Are male subs in F/m pretty much free slave labor?

[WriterDom]

With 50 males lined up around the street for every Domme I would think so.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

Shall we test your theory?

(fixed your post)

With 50 males lined up around the street for every Domme I would think so.

 

[WriterDom]

thanks bb

 

[AAkasha]

With 50 males lined up around the street for every Domme I would think so.

Free labor? Give me a break. I have tested the "houseboy" thing. Sure, tons of males line up ready to clean your house, but in reality, they are more of a pain in the ass than paying a maid. They do shit work, steal your panties and jerk off in them, then suggest that maybe a "spanking" will help them get motivated. No thanks! This is a fantasy for them. The idea of having a man do "free labor" is a FANTASY for dominant women. No one does something for nothing.

Give me simple, straightforward submission instead. That means bend over, take my strap on, endure my bondage, suffer for my pleasure, and look hot while you do it. If there are any transactions, they should be clear and up front -- ie, I do this for you, you do this for me.

For example, if an incredibly HOT guy wants to submit on cam for me, I will send him toys and pay for the phone call so we can chat at the same time. If an incredibly NOT SO HOT guy wants to submit on cam for me, I am not going to be as inclined to want to play, unless we have a connection that has been built up through mutual affection, getting to know each other, and finding common ground -- and that takes time. Time is something many subs don't want to give, because their erection wants attention right here, right now.

Akasha

 

[BiBunny]

Free labor? Give me a break. I have tested the "houseboy" thing. Sure, tons of males line up ready to clean your house, but in reality, they are more of a pain in the ass than paying a maid. They do shit work, steal your panties and jerk off in them, then suggest that maybe a "spanking" will help them get motivated. No thanks! This is a fantasy for them. The idea of having a man do "free labor" is a FANTASY for dominant women. No one does something for nothing.

Yeah. What she said. Male subs don't have a shitty reputation for nothin'.

 

[Netzach]

I don't like weird people I hardly know in my house, so no.

As for weird people I get to know well, well you know how much of an investment that is, time wise.

 

[WriterDom]

Male subs have a shitty reputation? Didn't know that. But I go out of my way to avoid them. I know a lot of female subs that hate male subs in general.

 

[Netzach]

If I like a male submissive I have better things to do with him than make him do my dishes. Do you have girls come over to just vacuum?

 

[serijules]

Ma'am has a maid that cleans her house for her on a fairly regular basis. They do not play sexually. He is very grateful for the opportunity to serve her and I think the most he gets in return is some spanking/impact play and her company (which in my eyes in reward plenty!). So no, not all male subs are out just for sex and their own desires. Ma'am would never waste her time with someone who expected or demanded more than that, and he's been serving her almost a year.

I won't say I dislike or distrust other male subs as a general rule...as a general rule I distrust a lot of others subs regardless of gender! I've noticed over the years that many people feel they are very entitled to whatever they want or desire without considering the impact their actions and desires have on others and their relationships. My owner is a very admired woman in the circles she socializes in, and there is ALWAYS someone that is wanting a relationship with her. I find little difference from males to females in their selfishness at times and inconsideration. sigh

I don't think gender has as much to do with anything as the simple fact that there are a lot of selfish people out there with little understanding of how a BDSM relationship works.

 

[BiBunny]

Ma'am has a maid that cleans her house for her on a fairly regular basis. They do not play sexually. He is very grateful for the opportunity to serve her and I think the most he gets in return is some spanking/impact play and her company (which in my eyes in reward plenty!). So no, not all male subs are out just for sex and their own desires. Ma'am would never waste her time with someone who expected or demanded more than that, and he's been serving her almost a year.

I won't say I dislike or distrust other male subs as a general rule...as a general rule I distrust a lot of others subs regardless of gender! I've noticed over the years that many people feel they are very entitled to whatever they want or desire without considering the impact their actions and desires have on others and their relationships. My owner is a very admired woman in the circles she socializes in, and there is ALWAYS someone that is wanting a relationship with her. I find little difference from males to females in their selfishness at times and inconsideration. sigh

I don't think gender has as much to do with anything as the simple fact that there are a lot of selfish people out there with little understanding of how a BDSM relationship works.

You're probably right, and I think my earlier post may have come across as bitchy. Doms, Dommes, fem subs, and male subs can all be pains in the ass in different ways. I guess my views are colored because male subs are more likely to approach a Domme (or female switch in my case) with a proposition than fem subs are, in my experience.

 

[serijules]

I guess my views are colored because male subs are more likely to approach a Domme (or female switch in my case) with a proposition than fem subs are, in my experience.

I agree, but I kind of have more respect for that than the sneaky, manipulative way that many female subs operate. The female subs usually have the propositions and expectations too, they just are not as apt to be as forward about it, which just means for drama and hurt later rather than an upfront if albeit awkward "not interested".

 

[WriterDom]

If I like a male submissive I have better things to do with him than make him do my dishes. Do you have girls come over to just vacuum?

No, but it's not a bad idea. If one was willing to do it.

 

[Chicklet]

No, but it's not a bad idea. If one was willing to do it.

