A serious question for redwave

[miles]

Why do you continue living in the US?

You have nothing but hatred and contempt for the US. Your point of view is the country is becoming more and more capitalistic, oppressive, and racist as time goes on. I would think you'd emigrate to another country more in step with your political beliefs.

I'm honestly not baiting you. I think some other Lit members would be interested in your answer, too.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Why do you continue living in the US?

You have nothing but hatred and contempt for the US. Your point of view is the country is becoming more and more capitalistic, oppressive, and racist as time goes on. I would think you'd emigrate to another country more in step with your political beliefs.

I'm honestly not baiting you. I think some other Lit members would be interested in your answer, too.

I vote he move to Canada..... ~smiling~ All in favor? say aye.

 

[Azwed]

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I vote he move to Canada..... ~smiling~ All in favor? say aye.

I wouldn't do that to the 51st state errr I mean our friendly northern neighbors.

I am also curious as to his answer.

 

[April]

I've often wondered a similar thing about people who hate America so much. Yet they continue to live there and take advantage of the benefits. If they hate it so much why do they stay and raise their families?

 

[A Desert Rose]

Canadians think we are gun toting capitalists. REDWAVE seems to concur. I think it would be a great home for him.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I've often wondered a similar thing about people who hate America so much. Yet they continue to live there and take advantage of the benefits. If they hate it so much why do they stay and raise their families?

"Take advantage of the benefits" -- key words to his kind of thinking. Another word for it is "entitlements". Where else are they going to get it? They will never leave because of that.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

You forget the worker's paradise based in Havana, that would be the best place for him to go to realize his dreams.

 

[April]

Perhaps those were the wrong words. I was thinking of shopping, entertainment, education, semi-good roads, etc. Some of these things are very hard to find outside North America.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Perhaps those were the wrong words.

Maybe they were for you, but they are the correct choice of words for me. Mind if i take them as my own?

It IS about entitlements and benefits "they" (like REDWAVE) can fleece from the taxpayers. Plain and simple.... ~smiling devilishly~
Where else can they get that so easily? Why leave?

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Hell, he wouldn't even feel at home in Cuba any longer. Capitalism is sweeping Cuba for the first time in 50 years. He could always move to S Africa I guess. His sentiments would fit in well.

 

[70/30]

This thread sucks, probably originated in America. Some times people have relatives they don't feel comfortable moving 10000miles away from. He's not stupid, maybe he'd like to relocate to established Europe, Australia, New Zealand, or wherever else that is more flush with his beliefs than the USA is. It's not so easy to get a permit to work in places such as Sweden, especially with language barriers.

He states he believes in a true democracy with limits on the powers of corporations, Jefferson and Franklin had similar requests. He might believe that Americans really can be like the citizens from Sparta, if only the average person was allowed to contribute and justly benefit from the combined effort.

On the very shortterm, maybe he'd like to campaign/vote to get GWB defeated in yet another election, even with his penchant for abusing power he isn't likely to steal the throne again. Fight for justice here or there, American ideals(or lack thereof) still must be reformed for the well-being of the entire world.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Holy shit

This thread sucks, yada yada yada

Fight for justice here or there, American ideals(or lack thereof) still must be reformed for the well-being of the entire world.

Could you possibly take this any more seriously? Sheesh, relax and have some fun, will ya? But don't be peeing on my fun, Ok? ~smiling~

 

[70/30]

Miles wrote six sentences, I figure he must be seriously interested in why someone can find extreme displeasure in the way america is run but still reside here. Strict proponents of the Libertarian Party are just as guilty as someone like Redwave. He calls for more democracy, that means the people actually have power. A libertarian of the Jefferson ilk should have similar desires, in my opinion.

 

[A Desert Rose]

I cant speak for Miles. But I have not been serious since I started posting in here. ~smiling~

Miles? Are you truly that handsome? I have been wondering all day....... ~wink~

 

[miles]

70/30

When did you become redwave's press secretary? Where do you get off speaking for him?

redwave wants democracy? Democacy is majority rule - mob rule -not rule of law. The majority of white southerners denied blacks their civil rights for almost 100 years. The US is not a democracy, but a republic.

If you want to show your ignorance and put your own foot in your mouth, go for it. I have to wonder why you insist on doing it for redwave.

