Affordable Health Care Act

[Freebird49]

Aka --- Obama Care.

I would be interested in hearing what my American friends on Literotica feel about this issue? Statistics report that there are 45 million Americans who are without any healthcare coverage. Bringing this number down would make your country a far better place in my opinion.

Employers can keep their own plans but the idea of individuals being able to buy health insurance (even with pre-existing medical conditions) appears to be reasonable.

The Tea Party stuff aside, how do Americans feel about this issue? Is it worth the grief of not only shuttering government but defaulting on debt?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Have you examined the breakdown of who does not have insurance and if any of that number includes people with temporary stoppages such as changing jobs...



In short, is the number inflated for emotional effect?


Does insurance = health care?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

We plow this field about once a month.

30 million or so are illegals.

A few million are prisoners.

A few million are military.

A few million are homeless bums wandering America.

The rest are tween jobs.

 

[Freebird49]

Obama Care

Have you examined the breakdown of who does not have insurance and if any of that number includes people with temporary stoppages such as changing jobs...



In short, is the number inflated for emotional effect?


Does insurance = health care?

Maybe not but there are other societal problems that will result from the inability of Americans to get quality healthcare.

 

[Busybody]

Maybe not but there are other societal problems that will result from the inability of Americans to get quality healthcare.

keep holding your dick and STFU

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Maybe not but there are other societal problems that will result from the inability of Americans to get quality healthcare.

Americans get quality healthcare.

You have to prove otherwise. Your first attempt, as you can see, is not the way to get there.

 

[Freebird49]

Don't worry about my dick. It's alive and well. I would worry about yours when you are taken into one of the lovely HMOs and the sexy little attendant asks you... "How would you like to pay for that.... Visa, Amex, Mastercard or Discovery Card.?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Does insurance = health care?

Nope. Insurance = Access to health care, which is almost as bad to you not-Republicans.

 

[Freebird49]

I am not a Republican, nor a Democrat. I don't even live in your country. I am a small "c" conservative.

Obviously this is a very sensitive topic.

Oh well, I learned my lesson. No more posts on weighty topics. I'll return to the more intellectually stimulating topics like -- sex...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Was I not civil?

 

[Busybody]

I am not a Republican, nor a Democrat. I don't even live in your country. I am a small "c" conservative.

Obviously this is a very sensitive topic.

Oh well, I learned my lesson. No more posts on weighty topics. I'll return to the more intellectually stimulating topics like -- sex...

you are not a REPOH nor a DUMOH yet you are GOOSE-STEPING with the DUMZ talking points

 

[RobDownSouth]

Don't worry about my dick. It's alive and well. I would worry about yours when you are taken into one of the lovely HMOs and the sexy little attendant asks you... "How would you like to pay for that.... Visa, Amex, Mastercard or Discovery Card.?

I wondered why you started talking about your dick, then I realized you must've been trolled by Busybody/NoHoMo, who just about everyone has on ignore here.

Getting trolled by him is something of a rite of passage, just ignore him and you'll improve your "Lit experience" a great deal.

 

[peterlychen]

I see the logic in everyone having affordable healthcare. One practical example is if someone gets an airborne communicable disease and lets it run wildly, it could have disastrous effects. That's the theoretical.
In the practical, I've seen my individual health care plan go up about $100/month. WTF!!!!!
I'm not "between" jobs. I'm working for a contract house and they've made the price of having one child added higher than just individual coverage. I'm not entirely happy about ACA.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Might as well go for the hijack then...

Polygamy is against the law in the U.S. and Canada, and that’s a good thing: the practice devalues women, reducing them to the status of commodities, and stands as an affront to their equality with men as human beings. But now anti-polygamy laws are coming under stealthy and subtle challenge, as both governments bow before the god of multiculturalism and dare not confront the increasing number of Muslims who are practicing polygamy in both countries.

