Can 17 yr olds kiss?

[iwatchus]

Consider, if you will, the one-room schoolhouse of the 1900s. A ninth-grade education in those days was better than 12 12-year graduate today. With that, I rest your case for you.

I think I pretty strongly disagree with you on this one.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Actually, the quality of education was much higher then than now. But you can check it out for yourself by doing a search. They learned much more about what they needed to know in that world and it was deeper than what we have now. As in not as wide, but much more in depth.

I think I pretty strongly disagree with you on this one.

 

[iwatchus]

I'm old enough that I had come friends who went through one room school house education, at least in elementary school. They would strongly disagree with you.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

It's kinda funny how strict the age/grade thing seems to be in the US.
Our school system is obviously different, but when I started high school, the youngest person in my class was 15, oldest was 18, neither was considered the least bit weird.

It depends on the grade range of the high school.

I went to a HS where we had 10th, 11th and 12th grades. (7-9 was Jr High).
The other High School in my town was 9-12, and it's feeder Jr High was only 7th and 8th.
No clue why they did that.
So it was normal to be in school, or even a particular class with kids who were 15-18.
I was actually 14 when I started 10th grade and had a class with 18 year old seniors.
Had my parents lived in a different neighborhood and I gone to the other HS I might have been 13 and in a class with an 18 year old.


Now when you refer to "graduating class" then MOST will be in a 12 month range. Obviously there are always exceptions. But that's "normal".

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Here in Oz we have many schools that blur ages in a cohort, to cater for the younger gifted kids. There's often a handful of kids who are "a year young for that Year," matched more by ability than chronology.

We generally use gifted programs to accomplish that in the US. The higher performers will be grouped in various classes.

 

[Bamagan]

Over here it follows the year you're born. You start primary school the year you turn 6 and you finish the year you turn 16. There are very few exceptions. I taught 13-16 yr olds for 10 years. In that time, not one kid turned 16 before Christmas in grade 10.
I guess I shouldn't have assumed it was the same everywhere

In the school district I spent most of my time, the age cut-off was August 1. If your birthday was that day or after, you began classes that year. So August kids were always the oldest of their school cohort, with a few being already 18 when classes started, and July kids the youngest. Birthdays aren't evenly distributed, of course, but each week would, on average, see slightly less than 2% of the cohort becoming 18. By the time winter holidays arrived, most schools would have close to half of their seniors be 'of age' for Literotica purposes.

Some districts I know used September 1 as their cutoff, and there are probably other dates as well. But at least for the high schools in my area (the southern part of the country), by the time seniors were graduating in May (assuming they didn't get held back at some point) one would expect them to be somewhere in the vicinity of 80% to 90% 'legal'. Of course, legality in this context doesn't have anything to do with age of consent, which is less than 18 in many places.

 

[iwatchus]

I think it comes to lots of factors in your school system. Back in my day (distressingly close to half way between now and Millie's idealized 1900), there were very few classes that had much cross year enrollments. I think English, Social Studies, and PE were all aligned to year. Math and science classes were heavily sequenced, which minimized cross year enrollments. My art class and music classes were the only ones that notably crossed years.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I think it comes to lots of factors in your school system. Back in my day (distressingly close to half way between now and Millie's idealized 1900), there were very few classes that had much cross year enrollments. I think English, Social Studies, and PE were all aligned to year. Math and science classes were heavily sequenced, which minimized cross year enrollments. My art class and music classes were the only ones that notably crossed years.

For us English was tied to grade but everything else was flexible.
Math required some sequence, but it depends on where you planned to "peak".
People who were only planning to take the minimum required might be taking geometry as a Senior next to a Sophomore who wanted to be taking Trig or Calculus as a Senior.
For Science you needed two science credit and most people took Biology and Chemistry. Sequence didn't matter for those.

 

[ElectricBlue]

We generally use gifted programs to accomplish that in the US. The higher performers will be grouped in various classes.

That's what I'm talking about - it nearly always means a bunch of gifted kids younger than their cohort, usually a year younger.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

That's what I'm talking about - it nearly always means a bunch of gifted kids younger than their cohort, usually a year younger.

That's not how we do it, they'll stay with their cohort, they will just be taking different classes in the ones that track via grade level.
So you will have English with the gifted kids, but your PE class or Art class will be with everyone.

 

[TheWorldBuilder]

That was available when I moved from Junior to Senior at 11, but within three years it had been brushed aside by the comprehensive system's ideological attempt to turn out BS Kitemarked standard children fit for the socialist utopia of the 1970s.

 

[Z_TheWriter]

@Z_TheWriter sort of implied that it’s normal for cohorts to mix students in such a way that they are almost evenly split between ages of -2, -1, 0, +1, +2 compared to the supposed baseline

Just for the record, I explained that it's pretty normal for students in high school in Denmark to have ages which vary a few years in the same class, because some people come directly from 9th grade, and others don't. I did not say anything about ratios, because I don't actually have any stats for that.