In some relationships I would go over and do housework without play occasionally... but there was always a *relationship* there and play *occasionally*

Used to drive up to Seattle to do laundry. I liked that guy A LOT

 

[Byakuya]

honestly, I don't think I could bring myself to do a bunch of chores just because.. I really value my free time and so the thought of spending a lot of time doing something for nothing makes me cringe.. I know some people are willing to do this, and I'm not saying they're wrong for doing it.. however, I have to say that I feel sorry for a guy who is just lonely and willing to do work just because he wants some company.. I suppose it depends on the situation though..

I suppose the most important factor in my mind, is the motivation of the dom in using the slave for labor.. if she's actually enjoying dominating her slave and watching him work for her, then I'd say it'd be okay.. but if she just wants to use someone to get some chores done and doesn't give a crap about him, then I wouldn't agree with that.. the motivation should be to dominate and humiliate the slave.. to me, it shouldn't just be about getting the work done..

 

[Evil_Geoff]

In some relationships I would go over and do housework without play occasionally... but there was always a *relationship* there and play *occasionally*

Used to drive up to Seattle to do laundry. I liked that guy A LOT

*sighs*

We really ARE too far apart! *stalkstalkstalk*

 

[Ebonyfire]

It takes a lot of effort to dominate anyone, so nothing is free.

And besides, men spend a lot of time on vanilla women who do not know how to handle them.

They WANT to be used, and to be useful (for a change).

 

[Ebonyfire]

Men as houseboy may be a fantasy for some dominant women, but it is something I just like.

I hate housework, and therefore why shouldn't a submissive do it for me? I am bored by the "Mistress I want to orally serve you" gang.

All the men I know can orally serve, but a good cook, and dishwasher is very rare!

Eb

[edited to add, machanic, plumber, errands runner, and escort]

 

[MaleSlut47]

That makes me rare then.

 

[twiggy_the_spider]

well, one of my best friends tells me she hasn't cleaned her kitchen in a year because she (a sub most of the time just as an aside) has a guy who comes over and does it while she sits on the counter in heels and a pencil skit and verbally abuses him. However, she lives quite far away so I've never met the man or seen how well this actually works.

 

[Homburg]

TANSTAAFL is still in effect. It ain't free labour if you are providing wank fodder for later. It's just low cost, or soft-cost, labour.

 

[Netzach]

TANSTAAFL is still in effect. It ain't free labour if you are providing wank fodder for later. It's just low cost, or soft-cost, labour.

Exactly.

And my verbal abuse costs way more than that.

 

[faeriefire]

The comments about people doing chores or work and not getting anything out of it...um...you do get something...satisfaction of a job well done, knowing you've made something clean or beautiful or more presentable. When done for others there's the knowledge that they will be in a nicer environment and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Growing up we traded off who did chores at home. When I go home I usually take over laundry, washing dishes, cleaning the house and help the guys with a myriad of chores outside because I enjoy being useful and the rest of the family knows I will do it. When I'm not there Dad does most of the inside chores too with some help from mom. We all trade off cooking, tho the guys are the best while mom and I are better at baking. During haying season all of us will be out working 16-hour days if necessary to get all the bales in before the weather turns. I know too many people who live in messy environments and then complain about it. Or want someone else to clean their mess.

If I didn't do chores at home I'd still be part of the family and I don't get anything out of it from the others. But I do feel pride and satisfaction in seeing what I've accomplished on a personal level. And it means I get to live in a nice place and wear clean clothes myself. It seems many people think 'if I do the laundry, I should in return get xyz'. In a relationship you do the laundry because someone has to do it, it needs to done, and you are in a position to do it. Right? Some things are negotiable. Some things are bargaining chips. I don't think housework should be a commodity to be traded for sexual or other favors. I mean serious...I'll vacuum, you flog me...um...aren't they kinda unrelated...not to mention win-win scenarios...???

 

[greeneyed_Lady]

Nothing in life is free. Nothing.

The boy I play with now has done some things for me (yard work) because I have some limitations physically that can prevent me from doing them sometimes. I fell down my stairs in January and still have twinges in my back and hips, so he's been here to help with the snow shovelling in the winter and he helped me put in and expand the gardens, as well as shift the rocks. I can assure you he was well rewarded.

Beyond that.. I get kind of creeped out by strangers offering to do things for me. I'm far too much of a control freak to allow someone else to come in and do the cleaning and laundry.

 

[Shadowsdream]

With 50 males lined up around the street for every Domme I would think so.

No not free labor at all though far too often they verbalize what they don't really mean hoping the Domme will read between the lines and give them what they want while doing what equates to "good enough" in their eyes while She kills time waiting to redo it herself the minute they are out the door.

Some male slaves serve impeccably because they truly do get off on pleasing a Woman which for this Mistress is valuable which can equate with "hot". It is all about the authenticity in the original verbalization.

Hello WriterDom long time no see!

 

[Kajira Callista]

No not free labor at all though far too often they verbalize what they don't really mean hoping the Domme will read between the lines and give them what they want while doing what equates to "good enough" in their eyes while She kills time waiting to redo it herself the minute they are out the door.

Some male slaves serve impeccably because they truly do get off on pleasing a Woman which for this Mistress is valuable which can equate with "hot". It is all about the authenticity in the original verbalization.

Hello WriterDom long time no see!

*pants*