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Did Palin's pick actually help crack the glass ceiling at all? Or do you think that Palin's pick actually works as superglue on some of those cracks to hold the glass ceiling more tightly together?

When it comes to these issues I'm quite the cynic. I actually think rather than progressing the work of women to cracking that glass ceiling, this token pick of an unqualified woman actually delegitimizes and diminishes some of the cracks Hillary Clinton actually made. It diminishes the work of those such as Barbara Jordan and other women who have served as governors, senators, representatives with strength and knowledge and will and grace.

This is why I, as a woman, am so angered by the Palin pick. This is why I, as a woman, have truly been searching all day, during work, the minute I came home, on information about her. I've been reading articles dating back years regarding Palin trying to figure this out. Trying to find some legitimacy in this.

I just can't.

Some Republican pundits said that women were angry because the first woman vice-president might be a Republican rather han a Democrat.

That's not my anger. That's not my issue. You see, Hillary Clinton, if ELECTED into office would have demonstrated that WOMEN could WIN the VOTES based on their policies, platform, strength, courage, fortitude, will, ideas, etc even though they were a woman.

Palin, who is not just inexperienced but is UNQUALIFIED, would have gotten there simply as a token pick by a man who has a pretty fucking weak record on women's issues (which can be seen by his own treatment of his first wife and the way he and his current wife have treated her extended family). And that's what pisses me off.
 
I mean it's the man railing against affirmative action using the policy to make the most important decision of his presidential campaign. Using this tokenization to determine who will be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Doesn't this in the future just promote further tokenization?

God, I'm just so pissed.
 
I agree.

I wasn't angry at first. just annoyed at how obvious the patronization was. then I talked to my mother. she was PISSED. after listening to her rant which was basically what you said here, I was pretty angry myself.

I think McCain's done the opposite of what he intended with his pick. I think women everywhere are seeing through the bullshit and it'll hurt him more than help.
 
I mean it's the man railing against affirmative action using the policy to make the most important decision of his presidential campaign. Using this tokenization to determine who will be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Doesn't this in the future just promote further tokenization?

God, I'm just so pissed.

Like Alberto Gonzalez or Condi?

Republicans have one hell of a pattern of condescension.
 
Like Alberto Gonzalez or Condi?

Republicans have one hell of a pattern of condescension.

It's Alan Keyes 2004 Illinois Senator race all over again. These guys are jokers masked as statement. (And their masks are definitely cheap knock-offs)
 
When I first heard about the pick and did a little background digging (though nothing as extensive as you), I immediately bristled at the assumption that this was a smarmy political move, which is clearly a highly likely possibility.

Tactically speaking, there are lots of Hillary Clinton supporters who were alienated when she didn't get the nomination, and McCain's choice feels like an obvious strategic move; he already has the staunch and dedicated support of Republican voters, and choosing a woman running mate could potentially help him win over the crucial undecideds who were left stranded after Obama got the nom. Problem is, I find that more offensive than anything, as it makes an assumption that the Hillary voters were just looking for a vagina in the White House, and will ignore the fact that this new pick is the diametric opposite as far as the issues are concerned. How out of touch do you have to be to assume they're that stupid?! Man. Fuck 'em.

Granted, most of this is based on intuitive extrapolation on my part, but to be fair, it's hardly unrealistic. Overall this just feels slimy, and cheeses me off.
 
And a pageant queen no doubt.

McCain is finished...

Doesn't it just ring of channeling two Bush moments.

First - it's a definite Harriet Meiers moment. But this time, Palin can't just remove herself from the race for someone else to come to the forefront.

And, I thought it might be a Bush-Putin moment "where he looked into his eyes" (or soul, or whatever the fuck). What a miscalculation that was. But, then I heard McCain had actually only met her once. What a leap of faith.

It's truly absurd. But even though the pick is terrible - and even though it will be terrible for "governing" - we'll have to see how it plays. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate.
 
When I first heard about the pick and did a little background digging (though nothing as extensive as you), I immediately bristled at the assumption that this was a smarmy political move, which is clearly a highly likely possibility.

Tactically speaking, there are lots of Hillary Clinton supporters who were alienated when she didn't get the nomination, and McCain's choice feels like an obvious strategic move; he already has the staunch and dedicated support of Republican voters, and choosing a woman running mate could potentially help him win over the crucial undecideds who were left stranded after Obama got the nom. Problem is, I find that more offensive than anything, as it makes an assumption that the Hillary voters were just looking for a vagina in the White House, and will ignore the fact that this new pick is the diametric opposite as far as the issues are concerned. How out of touch do you have to be to assume they're that stupid?! Man. Fuck 'em.

Granted, most of this is based on intuitive extrapolation on my part, but to be fair, it's hardly unrealistic. Overall this just feels slimy, and cheeses me off.

Totally agree. Glad to see there are others out there.
 
Lavy,

I'm as insulted as you, and I don't own a vagina...

Hazie, in this ownership society, you really need to get yourself a vagina.

(BTW - thought about you recently as Mouse has been watching all this fighting shit that is on TV all the time now. Everytime they do their judo or jujitsu or whatever, I think about the homoerotic nature of wrestling. :D)
 
If you want to wrestle with me, you need to quit responding to Karen Kraft threads.

You may as well quote BUSYBODY...
 
If you want to wrestle with me, you need to quit responding to Karen Kraft threads.

You may as well quote BUSYBODY...


Point well taken.

Busybody is the only person at Lit I actually have on ignore. I think I put him on there about 5 years ago and haven't bothered removing him.

It's odd - I've been posting here over 7 years!
 
Did Palin's pick actually help crack the glass ceiling at all? Or do you think that Palin's pick actually works as superglue on some of those cracks to hold the glass ceiling more tightly together?

When it comes to these issues I'm quite the cynic. I actually think rather than progressing the work of women to cracking that glass ceiling, this token pick of an unqualified woman actually delegitimizes and diminishes some of the cracks Hillary Clinton actually made. It diminishes the work of those such as Barbara Jordan and other women who have served as governors, senators, representatives with strength and knowledge and will and grace.

This is why I, as a woman, am so angered by the Palin pick. This is why I, as a woman, have truly been searching all day, during work, the minute I came home, on information about her. I've been reading articles dating back years regarding Palin trying to figure this out. Trying to find some legitimacy in this.

I just can't.

Some Republican pundits said that women were angry because the first woman vice-president might be a Republican rather han a Democrat.

That's not my anger. That's not my issue. You see, Hillary Clinton, if ELECTED into office would have demonstrated that WOMEN could WIN the VOTES based on their policies, platform, strength, courage, fortitude, will, ideas, etc even though they were a woman.

Palin, who is not just inexperienced but is UNQUALIFIED, would have gotten there simply as a token pick by a man who has a pretty fucking weak record on women's issues (which can be seen by his own treatment of his first wife and the way he and his current wife have treated her extended family). And that's what pisses me off.

Sarah 'Token' Palin
 
This is not a token.
Palin is a little female, and a whole lot of cunt.
Not a woman, but a bitch.
Just my little thought for you.
 
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