 

[iwatchus]

That's not how we do it, they'll stay with their cohort, they will just be taking different classes in the ones that track via grade level.
So you will have English with the gifted kids, but your PE class or Art class will be with everyone.

It also varies a lot from place to place, how big the school is (big school will have more gifted children in a single cohort) and how far off the standard you are. My son took calc in 9th grade , and had started taking college math classes in 8th grade. But he is also spectrum, so he had maturity issues at the same time, which was interesting.

 

[NuclearFairy]

In the school my eldest two went to kindergarten in it was quite common for half the kindergarten class to be six at the start of the year. This was so for a variety of reasons, the main one being that you didn't legally have to send your kid to kindergarten until they were six. Add to that the school informing the parents when they went to register that if the kid didn't attend preschool then they'd be behind and offering to register them for next years preschool instead, and then there were a whole host of stay at home moms that wanted to delay sending their kids off to school. I swear every time we went to sign one of ours out for a doctors appointment there'd be at least three different moms who'd signed their kids out early because they missed them. D= We miss ours too but school is important and you're going to get them held back like this.

 

[Britva415]

Consider, if you will, the one-room schoolhouse of the 1900s. A ninth-grade education in those days was better than 12 12-year graduate today.

In what way? They didn't even learn about atoms, evolution or Dr. King.

 

[Voboy]

I'm old enough that I had come friends who went through one room school house education, at least in elementary school. They would strongly disagree with you.

We still have one-room schoolhouses in the US in many rural communities, or nearly so. I've got a friend who has taught in one for many years. She handles the K-6 kids in one room, a colleague deals with the older ones in the room on the other side of the bathroom. It's not a good educational model, she says.

They're the only two teachers. One of them also has to act as principal, legally. I'll have to ask her whether the 12th-graders ever try to kiss the 7th graders next door.

There are a massive number of reasons why the US educational system has issues these days. I think former models probably resulted in students memorizing more, but I doubt it made them better critical thinkers. I do lament the lack of emphasis on spelling, though.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

"Over a decade [ago]" is less persuasive than what's being published now. Lit rules do change over time and there are plenty of "grandfathered" stories around that probably wouldn't be accepted today without some changes.

I would expect a reasonably chaste kiss between 17-year-olds could still get through today, but I always encourage authors to look at recent works if they want to gauge what's allowed.

I understand the point that you are trying to make, but the one example I provided dealt specifically with underage characters kissing.

There are other, more recent examples where underage characters kiss, both in my stories and in others. I haven't witnessed any significant deviation in the underage rule over the time that I have been publishing here, and based upon the number of stories where underage characters play a role, many others haven't either. What I have consistently seen is people attempting to skirt the rules and getting caught.

I have a story that was published in February of this year that goes even further with the underage rule by having a 14-year-old girl falsely claiming that a man she suspected as being her mother's lover "played with himself" in front of her (the word "masturbate" was rejected).

As I always say, "context counts more than content".

 

[lovecraft68]

Welcome to literotica where women can be raped, abused, people can be 'mind controlled' thereby giving no consent and people can be tortured for titillation in BTB stories

But two 17 year olds can't kiss,

Or can they?

Of course they can, and can do a lot more. You just need to know how to write it.

Every rule here is a wink and a smirk.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I'm old enough that I had come friends who went through one room school house education, at least in elementary school. They would strongly disagree with you.

You missed the key point of my statement 'in the 19th century.'

 

[StillStunned]

You missed the key point of my statement 'in the 19th century.'

Actually, you said "in the 1900s". That's probably what caused the confusion.

 

[MillieDynamite]

They were better equipped for their world than high school graduates are for this world.

In what way? They didn't even learn about atoms, evolution or Dr. King.

 

[MillieDynamite]

My Bad!

Actually, you said "in the 1900s". That's probably what caused the confusion.

 

[Voboy]

Actually, you said "in the 1900s". That's probably what caused the confusion.

I read it the same way you did.

Meanwhile, comparing education today to 19th century education, in most places, is laughable. VERY few people received any formal education at all during the 19th century. By contrast, at least in the USA, everyone is entitled to a formal education now.

Sometimes, that's detrimental to the way schools and classrooms are run.

 

[MrHereWriting]

Can 17 yr olds kiss?​

It's a proven fact that 17-year-olds can't kiss.

The height difference between men and women, combined with the non-aligning jaws of people under the age of 18, throws off the lip connection which causes teeth grinding and extreme tongue slippage, ending with tongues in the nostrils.

People of the same height, when under the age of 18, come together too fast, due to their inability to understand inertia, that they crack their teeth when meeting face-to-face. Not to mention the concept of the head tilt when staring straight ahead is impossible for them to grasp, which often leads to broken noses.

I guess in fictions they can, but in real life, no.

 

[iwatchus]

Actually, you said "in the 1900s". That's probably what caused the confusion.

I did see that. I don’t think one room school houses changed that much. And some of my friends were in school closer to 1900 than now. Do you really think the school experience of Tom Sawyer and Becky were bettter than now