A serious question for redwave

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A serious question for redwave

You are being true to a thread started by MILES. An evasive oneliner that picks out individual words instead of answering why redwave being upset is any different than a member of the Libertarian Party being upset.

Good God Man..... Relax. You seem to be taking this far too seriously and REDWAVE has yet to even care to address this thread. How really important is all this? ~smiling~

 

[Coolville]

what a strange question.
why is it a person, because he criticizes his country, should move? It's the people who sit on their asses and do nothing apart from watch TV and maybe go to the mall and who don't even vote who should move.

Think about it. A man is passionate about his country. He sees, in his opinion, what is wrong with it. He wants to make it better, in his opinion. He is passionate about it. Seems like patriotism to me. He is no different than all the others on the other side of the spectrum.

People who use time and energy and passion in the hopes of improving their country. Agree with him, disagree with him, but let him exercise his right to complain, criticize, suggest alternatives.

What if abe lincoln said, "this country is fucked. all those southern bastards and their slaves. Makes me sick. I'm outta here. Book me a ticket to England/Canada..." Or what if the French just ate cake and didn't bother to revolt? and so on, and so on.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Yea ok....... ~smiling~ It's too late to be so deep. And as I said before REDWAVE seems to care less about this thread, so why are you all getting your tights in a wad over it?

 

[HeavyStick]

Think about it. A man is passionate about his country. He sees, in his opinion, what is wrong with it. He wants to make it better, in his opinion. He is passionate about it. Seems like patriotism to me. He is no different than all the others on the other side of the spectrum.

I see logic in your post, there is nothing wrong with change or improvement. miles can speak for himself, my opinion about redwave and a patriot are very different.

redwave (IMO) is a revolutionary and is not wanting to improve anything about the current administration, but a complete revolution. There is nothing wrong with a revolution.
My disagreement with redwave is he believes everything is a conspiracy and the US is run by a select few CEO's. Redwave will not discuss an issue point for point.

He starts a threads, feeds off of other's intelligence and does not debate. I have discussed things with Donkey Dick and PPman, but not with redwave, when he is at a position to address a point he starts another thread or bumps a previous one.

Redwave has the right to say all he wants, but when people from the left and right tell him how previous Socialist governments have choked the liberty of free speech and extended privileges to a select few, he disappears.

I wish redwave no harm, I just believe if he went to a Socialist Government he wouldn't like it. To me Redwave is an Anarchist.

 

[70/30]

Miles posting a question to Redwave hardly qualifies as a worthwhile political thread. I'm trying to put some meaning into it. I'm reading what Coolville just wrote and I agree completely. Extremewingers aren't useless, for some reason a person having political views that aren't in the current mainstream garners someone the label of "depraved and ungrateful", I don't understand why. It might go back to the great fears of MOBOCRACY/untrusting of humankind though. He sees a greatly flawed system and he wants to improve it, I wish more people would have that same vision-even if they disagreed with me because compromise could happen. To me that was the primary beauty of the Constitution, extremes blended to make something better than either side had brought to the table.

 

[HeavyStick]

I've seen miles post to redwave before, and the issue never got addressed.

So (IMO) miles starting this thread was an attempt to ensure redwave saw it.


I would like to see more political parties have a stronger stance in the political arena. I don't like the two party system we have now, it prevents new ideas and discussion.

 

[A Desert Rose]

He sees a greatly flawed system and he wants to improve it, I wish more people would have that same vision-even if they disagreed with me because compromise could happen. To me that was the primary beauty of the Constitution, extremes blended to make something better than either side had brought to the table.

He and you are not the only ones who see a greatly flawed system. But complaining, gripping and whining is not bringing ideas "to the table." Honest debate and discussion does. I have not seen that as yet on REDWAVES threads, the only debate is between other posters. He comes in with updates and news flashes and addresses nothing posed to him.

Remember this: One man's patriot is another man's nutball.

 

[miles]

redwave is conspicuously absent from this thread. Maybe he's somewhere else.

70/30, if you dislike my question and thread so much, it's your problem. Deal with it.

 

[70/30]

Miles you conspicuously have not added anything worth debating about. redwave DOES COMPROMISE, he shows guarded support for the democratic party. I doubt he voted for Eugene Debs the 5th. Maybe Redwave feels this isn't the venue to give up a considerable amount of cards when revealing his policy preferences. Uncle Bill has the same entrenched tactic. I still see no reason why one would be encouraged to leave and the other would be respected for his contributions.

