A "FAIR TAX" thread so U_D can "tear me to shreds..."

[Ulaven_Demorte]

You can't pretend that you know the mean example of behavior. I mean, you can't even correctly do this ... $1.00 * 1.30.

Well first you have to extract the already "invisible" imbedded tax of 23%.. carry the one.. subtract 3.1415 and divide the whole thing by 0..

Hmm..

 

[Pookie]

The $1.30 was a number pulled out of thin air based upon a fallacious reading of the FairTax and a confusion with microeconomics as opposed to macroeconomics.

As I pointed out the first time he invented this equation, one times anything is anything and this is just an anything that Throb invented out of his less-then-fertile imagination...

So, what does $1.00 * 1.30 equal? Answer the question, AJ.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

*chuckle*

Of course, any example that points to a flaw in your reasoning isn't applicable because you're talking about those "other people"..

Hey, any time you begin arguing by personal anecdote, you're already admitting you're on thin ground...

"I'm not driving up the health care costs, so obviously, you're wrong about that point there A_J, that people DON'T make sound cost-analysis decisions when they only pay a portion (or none) of the bill..."

 

[Pookie]

You aren't a mommy...

You aren't one of the mouth-breathers.

You can't pretend that you're the mean example of behavior.

You mean I'm not a mommy that can't now afford insurance ... and that I'm magically going to have all this money to pay co-insurance and deductibles with when I have insurance to run nilly willy to the doctor with?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Hey, any time you begin arguing by personal anecdote, you're already admitting you're on thin ground...

"I'm not driving up the health care costs, so obviously, you're wrong about that point there A_J, that people DON'T make sound cost-analysis decisions when they only pay a portion (or none) of the bill..."

What does it mean when you begin your argument by stuffing words into the other persons mouth so that you can then bash them over the head with what you say they said?

You're talking "means" here.. Based on your subjective opinion and trying to discount someone elses personal experience as "anecdotal"? really?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

So, what does $1.00 * 1.30 equal? Answer the question, AJ.

$1.30... I just said that, I think I just said it to fast...



Now look at Throb's explanation of where he got a that Dollar-thirty and you'll see why I'm laughing and dismissing it as $1.30%...

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Its a right! Americans seem to be the only ones (as a country) to think not.Hospitals are for the people not money though many specialists would disagree. Health care should be accessible to everyone. It is an excellent formula for revolution that inequity is allowed to exist and on that basis it would be difficult not to support a revolution based on health care. It might be said "Let them eat cake" but it is the cake eaters and not the deprived who one day might be lined up waiting while the common folks knit.

 

[Pookie]

Well first you have to extract the already "invisible" imbedded tax of 23%.. carry the one.. subtract 3.1415 and divide the whole thing by 0..

Hmm..

Somewhere in all his gyrations to do the calculation is a snot-nosed kid. I just know it.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

What does it mean when you begin your argument by stuffing words into the other persons mouth so that you can then bash them over the head with what you say they said?

It means that I had something to say to Pookie about how she noodles through issues and that she shouldn't just be popping off to call names wen she hasn't been following the discussion, she just wanted to jump in on the ad Hominems to brighten up her dull day...

She doesn't need a champion there Lance.

 

[Pookie]

$1.30... I just said that, I think I just said it to fast...



Now look at Throb's explanation of where he got a that Dollar-thirty and you'll see why I'm laughing and dismissing it as $1.30%...

I read the thread. I'm laughing at you. Again, you were thrashed. Well and good. Denial is so not sexy when your ass is painfully red from the whipping.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Somewhere in all his gyrations to do the calculation is a snot-nosed kid. I just know it.

No wonder.. I left out the snot-nosed kid variable.. dammit..

I think I'll stick to Boolean Algebra.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Its a right! Americans seem to be the only ones (as a country) to think not.Hospitals are for the people not money though many specialists would disagree. Health care should be accessible to everyone. It is an excellent formula for revolution that inequity is allowed to exist and on that basis it would be difficult not to support a revolution based on health care. It might be said "Let them eat cake" but it is the cake eaters and not the deprived who one day might be lined up waiting while the common folks knit.

Ishmael has a thread for that...

 

[Pookie]

It means that I had something to say to Pookie about how she noodles through issues and that she shouldn't just be popping off to call names wen she hasn't been following the discussion, she just wanted to jump in on the ad Hominems to brighten up her dull day...