The QMI Agency reported on October 1 that “Canadian immigration officials are letting polygamous men into the country as long as they arrive with only their first wife and promise not to obtain a harem afterward.” The polygamous men are gaming the system, as immigration lawyer Richard Kurland explained: “Under Canadian law, all other marriages after the first are illegal. For this reason, the first spouse only may enter Canada on a permanent basis, which creates a monogamous marriage.”

But if a polygamist wants to bring his other wives into Canada, all he has to do is divorce the others and remarry them in turn, while promising not to practice polygamy. Kurland explains: “You can immigrate with one (wife) by divorcing the others — divorce the one in Canada, marry the second one, bring her in (and) repeat the loop, as long as you sign a paper promising that you are not living in a polygamous relationship in Canada. There is no enforcement, control, or monitoring.”

There isn’t any in the United States, either. In 2011, a Muslim named Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif was charged with plotting a jihad attack against the Military Entrance Processing Station in Seattle military recruiting station. His niqabbed wife, Binta Moussa-Davis, declared of her husband: “He just good Muslim. Perfect Muslim. He pray five times a day.” One feature of Abdul-Latif’s devout commitment to Islam was his desire to marry again – without divorcing Binta, of course.

Abdul-Latif posted on a Muslim dating site: “I am a very dedicated, strong, and intelligent Muslim, and I am looking for a second wife from in [sic] whom [sic] wouldn’t mind sharing me with my current wife being that we are in compliance with the sunnah, and want to make a life from the most oppressive place on this earth ‘America.’”

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/10/07/canada-and-the-u-s-welcome-polygamy/?singlepage=true

I thought we were tolerant and ready to celebrate diversity.

Maybe a quid pro quo, if you will tolerate same-sex marriage...

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I see the logic in everyone having affordable healthcare. One practical example is if someone gets an airborne communicable disease and lets it run wildly, it could have disastrous effects. That's the theoretical.
In the practical, I've seen my individual health care plan go up about $100/month. WTF!!!!!
I'm not "between" jobs. I'm working for a contract house and they've made the price of having one child added higher than just individual coverage. I'm not entirely happy about ACA.

Every health insurance plan I've ever had charged more for self & spouse, and still more for self & spouse & family (all children) than they did for self-only insurance.

Consider yourself lucky that the child was covered gratis until now, but their adding an additional cost has nothing to with the Affordable Care Act.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yet according to a recent report from Women's e-News, many Canadian Muslim women now are speaking out against the government's new focus on these crimes, arguing that honor violence is no different from any other form of domestic abuse. Opponents of the idea call the projects "racist," and claim they put an unwarranted and biased focus on Muslim and Hindi families. "When women of color are killed, we ask these larger questions around their culture. We ask what's wrong with their entire people--their culture, their religion--instead of a particular person," Itrath Syed, who is pursuing a Ph.D. in "Islamophobia" in Vancouver, for instance, told Women's e-News.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/10/07/Canadian-Muslims-Protest-Honor-Killing-Label-As-Racist

 

[RobDownSouth]

I see the logic in everyone having affordable healthcare. One practical example is if someone gets an airborne communicable disease and lets it run wildly, it could have disastrous effects. That's the theoretical.
In the practical, I've seen my individual health care plan go up about $100/month. WTF!!!!!
I'm not "between" jobs. I'm working for a contract house and they've made the price of having one child added higher than just individual coverage. I'm not entirely happy about ACA.

Seriously? You had a self+one child policy priced the same as a self-only?

I didn't think any of those sort of policies had survived the Bush administration.

 

[CandiCame]

Americans get quality healthcare.

You have to prove otherwise. Your first attempt, as you can see, is not the way to get there.

mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Just... oh my god... no, honey. No.

Edit: I'm southern and this is one of those few occasions that warrants me to say this, but 4rest... just, Bless your lil heart...

