Another day, another idea.

[jaykaythree]

While I'm not crazy enough to jump into the LW snakepit, I was thinking to take a swipe at it in an upcoming story (which will either end up in Romance, or maybe Mature).

You're familiar, are you not, with the trope of a wronged husband going scorched earth on his wife, her lover, and lover's business concern? Well, this story idea has that as the crux, what sets things into motion; more specifically, the male lead's struggles when some quixotic jackass (not the lead) does as I have described, forcing the closure of the business at which the lead works. In his attempts to find different work, his marriage can't take the financial strain, and he sets about in the events that will become this story.

So ... what say you? You've been helpful in the past,, and I was wondering if I should go quite that route, or tone it down And chalk up the financial misfortune to something else.

As always, thanks so much.

 

[NotWise]

It seems like most of what you described is back story. The concept is a spinoff from a BTB scenario. You don't tell us anything about "the events that will become the story."

The back story is fine. You don't describe the story itself, so I can't say anything at all about it.

 

[jaykaythree]

The idea. is that that bit of BTB brings down a business at which our male lead works. In the process, he takes different jobs to try and hold it together, but can't do it very long. His marriage suffers and later ends, which sets him up for the course of events that leads to the story and its resolution.

I can offer more details if needed. What I'm driving at, mostly, is that these BTBs, and the Torchy McJackwagons with these ideas, tend not to think things through.

 

[NotWise]

If you aren't publishing it in LW, then there may not be many readers who get the BTB connection. Is that it? Is that the question?

From what you've described, it doesn't sound like a Romance.

 

[jaykaythree]

It looks to be a Romance down the road, in that if not for this incident, our male lead would not have the one he rides off into the sunset with, as it were.

You know, now that I think about it, I can take a completely different tack, one that involves simply a business merger or some such in which our hero is collateral damage (as he would have been in the case of a reckless BTB).. Hell, at this point in as much of the story as I've written, he's just barely graduated from high school; nothing Big has happened yet like the unraveling of his first marriage.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

If you think it is long enough, also consider posting it in Novels/Novellas. A friendlier population of readers and allows for more diverse subject matter.

 

[lovecraft68]

The idea. is that that bit of BTB brings down a business at which our male lead works. In the process, he takes different jobs to try and hold it together, but can't do it very long. His marriage suffers and later ends, which sets him up for the course of events that leads to the story and its resolution.

I can offer more details if needed. What I'm driving at, mostly, is that these BTBs, and the Torchy McJackwagons with these ideas, tend not to think things through.

I like this because what you seem to be doing is a reverse of what the idiot commenters in LW do, when they leave remarks about "and then the husband manned up and beat the wife and killed the boyfriend, or, and then the wife got an std and went to jail"

So you're now showing the BTB assholes what the ramifications of their BS is in the case of an innocent bystander suffering because the BTB events fallout cost him his job and possibly his marriage. Great concept, but lost on those morons because they only have three brain cells in their head and all three can't work at the same time.

So like Notwise mentioned, where you're taking it will decide where you should put it I disagree with him non LW readers would understand BTB. Most can understand the concept of revenge and how others can get dragged into the aftermath.

 

[MajorRewrite]

What I'm driving at, mostly, is that these BTBs, and the Torchy McJackwagons with these ideas, tend not to think things through.

Torchy McJackwagons is funny. I agree that in BTB stories the crazed retribution often isn’t thought through. There’s a wacko competition among those writers to see who can come up with the most violent, crazy, over-the-top retribution on a wife who leaves her husband. They pat each other on the back for truly destructive plots.

There was a LW story yesterday in which the ex-husband tells his ex-wife something that causes her to have a stroke. The ex-husband is happy she had a stroke. Happy. She. Had. A. Stroke. The comments are full of “great job“ and “loved it”. Sick puppies.

Anyway, the BTB plot does seem to be unnecessary to your main story, so I’d ditch it. But maybe consider another story that centers around the BTB revenge loon and how karma burns him for being a violent nutcase? There are comedic possibilities.

 

[lovecraft68]

Torchy McJackwagons is funny. I agree that in BTB stories the crazed retribution often isn’t thought through. There’s a wacko competition among those writers to see who can come up with the most violent, crazy, over-the-top on a wife who leaves her husband. They pat each other on the back for truly destructive plots.

