US healthcare ranks last

[MajorRewrite]

US health system ranks last compared with peer nations, report finds

Most expensive, worst outcomes!

The United States health system ranked dead last in an international comparison of 10 peer nations, according to a new report by the Commonwealth Fund.

In spite of Americans paying nearly double that of other countries, the system performed poorly on health equity, access to care and outcomes.

However, even as high healthcare prices bite into workers’ paychecks, the economy and inflation dominate voters’ concerns. Neither Kamala Harris nor Donald Trump has proposed major healthcare reforms.

The Democratic presidential nominee has largely reframed healthcare as an economic issue, promising medical debt relief while highlighting the Biden administration’s successes, such as Medicare drug price negotiations.

The Republican presidential nominee said he has “concepts of a plan” to improve healthcare, but has made no proposals. The conservative policy agenda Project 2025 has largely proposed gutting scientific and public health infrastructure.

My “concept of a plan”: copy the healthcare system of any other developed nation; they’re all less expensive and more effective than ours.

However, when asked about healthcare issues, voters overwhelmingly ranked cost at the top. The cost of drugs, doctors and insurance is the top issue for Democrats (42%) and Republicans (45%), according to Kaiser Family Foundation health system polling. Americans spend $4.5tn per year on healthcare, or more than $13,000 per person per year on healthcare, according to federal government data.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

US health system ranks last compared with peer nations, report finds

Most expensive, worst outcomes!





My “concept of a plan”: copy the healthcare system of any other developed nation; they’re all less expensive and more effective than ours.

The problem of moving to a single payer model is the US economy. 1 out of every 6 dollars in the economy is tied to healthcare. The best move would be to have the Feds take over all premium payments, while still keeping the insurance companies as the payer to health services providers.

The Feds can collect the portions from Employers which are paid on behalf of employee's to offset the money paid out to insurance as premiums, and remove the individual contributions. This would result in a tax shift. Where the individual would lose the healthcare deductions, and would also not have to pay healthcare premiums to insurance companies. However the Feds would have to levy a new tax scheme to help fund the health premium payment.

This is similar to the Canadian system (which has it's own issues) but it wouldn't have catastrophic issues by interfering in the economy. It would also lower overall health care costs, since insurers now have to deal with one payer, and negotiate pricing.

Single payer is proven to be effective in lowering over all healthcare costs, in modern economies.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The problem of moving to a single payer model is the US economy. 1 out of every 6 dollars in the economy is tied to healthcare. The best move would be to have the Feds take over all premium payments, while still keeping the insurance companies as the payer to health services providers.

The Feds can collect the portions from Employers which are paid on behalf of employee's to offset the money paid out to insurance as premiums, and remove the individual contributions. This would result in a tax shift. Where the individual would lose the healthcare deductions, and would also not have to pay healthcare premiums to insurance companies. However the Feds would have to levy a new tax scheme to help fund the health premium payment.

This is similar to the Canadian system (which has it's own issues) but it wouldn't have catastrophic issues by interfering in the economy. It would also lower overall health care costs, since insurers now have to deal with one payer, and negotiate pricing.

Single payer is proven to be effective in lowering over all healthcare costs, in modern economies.

The economy and healthcare: one issue that nobody talks about is that US companies are burdened with the enormous cost of paying for employee health insurance. It makes our companies less competitive in foreign trade.

Moving to any other healthcare system would save billions and make our businesses instantly more competitive.

 

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How a near-monopoly gained control of most of the nation’s electronic medical records, to the detriment of medical practice and doctor morale

But in practice, clinical needs are often sacrificed to profit maximization. The demands by Epic’s system on physician time have increasingly taken over the practice of medicine. Astonishingly, studies show that entering required data into the Epic system consumes about two hours of doctor time for every one hour spent providing hands-on patient care. The result has been an epidemic of doctor burnout and early retirements.

To its critics, Epic epitomizes everything perverse about the commercialized mess that American medicine has become. “Epic’s clients are not doctors. They are the CEOs and CFOs who write the checks to Epic,” says Dr. Bill Stead, who created pioneering electronic health record systems at Duke and then at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, both eventually supplanted by Epic.

JFC

Everything about the US medical industry is screwed up by leeches trying to consume the entire wealth of the nation.