 

[miles]

I'm disappointed redwave isn't around

Really wanted to see his answer.

 

[70/30]

There are 10's of millions in the USA that are extremely displeased with the way America is run. Why is redwave different enough to be picked on? Look up his threads. He shouldn't have to put all his beliefs in one post to satisfy you. Especially since you offer nothing in return except crappy oneliners. Regular people don't have a say in government, the two major parties do not represent much of anyone.

He has his theories about what would work and Uncle Bill has his theories. Redwave doesn't trust big business and apparently Uncle Bill does. Slashing taxes and corporate regulations does nothing but give the people that already control the country more power while lessening the benefits/voice of the physical laborers. The CEOs aren't going to distribute the wealth around, so basically society takes a step back toward the true days of the Robber Barons. Apparently with Redwave's abstract belief in the spirit of Sparta, he thinks humans have many redeemable qualities.

As for the people worried so deeply about a MOBOCRACY, well why not be extremely more concerned about a handful of people with the majority of the power? Wondering why a select few rich people deserve it all when most are hardly versed in ethics and classical political thought. I'm telling you, this country's entire history goes back to Jefferson vs. Hamilton vs. Adams (disregarding inconsistent views on slavery). MILES which side do you claim?

 

[HeavyStick]

Why do you continue living in the US?
....

I'm honestly not baiting you. I think some other Lit members would be interested in your answer, too.

I am willing to donate $100 for a one way ticket to wherever redwave wants to go. And after some real oppression and hatred, violation of rights and freedom to shut the fuck up, redwave will see how good the US of A actually is.

 

[70/30]

Re: Re: A serious question for redwave

I am willing to donate $100 for a one way ticket to wherever redwave wants to go. And after some real oppression and hatred, violation of rights and freedom to shut the fuck up, redwave will see how good the US of A actually is.

I'd be impressed if you gave Uncle Bill the same offer/threat, you won't though.

 

[HeavyStick]

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I'd be impressed if you gave Uncle Bill the same offer/threat, you won't though.

I don't have an uncle Bill.

 

[70/30]

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I don't have an uncle Bill.

Fine, make the offer/threat to another person that follows every word to the Libertarian Party platform. They are in the same boat of ungratefulness as the Redwavists. Libertarians quote Jefferson like he's Jesus Christ, luckily they have selective memories or they'd be out too. TJ took extreme measures to prevent the USA from becoming a mercantile hellhole, similar to what England was circa 1800. He readily proposed extreme "death/inheritance taxes" because people should account for their own success. I think redwave's vision is closer to that of TJ's. But whatever you do, don't permit HD Thoreau to be read in public schools, he's TJ and redwave with a tent and an imagination.

In reality members of the Libertarian Party are quite safe in 21st century America. Personally, I think they really are Hamiltonians that don't need or want the centralising laws because they don't need it, wealth is already centralised. They can claim the Declaration of Independence and verbiage of Jefferson because it sounds better, you know more freedomy and patriotic.

Honestly, I'd like to be a centrist but America is pissing me off too much. The GWB/Reagan regime aren't even on the correct political plane that I'd want to centralise, it's like Napolean all over. A HodgePodge conquering republic that supposedly stands for something but little power is actually given to the citizens.

 

[HeavyStick]

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Fine, make the offer/threat to another person that follows every word to the Libertarian Party platform.

what threat? it's a donation, an offer. Is someone feeling a little disgruntled?

 

[70/30]

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what threat? it's a donation, an offer. Is someone feeling a little disgruntled?

You are being true to a thread started by MILES. An evasive oneliner that picks out individual words instead of answering why redwave being upset is any different than a member of the Libertarian Party being upset.

 

[HeavyStick]

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You are being true to a thread started by MILES. An evasive oneliner that picks out individual words instead of answering why redwave being upset is any different than a member of the Libertarian Party being upset.

ughhh

I made a simple post, you inflamed and (IMO) are attempting to draw me into your arguement/discussion for some reason. Was my post towards you? No. I have the right to avoid you. You have offered nothing to the thread that is within the confines of why it was started. Don't be bitter at me.

 

[70/30]

ultraRepublicans are true americans no matter how upset they get, hoo-RAY for them.