There was a LW story yesterday in which the ex-husband tells his ex-wife something that causes her to have a stroke. The ex-husband is happy she had a stroke. Happy. She. Had. A. Stroke. The comments are full of “great job“ and “loved it”. Sick puppies.

Anyway, the BTB plot does seem to be unnecessary to your main story, so I’d ditch it. But maybe consider another story that centers around the BTB revenge loon and how karma burns him for being a violent nutcase? There are comedic possibilities.

Said it before, will say it again

BTB stories are written by trash for trash. No exceptions.

Angry little punk incels riling up the same.

Pure unadulterated filth.

 

[jaykaythree]

Said it before, will say it again

BTB stories are written by trash for trash. No exceptions.

Angry little punk incels riling up the same.

Pure unadulterated filth.

Hence my idea to show what might actually happen, to hold the mirror up to them ... but I have a feeling that I'd be getting into "trying to teach a pig to sing" territory, or "teaching a pigeon to play chess" -- in short, noble effort but wasted.

 

[lovecraft68]

Contrary to what is said here, there is also a large intelligent and supportive audience among LW's readers.

For the actual attempts at stories I'm sure there is, and I'll add they probably get frustrated as well with some of the slop that gets posted there. Its kind of a minefield to find a good story that isn't full of hate and humiliation.

BTB stories on the other hand only appeal to bitter woman hating hyenas who cheer on women being raped, tortured, jailed and whatever other fate the halfwit 'authors' portray as happening.

The entire group could use a good curb stomping.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The entire group could use a good curb stomping.

I would agree, except I have a couple of stories posted in LW and I’m working on another.

 

[lovecraft68]

I would agree, except I have a couple of stories posted in LW and I’m working on another.

I'm only talking the BTB crowd, not the rest.

In 2012 I wrote a burn the bastard story that was over the top nasty to pay back the BTB crowd. Oddly enough it was around 4.2 or so during its initial 'run" as time went by it slipped over a 4.5. But its a product of the times. If I posted this today it wouldn't see a 3, the category has sadly devolved with the sane people now the silent majority because the lunatics attack people who have the never to leave good comments.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Help a noob out. What the hell is BTB?

 

[NotWise]

Help a noob out. What the hell is BTB?

Burn The Bitch -- a genre of LW stories that focuses on the husband's retaliation against a cheating wife.

 

[SimonDoom]

It looks to be a Romance down the road, in that if not for this incident, our male lead would not have the one he rides off into the sunset with, as it were.

You know, now that I think about it, I can take a completely different tack, one that involves simply a business merger or some such in which our hero is collateral damage (as he would have been in the case of a reckless BTB).. Hell, at this point in as much of the story as I've written, he's just barely graduated from high school; nothing Big has happened yet like the unraveling of his first marriage.

Like some of the others who've commented, I think I'm having trouble getting a clear handle on your main story concept. Personally, I prefer a story, even a longer story, where there's a story arc of some kind. Is this a romance? A revenge story? A story about personal redemption? I can't tell. Maybe it has elements of all of them, but I think it will come together better for you if you figure out a dominant focus.

All of them can work.

There's nothing inherently trashy about a revenge story. Hamlet, the most lauded play of all time, is a revenge story. The problem with most Lit BTB stories is the way they pander to certain misogynistic myths about how society allegedly privileges women over men, and also the comically terrible rah-rah comments drawn from the fans of these stories. I've read some "revenge against the wife" stories at Literotica and I cannot recall a single one treating the subject in a way that strikes me as believable. There's some opportunity, I think, to explore new ground in this area. But be prepared that if you do that the reaction from the BTB faithful may not be what you want, because many of them (not all!) want red meat thrown to them like hungry animals.

 

[SimonDoom]

Help a noob out. What the hell is BTB?

Here's some quick background. I hope it's helpful.

Loving Wives is by far the weirdest category of stories at Literotica. It's the second- or third- most popular, in terms of total views, after Incest, and sometimes Illustrated. If you wish to get a lot of views and comments, a good bet is to publish in Loving Wives.

But be prepared for what you wish for.

The category was originally established, judging from the site's category description, as a place to celebrate extramarital fun--hot wives, cuckolds, swingers, that sort of thing. And to this day, there's a very large readership for such stories.