 

[RjThoughts]

I see the logic in everyone having affordable healthcare. One practical example is if someone gets an airborne communicable disease and lets it run wildly, it could have disastrous effects. That's the theoretical.
In the practical, I've seen my individual health care plan go up about $100/month. WTF!!!!!
I'm not "between" jobs. I'm working for a contract house and they've made the price of having one child added higher than just individual coverage. I'm not entirely happy about ACA.

You changed coverage, from individual to family, of course it's going to be higher. What made you believe it was going to stay the same price?

 

[Wrong Element]

Americans get quality healthcare that, if you're not insured, is indirectly paid for by everyone else, and typically costs much more if someone has to wait until a once manageable problem has become a true emergency..

You have to prove otherwise. Your first attempt, as you can see, is not the way to get there.

Just clarifying! Remember last year, when Mitt Romney said we didn't need the ACA because the uninsured have their costs covered by hospitals or the government, as if "hospitals or the government" get their cash from Mars or something?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Just clarifying! Remember last year, when Mitt Romney said we didn't need the ACA because the uninsured have their costs covered by hospitals or the government, as if "hospitals or the government" get their cash from Mars or something?

I don't think he remembers! But! He will have a quote or four from some dead turn-of-the-century philosopher mofos and Ayn Rand that will non-answer your question!

 

[dan_c00000]

We plow this field about once a month.

30 million or so are illegals.

A few million are prisoners.

A few million are military.

A few million are homeless bums wandering America.

The rest are tween jobs.

Wow that's not even being close to right. If 30 million Americans are illegal that means literally 1 out of every 3 Americans doesn't belong here. So by those odds you (and your whore daughter) are illegals good job.

Hey are you going to dress up as a Klansman for Halloween or no because that's just your everyday attire?

 

[Recidiva]

It is a necessary thing. Our medical capabilities have far outstripped our ability to pay for them. Maybe insurance wasn't necessary in history when your options were bloodletting or witchcraft.

Now we have expensive and necessary procedures and hospitals that do not turn away patients.

We need a mechanism to pay for it, it is offered as a service to citizens, let's acknowledge that as a good thing and put a mechanism in place to help mitigate the costs.

I also think that if you don't want to buy in, sign a waiver that you won't ever go to a hospital, and you're off the hook. A buzzer can go off if they try to enter the emergency room doors and they can just roll them back out. However, doctors are ethical and won't allow it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wow that's not even being close to right. If 30 million Americans are illegal that means literally 1 out of every 3 Americans doesn't belong here. So by those odds you (and your whore daughter) are illegals good job.

Hey are you going to dress up as a Klansman for Halloween or no because that's just your everyday attire?

You might want to recheck your numbers a tiny bit or a lot a bit actually.

 

[MeeMie]

The truth of the matter ... READ IT ALL

DEMOCRATS TO AMERICA: WE OWN THE GOVERNMENT!



In the current fight over the government shutdown, Republicans are simply representing the views of the American people.

Americans didn't ask for Obamacare, they don't want it, but now their insurance premiums are going through the roof, their doctors aren't accepting it, and their employers are moving them into part-time work -- or firing them -- to avoid the law's mandates.

Contrary to Obama's promises, it turns out: You can't keep your doctor, you can't keep your insurance -- you can't even keep your job. In other words, it's a typical government program, but this one wrecks your health care.

Also, the president did raise taxes on the middle class in defiance of his well-worn campaign promise not to. Indeed, Obamacare is the largest tax hike in U.S. history.

Among the other changes effected by this law are:

-- Obamacare will allow insurers to charge 50 percent higher premiums for smokers, but prohibits insurers from increasing premiums for those with HIV/AIDS.

-- Nationally, Obamacare will increase men's individual insurance premiums by an average of 99 percent and women's by 62 percent. In North Carolina, for example, individual insurance premiums will triple for women and quadruple for men.

-- Health plans valued at $27,500 or more for a family of four will be taxed at a rate of 40 percent.

-- No doctors who went to an American medical school will be accepting Obamacare.