I guess it is all about who tells you what you want to hear, those are some worthy judicial qualifications. I suggest a certain group of people do more reading about the intentions/desires of Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Hamilton, Burr, Madison, Morris, Marshall, Mason, Wilson, Story, etc. The constitution by design can be interpreted in many ways so facets can be molded to modern times. There should be a give and take debate between someone like Uncle Bill and Redwave, and founding fathers should be heavily mentioned. However, eliminate the fight of TJ one-liners. Few want to bring them up in context because they'd have to admit the urgent need for good faith compromising, from ALL SIDES.

 

[HeavyStick]

Miles you conspicuously have not added anything worth debating about.

How does your statement coincide with the initial post?

A serious question for redwave

Why do you continue living in the US?

You have nothing but hatred and contempt for the US. Your point of view is the country is becoming more and more capitalistic, oppressive, and racist as time goes on. I would think you'd emigrate to another country more in step with your political beliefs.

I'm honestly not baiting you. I think some other Lit members would be interested in your answer, too.

I don't see what has to be debated.

 

[70/30]

Miles has not brought up a topic of discussion, if he is sincerely curious-why not send him a PM? Coolville and myself have tried to expand the view but Miles must not care about the topic enough to bless us with his wisdom. Why should Redwave walk into Miles' halfbaked oneliners? History has proven that Miles won't give ground. Maybe Redwave is the same way. They should save time and effort and not enter the same threads, maybe Redwave decided to start the trend.

 

[Sandia]

I've discussed things with REDWAVE before.

However, on this one, I'll have to say: Miles is right. America, love it or leave it! If only the founding fathers had thought that way!

Why, if they had followed Miles example... think how much better off we'd all be!

 

[miles]

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However, on this one, I'll have to say: Miles is right. America, love it or leave it! If only the founding fathers had thought that way!

\!

Don't put words in my mouth, Cha-Cha. There are few slogans I hate more than "Love it or Leave It."

 

[miles]

70/30, the thread isn't titled: "70/30, please tell me why redwave chooses to live in a place he hates so much."

Nobody asked you.

 

[Aquila]

Re: Re: Re: A serious question for redwave

I'd be impressed if you gave Uncle Bill the same offer/threat, you won't though.

Who in the fuck is uncle bill?
Bill clinton? Bill Gates?

Do you mean Uncle George?

what am I just uninformed? who is uncle bill?

He is he that fucker that impregnated your dog or something?

 

[HeavyStick]

bump....



I just wanna see how long redwave will continue to avoid this thread.

 

[p_p_man]

I've seen miles post to redwave before, and the issue never got addressed.

Probably because if you do address a miles question it usually degenerates very rapidly into one line childish insults. So serious debaters rarely give him the time of day.

That's miles' way. Nothing solid just attention seeking...

ppman

 

[LordOfDarkness]

Land of the Free

What happens to freedom of speech?

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Land of the Free

What happens to freedom of speech?

Doesn't exist...

A myth...

A sop to the masses...

It'll probably end up the same way as any other freedom in Bush's America...

Down the tubes.

ppman

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: Re: Land of the Free

Down the tubes.

ppman

 

[Coolville]

America, love it or leave it! If only the founding fathers had thought that way!

My, my. How very democratic.

 

[phatcat]

bitchin' about how bad everything is

cretainly keeps you from taking any responsibility.

There are those who want to improve the system

There are those who want to overthrow the system

I think redwave belongs to the latter.

 

[Coolville]

Re: bitchin' about how bad everything is

cretainly keeps you from taking any responsibility.

There are those who want to improve the system

There are those who want to overthrow the system

I think redwave belongs to the latter.

so... those colonists who fought against Britain, wanting to overthrow the system... fighting and dying for independence. Where do they fit in? Or are they heroes merely because you agree with them. and everyone else are just morons?

 

[miles]

Actually, I'm not surprised redwave hasn't replied. Several months ago when I asked him how he justified the links and popups from his website for gambling and other cybercapitalistnausea, he conveniently ignored the question. I won't mention what he did instead, because it's irrelevant. The point is obvious. The guy barks like a dog but meows like a cat.

It's his choice whether or not to answer. Free speech includes the right to say nothing.

Okay guys, you can untie the knot in your skivvies now.

 

[miles]

Re: Re: bitchin' about how bad everything is

so... those colonists who fought against Britain, wanting to overthrow the system... fighting and dying for independence. Where do they fit in? Or are they heroes merely because you agree with them. and everyone else are just morons?

They are all dead.