A Question About Rights if Gay Marriage Was Not Approved

[Ramone45]

Let's say the title "marriage" was not available to gay couples. Can't they still legally obtain the rights they say they are being denied? Is there such a thing as a "civil Union"? What is a "common law"marriage? Can't a gay couple legally designate each other for inheritance, and to visit each other in the hospital? You know, if they don't get those rights automatically, can't they obtain them (relatively easily)? I believe most health insurance companies would extend family coverage to a gay couple. I was just curious.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Let's say the title "marriage" was not available to gay couples. Can't they still legally obtain the rights they say they are being denied? Is there such a thing as a "civil Union"? What is a "common law"marriage? Can't a gay couple legally designate each other for inheritance, and to visit each other in the hospital? You know, if they don't get those rights automatically, can't they obtain them (relatively easily)? I believe most health insurance companies would extend family coverage to a gay couple. I was just curious.

Depends on the state, county or job.

 

[sigh]

Yes, gay couples can do those things. But they still wouldn't be married.

Heteros can do those things too, but most marry. There's a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with property rights or insurance companies.

 

[CandiCame]

Right now, you can't. When you file your taxes, you can't file jointly. When you go to adopt a child, you can't list your status as marriage, you have to file single. You can't legally co-parent a child. Your employer won't cover your partner on your insurance or other benefits. The government won't give your partner the benefits that they'd give a spouse. You don't have the legal standing of a spouse.

It's fucking stupid.

 

[KRCummings]

If they don't like it then they shouldn't have been born gay.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

How about 'we' just convey upon 'them' the same 'rights' as a 'hetero' couple?

Thank you and have a great night. Don't forget to tip your waitress.

 

[CandiCame]

If they don't like it then they shouldn't have been born gay.

If you're bi or pan it's so fucking stupid, because I could marry my girlfriend but not my boyfriend. It's a legal contract that's dependent on the legal sex of the participant, and that was supposed to have been outlawed by the 19th amendment almost 100 years ago. That it's still a goddamn debate is fucking retarded.

 

[blobfish]

If you're bi or pan it's so fucking stupid, because I could marry my girlfriend but not my boyfriend. It's a legal contract that's dependent on the legal sex of the participant, and that was supposed to have been outlawed by the 19th amendment almost 100 years ago. That it's still a goddamn debate is fucking retarded.

What does marriage have to do with voting?

 

[CandiCame]

What does marriage have to do with voting?

That amendment wasn't just about voting, it also outlawed sex discrimination on any kind of legal contract. Women were not able to enter into things like business ownership, land ownership that wasn't inherited, etc etc. A marriage contract is a legal contract. I'm thinking it was title 9 but I might be wrong about that. It was later backed up by the Civil Rights Act, so there's a fuckton of legal standing that this heteronormative gender-discriminatory marriage license laws are a bunch of bullshit.

 

[blobfish]

That amendment wasn't just about voting, it also outlawed sex discrimination on any kind of legal contract. Women were not able to enter into things like business ownership, land ownership that wasn't inherited, etc etc. A marriage contract is a legal contract. I'm thinking it was title 9 but I might be wrong about that. It was later backed up by the Civil Rights Act, so there's a fuckton of legal standing that this heteronormative gender-discriminatory marriage license laws are a bunch of bullshit.

You must be thinking of other related laws, because the 19th Amendment only gives women suffrage.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Marriage is a religious institution and the government shouldn't be involved in it at all. The government should treat every person as an individual.

But, as long as the government has it's big nose it in, the same rights should be afforded to the gay people as are given to the hetro people.

 

[CandiCame]

Marriage is a religious institution and the government shouldn't be involved in it at all. The government should treat every person as an individual.

But, as long as the government has it's big nose it in, the same rights should be afforded to the gay people as are given to the hetro people.

I've heard people speak of this, but I never understood it. Marriage is a legal contract that binds two people together for legal reasons. I don't understand how religion comes into play. I get that you would have a spiritual commitment ceremony or something like my grandparents did, but that's not a marriage. That's why my grandma can't get my gramps's retirement benefits- she fucked herself over by going spiritual rather then legal.