-- A 62-year-old man earning $46,000 a year is entitled to a $7,836 government tax credit to buy health insurance. But if he earns an extra $22 in income, he loses the entire $7,836 credit. He will have more take-home pay by earning $46,000 than if he earns $55,000. (If he's lucky, he already works for one of the companies forced by Obamacare to reduce employees' hours!)

-- Merely to be eligible for millions of dollars in grants from the federal government under Obamacare, education and training programs are required to meet racial, ethnic, gender, linguistic and sexual orientation quotas. That's going to make health care MUCH better!


-- Obamacare is turning America into a part-time nation. According to a recent report by economist John Lott, 97 percent of all jobs added to the economy so far this year have been part-time jobs. Ninety-seven percent!

-- Obamacare is such a disaster that the people who wrote it refuse to live under it themselves. That's right, Congress won a waiver from Obamacare.

Responding to the people's will, House Republicans first voted to fund all of government -- except Obamacare. Obama refused to negotiate and Senate Democrats refused to pass it.

Then the Republicans voted to fully fund the government, but merely delay the implementation of Obamacare for one year. Obama refused to negotiate and Senate Democrats refused to pass it.

Finally, the Republicans voted to fully fund the government, but added a requirement that everyone live under Obamacare. No more special waivers for Congress and their staff, and no waivers for big business without the same waivers for individuals.

Obama refused to negotiate and Senate Democrats refused to pass it. So as you can see, Republicans are the big holdup here.

A longtime Democratic operative, Karen Finney, explained the Democrats' intransigence on MSNBC to a delighted Joan Walsh (aka the most easily fooled person on TV) by comparing House Republicans to a teenager trying to borrow his mother's car. "No, I'm not negotiating!" Mother says. "It's MY CAR!"

This wasn't a stupid slip of the tongue that other Democrats quickly rejected. Finney had used the exact same metaphor to a panel of highly agreeable MSNBC guests the day before. (MSNBC books no other kind of guest.)

The left thinks the government is their car and the people's representatives are obstreperous teenagers trying to borrow the government. Which belongs to Democrats.

That's not how the Constitution views the House of Representatives. To the contrary, the House is considered most reflective of the people's will because its members are elected every two years.

As a matter of fact, the Republicans who mistakenly assume they have something to do with running the government represent most of the people who pay taxes to run it. So it's more like a teenager who is making the car payments, maintaining the car insurance and taking responsibility for registering the car being told: "It's not your car."

But the Democrats refuse to even negotiate. It's their government -- and if you Republicans think you're going out dressed like that, you've got another thing coming! Needless to say, they absolutely will not consider the Republicans' demand that Democrats merely live under Obamacare themselves.

Instead, Democrats say "the Koch brothers" are behind the effort to defund Obamacare.

They say Republicans are trying to "burn the whole house down" (Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz); "have lost their minds" (Sen. Harry Reid); are trying to negotiate "with a bomb strapped to their chest" (senior White House adviser Dan Pfeiffer); are "legislative arsonists" (Rep. Nancy Pelosi); and are engaging in "blatant extortion" (White House press secretary Jay Carney).

The MSNBC crowd calls Republicans "arsonists" every 15 minutes. They ought to check with fellow MSNBC host Al Sharpton. He knows his arsonists! In 1995, Sharpton whipped up a mob outside the Jewish-owned Freddy's Fashion Mart with an anti-Semitic speech. Sometime later, a member of the mob torched the store, killing seven Hispanic employees.

Every single Democrat in the country uses the exact same talking point: We "refuse to negotiate with a gun being held to our head."

Which means the Democrats will not negotiate at all -- not now, not ever. House Republicans have already passed three-dozen bills defunding, or otherwise modifying, Obamacare. Senate Democrats and liberal commentators had a good laugh at Republicans for passing them.

Now they're paying attention!

If you are in the minority of Americans not already unalterably opposed to Obamacare, keep in mind that the only reason the government is shut down right now is that Democrats refuse to fund the government if they are required to live under Obamacare.

That's how good it is!

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