can’t think of a country where that is not the case.
 
This is not specific to the US. Many European countries follow the Prussian model of schooling, where grades are stratified by age.

In fact, I can’t think of a country where that is not the case.
Well yeah, the weird part from my perspective is that this continues to be the case through high school. And also that seemingly almost no one is held back or skips or for various extraneous reasons is a year behind or ahead.

We (Denmark) have 0th (age 6) through 9th grade mandatory. This is simply referred to as "School" here. Then you can choose (and many do) to take 10th grade. You can go work or travel or whatever for a year, maybe 3 - some do, some continue directly. Then you would usually go to one of the various types of high school - some are more focused on trade skills, some are more condensed and as such faster.
 
Are there? I'm not familiar with the US system other than officially senior year is generally age year 17-18 - meaning you turn 18 in the year you graduate. Where I live it's very uncommon to have kids a year older than the general rule. Maybe one in the year, perhaps 2-3 in the whole school. And even so, not in every school.
My son turned 18 two weeks before Christmas and he was far from the oldest in his class. Certainly there were many still 17, but I would estimate 35-40% of the class was 18.

I do think it's a trend to "hold kids back" to start school, in this generation, for a variety of reasons that can be a bit controversial.
 
Laurel takes it down with no warning and you're not gone get it back up.
Reports result in an automated system-generated removal of the story. There is no intervention by Laurel.

I've been there.

Where there is intervention by Laurel is in the appeal of the removal and her reinstating of the story. It's her interpretation of the rules that matter; when she originally approved it for publication here, and if reported by another reader.

I've also been there.
 
Over here it follows the year you're born. You start primary school the year you turn 6 and you finish the year you turn 16. There are very few exceptions. I taught 13-16 yr olds for 10 years. In that time, not one kid turned 16 before Christmas in grade 10.
I guess I shouldn't have assumed it was the same everywhere 😊
 
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I would make it past tense, a memory just to ensure they know no sex was involved under 18. I wouldn't think that would be a problem. No hands where they shouldn't be, no erections, no wet, etc. Nothing more than the exuberance of a first kiss, that giddy emotion.
 
From an award winning story that has been published here for over a decade involving underage characters:
"Over a decade [ago]" is less persuasive than what's being published now. Lit rules do change over time and there are plenty of "grandfathered" stories around that probably wouldn't be accepted today without some changes.

I would expect a reasonably chaste kiss between 17-year-olds could still get through today, but I always encourage authors to look at recent works if they want to gauge what's allowed.
 
In fact, I can’t think of a country where that is not the case.
Here in Oz we have many schools that blur ages in a cohort, to cater for the younger gifted kids. There's often a handful of kids who are "a year young for that Year," matched more by ability than chronology.
 
Here in Oz we have many schools that blur ages in a cohort, to cater for the younger gifted kids. There's often a handful of kids who are "a year young for that Year," matched more by ability than chronology.
That’s sometimes a thing here, too, but usually no more than one or two kids per class of 10-20 who are a year younger. @Z_TheWriter sort of implied that it’s normal for cohorts to mix students in such a way that they are almost evenly split between ages of -2, -1, 0, +1, +2 compared to the supposed baseline, which would basically obviate the whole concept of an age-based grade.

Not that it’s a good concept, mind you; mixed-age education has a ton of benefits.
 
Consider, if you will, the one-room schoolhouse of the 1900s. A ninth-grade education in those days was better than 12 12-year graduate today. With that, I rest your case for you.
That’s sometimes a thing here, too, but usually no more than one or two kids per class of 10-20 who are a year younger. @Z_TheWriter sort of implied that it’s normal for cohorts to mix students in such a way that they are almost evenly split between ages of -2, -1, 0, +1, +2 compared to the supposed baseline, which would basically obviate the whole concept of an age-based grade.

Not that it’s a good concept, mind you; mixed-age education has a ton of benefits.
 
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