She doesn't need a champion there Lance.

My "noodling" is your grandly exaggerating something I said into something it clearly wasn't to deflect the discussion at hand. In other words, you lied. You can call it what you want though.

 

[Pookie]

You're talking "means" here.. Based on your subjective opinion and trying to discount someone elses personal experience as "anecdotal"? really?

Ain't he cute when he does that?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

It means that I had something to say to Pookie about how she noodles through issues and that she shouldn't just be popping off to call names wen she hasn't been following the discussion, she just wanted to jump in on the ad Hominems to brighten up her dull day...

She doesn't need a champion there Lance.

Oh I'm sorry.. Did I interrupt your private communications on this very public message board?

Pookie doesn't need anyone's help to make you look like a tool Cap'n. I'm just watching her tear you a new one, interjecting my own comments, and laughing my ass off (which is noticably smaller since my last preventative health care visit steered me toward a healthier lifestyle and has resulted in 42 lbs... so far.. of weight loss and the path to a much healthier, and much less expensive medical future).

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

My "noodling" is your grandly exaggerating something I said into something it clearly wasn't to deflect the discussion at hand. In other words, you lied. You can call it what you want though.

Preventative health care adds cost. That is not a lie.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Good for you U_D. You needed to lose weight; we could tell from the pictures...

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Preventative health care adds cost. That is not a lie.

So it's your position that an echocardiogram that catches a heart condition so it can be treated is going to cost the insurance company, or an uninsured person, more in the long run than an undiagnosed heart condition and resultant emergency procedures would?

Just wondering.

 

[Pookie]

Preventative health care adds cost. That is not a lie.

I've never said it didn't.

Preemptive strike: I never said the sky wasn't blue either.

 

[Pookie]

So it's your position that an echocardiogram that catches a heart condition so it can be treated is going to cost the insurance company, or an uninsured person, more in the long run than an undiagnosed heart condition and resultant emergency procedures would?

Just wondering.

You're adding conditions to his argument. That's not fair. Preventive medicine adds costs. End of discussion, doncha know?

 

[Pookie]

Good for you U_D. You needed to lose weight; we could tell from the pictures...

Now we need to work on your math skills. Now THAT's going to be a money pit!

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Good for you U_D. You needed to lose weight; we could tell from the pictures...

Careful, you just advocated the use of preventative medicine there inadvertantly.

Had it not been for my doctor's advice after a preventative medical visit I would still be at a higher risk for serious health consequences and a much higher financial burden on my insurance company.

 

[RobDownSouth]

My "noodling" is your grandly exaggerating something I said into something it clearly wasn't to deflect the discussion at hand. In other words, you lied. You can call it what you want though.

http://imgur.com/oG4Sl.jpg

 

[firespin]

The $1.30 was a number pulled out of thin air based upon a fallacious reading of the FairTax and a confusion with microeconomics as opposed to macroeconomics.

As I pointed out the first time he invented this equation, one times anything is anything and this is just an anything that Throb invented out of his less-then-fertile imagination...

The 30% tax-exclusive rate comes directly from the FAQ on the fairtax.org site. That hardly seems pulled out of the air, or fallacious.

For those things, we have to see post #48 http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=33394435&postcount=48

Where AJ attempts to show that if you remove a 23% inclusive tax and replace it with a 23% exclusive tax, you come out ahead...and of course you do*, but the FairTax is a 23% inclusive tax, so you can't legally do what he did there. That calculation is on the very first page of the bill once you get past the definitions.

The question on the table is why he does that? Is he stupid, or underhanded? I realize it could be both. So far stupid seems to be more likely: "never attribute to malice what can be explained by simple incompetence."

* - this is basically the same paradox the scenario where, if you lose 50% on your investments Monday and gain 50% on Tuesday, you're still out 25%. And, curiously, if you reverse that--you're up 50% on Monday and down 50% on Tuesday--it's the same result.

 

[firespin]

Plus I still want to know why $10,000 of financial intermediation sales is not taxed, but only for small organizations. I thought the Fair Tax was fair? But here there are different rules for different types of transactions, different transaction values, and different people involved.

Even if we did have a national sales tax, in less than ten years the table of rates due on different types and dollar values of transactions, indexed by type of buyer and seller, would rival the size of the current tax code.