But over the years a subculture has developed in the category of readers who HATE those stories. They prefer a completely different type of story: one where the wife cheats, and then the aggrieved husband gets revenge against her and her lover. This class of story has come to be known as the "BTB"/"Burn the Bitch" story.

And as far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with that. To each his own. The problem is that "to each his own" is not the way many of these readers see things. They are so upset by stories where wives have extramarital sex and get away with it that they seek those stories out, downvote them, and leave angry and sometimes vile comments about them. And some of them will seek out the OTHER stories of the writers of these stories and downvote those too. They insist that such stories should NOT be published in the Loving Wives category, despite the fact that the category was set up in the first place precisely for those kinds of stories. This readership is the least tolerant readership you will find at Literotica. The result is they spoil the fun of those who want to write and publish the kinds of stories Loving Wives originally was intended for.

 

[jaykaythree]

I'd like to keep the Torchy McJackwagon angle ... on a side burner in my mind.

For the idea I'm working on right now, I think I'll keep along the lines of "nobody was at fault ... shit just happened, as it does in life, and here's how I moved forward. "

 

[lovecraft68]

Help a noob out. What the hell is BTB?

They authors and readers of those stories make the non con readers look like feminists.

 

[jaykaythree]

If you think it is long enough, also consider posting it in Novels/Novellas. A friendlier population of readers and allows for more diverse subject matter.

I may have enough material to do just that, now that I think of the arcs to take and how to tie them together.

 

[jaykaythree]

Still working with it, and was looking to make it a multipart story, until I found myself 5500 words in and, at that point, was rambling about how my male lead and his first wife took their coffee. I therefore decided to scrap all but the first two paragraphs, and build a tighter narrative about what led to our male lead's divorce. I'll still cover the Torchy McJackwagon angle, but more of a highlight reel.



And I'll let you know when it goes live at last -- thank you all for bearing with me.

 

[Emilymcplugger]

You're familiar, are you not, with the trope of a wronged husband going scorched earth on his wife, her lover, and lover's business concern? Well, this story idea has that as the crux, what sets things into motion; more specifically, the male lead's struggles when some quixotic jackass (not the lead) does as I have described, forcing the closure of the business at which the lead works. In his attempts to find different work, his marriage can't take the financial strain, and he sets about in the events that will become this story.

So ... what say you? You've been helpful in the past,, and I was wondering if I should go quite that route

As others have pointed out and I agree with…LOVE this idea.

When you take something old and add a new spin to it in a way others have not that’s always worth taking a stab at, and this long-drawn out romance will definitely be something that most readers on here get.

You should 100% do this…in my opinion…which you can take or leave.

 

[MillieDynamite]

If you write an involved story with two plots, the BNB paralleling the collateral damage story, you can take both stories to their conclusions. Follow the husband and wife in the CD story, add whatever lovely ends up with him at some point, and in the BNB, follow to whatever conclusion you want this one to have. Make the two male characters partners, and the woman's revenge wrecks two families for the price of one. That would make a really good tale IMHO.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Said it before, will say it again

BTB stories are written by trash for trash. No exceptions.

Angry little punk incels riling up the same.

Pure unadulterated filth.

Hey, fuck you, too!

Statements lacking nuance are fun.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I did something sort of like this with Philanthropic. It was a spin on the "Indecent Proposal" type of story, where the millionaire offers a ridiculous sum of money to sleep with a married woman. It's one that's been done a lot in LW. In my case, there were two twists. First, the guy offering the money had it done to him, got divorced, got revenge on the man that had done it, and then decided to turn around and "help" men in marriages with wives that would fall for it; if the wife accepted the offer and the husband didn't, the husband got all the money and the wife got the shaft. Coincidentally, almost all the women he targeted looked like his ex-wife.

He's painted as a bitter lunatic that's more interested in hurting people than helping them, which is revealed in the second twist when the husband that he "helps" at the start of the story... well, read it. It's definitely a revenge story, and technically a BTB, although the husband doesn't actually do anything to the wife directly. It's largely "NTH goes on an anti-late-stage-capitalism rant about disruptors and vulture capitalists." I, uh, kinda watched Glass Onion halfway through writing it.