 

[SevMax2]

Funny how we had a candidate who actually had a plan for this, not just a "concept of a plan," and people closed ranks to keep him from getting the nomination. Ugh.

 

[JuanVato]

I have good health insurance and have great care.

Without that, yeah it can be bad.

 

[MajorRewrite]

I have good health insurance and have great care.

Without that, yeah it can be bad.

Some employer-paid health insurance plans are good, and others not so good.

And the thing about employer-paid plans is they hide the (huge) cost from individuals. If everyone had to pay for their own individual plan, there would be an uproar at the cost.

 

[SevMax2]

To be honest, employer-provided insurance is a major drag on small and medium-sized business, as larger corporations like Walmart and Amazon can better afford it, of course, and the small merchant has a harder time dealing with this cost than his counterpart in countries with more state-managed or state-subsidized health care. Our current system screws small business over more than most.

 

[MajorRewrite]

To be honest, employer-provided insurance is a major drag on small and medium-sized business, as larger corporations like Walmart and Amazon can better afford it, of course, and the small merchant has a harder time dealing with this cost than his counterpart in countries with more state-managed or state-subsidized health care. Our current system screws small business over more than most.

True. I only have 16 employees and the cost of our health insurance is extortionate.

I also have the worry that the plan I chose will somehow screw over an employee when they need it.

 

[SevMax2]

True. I only have 16 employees and the cost of our health insurance is extortionate.

I also have the worry that the plan I chose will somehow screw over an employee when they need it.

I'm honestly surprised that so many small merchants still support the Republicans, for this and other similar reasons.

 

[JuanVato]

Some employer-paid health insurance plans are good, and others not so good.

And the thing about employer-paid plans is they hide the (huge) cost from individuals. If everyone had to pay for their own individual plan, there would be an uproar at the cost.

You are correct about that.

 

[Pad_Foot]

But!! We pay so much MORE!!
And that includes all the taxes that most people pay around the world
Long live our beloved insurance companies!! They deserve to cancel us out for prior conditions!! How much have they contributed as good “Americans” to make their America truly profitable again

 

[TastySuckToy]

People need to get rid of the perspective that health care is a right. Health care is provided by the labour and knowledge of others. And nobody has a right to others labour and knowledge.

This is why here in Canada our health care system is a disaster, our health care employees are massively overworked and underpaided, and Canadians flee to the US for health care services.

But our dictatorship government is stepping up its solutions, like expanding MAID services to those who suffer mental disorders. That does admittedly cut costs quite a bit.

 

[MajorRewrite]

An interesting video contrasting medical care costs in Germany and the US.

Her mother needed emergency brain surgery while visiting Germany.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Another failure of the Biden/Harris administration.

 

[JohnEngelman]

People need to get rid of the perspective that health care is a right. Health care is provided by the labour and knowledge of others. And nobody has a right to others labour and knowledge.

This is why here in Canada our health care system is a disaster, our health care employees are massively overworked and underpaided, and Canadians flee to the US for health care services.

But our dictatorship government is stepping up its solutions, like expanding MAID services to those who suffer mental disorders. That does admittedly cut costs quite a bit.

Americans pay more for health care than Canadians and get less beneficial results.

What is so disastrous about the Canadian health care system?

 

[JohnEngelman]

The reason health care costs so much in the United States is because much of the money goes to insurance companies, rather than to hospitals, medicine, doctors and nurses.

 

[Chernosoth]

Healthcare starts with healthy food. Americans eat garbage. Next is exercise. Americans don't exercise much while they drive to work, sit at desks all day, stare down at their phones in damaging neck posture, etc. The lab coated person sticking a finger in your butt is the last and least part of healthcare.

 

[TastySuckToy]

What is so disastrous about the Canadian health care system?

Go reread my post you quoted, it's written right in there.

 

[Politruk]

Go reread my post you quoted, it's written right in there.

Nothing in post #13 makes any sense.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

False equivalency. The US of A has no peer.


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[AceDesSpades]

Who picks the metrics?

Cui bono?

 

[AceDesSpades]

False equivalency. The US of A has no peer.


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Amen

Pass the plate

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Amen

Pass the plate

When we count it, do we toss the contents in the air and Allah can keep what he catches, and we get the rest???

 

[AceDesSpades]

the chaff is what we're usually left with/as