Another stupid stupid US government decision

[Dribble]

First the Trump Administration dropped the ball...then the Biden Administration. Why the fuck do we give away technology that could make our lives better? Seriously...our leaders are fucking idiots. No....we vote those idiots in...so we really are the idiots. We deserve our failed country. Congratulations America....for being so stupid

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium

 

[ll74]

The US needs to increase our IP, not give it to foreign governments. This is insane

 

[Counselor706]

First the Trump Administration dropped the ball...then the Biden Administration. Why the fuck do we give away technology that could make our lives better? Seriously...our leaders are fucking idiots. No....we vote those idiots in...so we really are the idiots. We deserve our failed country. Congratulations America....for being so stupid

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium

Obama dropped the ball...

UniEnergy Technologies (UET)'s strategic partner and affiliate Rongke Power will deploy the world's largest battery, rated at 800MWh. UET and Rongke Power have worked closely together since 2012 to develop large-scale Vanadium Flow Batteries (VFB's) to meet the challenges of grid modernization, renewable penetration, and resiliency.

Collaboration between UET and Rongke Power will be memorialized in a US-China EcoPartnership signing ceremony attended by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry in Beijing on June 7, 2016. UET will be represented by Rick Winter, UET's President and Chief Operating Officer.

https://eepower.com/news/worlds-largest-battery-to-be-deployed-in-china/

 

[Dribble]

Sigh....who was president in 2017? Count on your fingers. When was the licenses given?

 

[butters]

The agency issued the license, and Yang launched UniEnergy Technologies. He hired engineers and researchers. But he soon ran into trouble. He said he couldn't persuade any U.S. investors to come aboard.

"I talked to almost all major investment banks; none of them (wanted to) invest in batteries," Yang said in an interview, adding that the banks wanted a return on their investments faster than the batteries would turn a profit.

He said a fellow scientist connected him with a Chinese businessman named Yanhui Liu and a company called Dalian Rongke Power Co. Ltd., along with its parent company, and he jumped at the chance to have them invest and even help manufacture the batteries.

At first, UniEnergy Technologies did the bulk of the battery assembly in the warehouse. But over the course of the next few years, more and more of the manufacturing and assembling began to shift to Rongke Power, Chris Howard said. In 2017, Yang formalized the relationship and granted Dalian Rongke Power Co. Ltd. an official sublicense, allowing the company to make the batteries in China.

there's the start of the problem, right there... Americans weren't willing to invest in this technology

the relevant depts, though, didn't follow through to make sure the company honoured its agreement to 'substantially manufacture the batteries in the US'

Any company can choose to manufacture in China. But in this case, the rules are pretty clear. Yang's original license requires him to sell a certain number of batteries in the U.S., and it says those batteries must be "substantially manufactured" here.

In an interview, Yang acknowledged that he did not do that. UniEnergy Technologies sold a few batteries in the U.S., but not enough to meet its requirements. The ones it did sell, including in one instance to the U.S. Navy, were made in China. But Yang said in all those years, neither the lab nor the department questioned him or raised any issues.

the technology was there but the American money for it wasn't.

 

[phrodeau]

Weaning China off of coal ASAP seems like a good idea.

 

[jomar]

Long game vs short game.

 

[icanhelp1]

So much for good faith gestures. Where was congressional oversight? We are led by a bunch of incompetent fools. This is one of many dropped balls when it comes to China. Maybe give China one of our Virginia class Subs so they can help us in designing a better one.

 

[Dribble]

there's the start of the problem, right there... Americans weren't willing to invest in this technology

the relevant depts, though, didn't follow through to make sure the company honoured its agreement to 'substantially manufacture the batteries in the US'


the technology was there but the American money for it wasn't.

I call bullshit. There is ALWAYS investment money available if the investors know about it. Now....it is possible...that the investors asked were more interested in the quick buck the markets were doing at those times. But to say no American would have been interested? Bullshit

 

[butters]

I call bullshit. There is ALWAYS investment money available if the investors know about it. Now....it is possible...that the investors asked were more interested in the quick buck the markets were doing at those times. But to say no American would have been interested? Bullshit

i didn't actually specify 'no' americans but posted that the investment bankers providing the american money weren't interested.

it's a terrible loss that the gov't didn't put the money up, but we can blame the trump shit show for that

 

[Dribble]

i didn't actually specify 'no' americans but posted that the investment bankers providing the american money weren't interested.

it's a terrible loss that the gov't didn't put the money up, but we can blame the trump shit show for that

Yes and no. The research started under the Obama Administration. The DOE should have had tabs on it. When it came up for initial lease was under the Trump Admin. So much for making America great

 

[butters]

the patents are still US gov't owned... perhaps this matter will be redressed. As for China (the rest of the world, for that matter) having the technology, i don't personally have a problem with it if it's all to the good of reducing worldwide pollution, use of fossil fuels, reducing the rate this planet's heating at. Having said that, given it was tax-payer money funding the research, i suppose the American people should have had some say in where the technology know-how went. I suspect they'd have balked at other countries being able to use it, despite global benefits for future generations.

 

[butters]

Yes and no. The research started under the Obama Administration. The DOE should have had tabs on it. When it came up for initial lease was under the Trump Admin. So much for making America great

actually, according to your own link, the research began in 2006, 3 years before Obama became 44. The application to make and sell the batteries wasn't made and granted till 2012.