A "FAIR TAX" thread so U_D can "tear me to shreds..."

[firespin]

Well, if it was $1.00 under the current embedded taxes, and then the Fairtax were passed, I would pay $0.97 out of pocket.

Bwahaha!

So, Mr. Rocket Scientist, since everything costs less, we don't need the prebate, right? The working poor are already getting a break on payroll taxes, the non-working poor are not payin anything, and so why give them yet more handouts?

 

[Saint Peter]

That's Catholic school skirts DUMMY!!!

"...at the CYO
where they're learning to blow..."

 

[firespin]

That's an ad hominem attack like when we "deniers" tried to point out the fallacies of the Glow Ball Warning hoax and were labeled "flat earthers."

Do you like Throb's gutter, or what?

I don't care if you want to be crazy. Go for it.

BTW, AIDS is not like global warming. Most people know that.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Bwahaha!

So, Mr. Rocket Scientist, since everything costs less, we don't need the prebate, right? The working poor are already getting a break on payroll taxes, the non-working poor are not payin anything, and so why give them yet more handouts?

I think the prebate was more of a political decision knowing that some people are so fucking shallow, frustrated, and envious, that they cannot ever get beyond the point of "Kill Igor's Goat."

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I don't care if you want to be crazy. Go for it.

BTW, AIDS is not like global warming. Most people know that.

8 months ago most people KNEW the ice caps were melting, the oceans were rising, and if we didn't act immediately, the earth would be dead in 20 years, 10 years, a year, hell, it's too late...

AIDS went down the same way, like the Bird Flu Pandemic, it was going to kill MILLIONS in 20 years, 10 years, a year, hell, it's too late...

Try reading Duesberg's book.

Then check out the history of how they did everything they could to destroy him, just like the Glow Ball Warning crowd shut down it's opposition with its "peer reviewed" work...



Of course, unlike the AIDS community which can't find a cure (since AIDS is an umbrella disease) Duesberg actually keeps adding to the body of science in a way that even his trashers could not deny in the long-run.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

And, if and when they find an HIV vaccine, they will then move on to demanding funding for non-HIV AIDS, since "curing" HIV won't end AIDS because it's a lifestyle syndrome.



It's like when SOME people figured out the earth wasn't actually warming and Glow Ball Warning became anthrax-o-morphological climate change, and the causes and solutions were all still the same.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Well, if it was $1.00 under the current embedded taxes, and then the Fairtax were passed, I would pay $0.97 out of pocket.

And you hate that because micro-economically you collect less money and if you actually put a price floor in and got $1 for that candy bar, then it would be a 30% tax, or better yet, you want to pretend that the candy bar's price remains $1.00 and THEN you get to pay an additional tax so you'd be out another 23 cents...

AJ, quit making this needlessly complex.

• The FairTax passes.
  
• You walk into Walmart.
  
• The price on the candy bar says $1.00.

How much do you pay the cashier?

Forget embedded taxes, forget everything else....

HOW MUCH MONEY WILL YOU PAY OUT OF POCKET?

Tell us.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

AJ, quit making this needlessly complex.

• The FairTax passes.
  
• You walk into Walmart.
  
• The price on the candy bar says $1.00.

How much do you pay the cashier?

Forget embedded taxes, forget everything else....

HOW MUCH MONEY WILL YOU PAY OUT OF POCKET?

Tell us.

Then you pay $1.00.

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[RobDownSouth]

Then you pay $1.00.

Wrong. Try Again.

If something is $1.00 plus tax....how much money do you pay out of pocket.
Tell us.

 

[Sean]

Gosh, I wish I had a mathmatics degree.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Wrong. Try Again.

If something is $1.00 plus tax....how much money do you pay out of pocket.
Tell us.

I answered the question EXACTLY as you asked it.

So, your turn.

Today the candy bar is $1.00. Tuesday the FairTax passes. Wednesday, what will that Candy Bar cost you, OUT OF POCKET?

 

[RobDownSouth]

I answered the question EXACTLY as you asked it.

So, your turn.

Today the candy bar is $1.00. Tuesday the FairTax passes. Wednesday, what will that Candy Bar cost you, OUT OF POCKET?

You did not answer my question correctly.

The FairTax mandates a national sales tax on purchases.

The Sales Tax rate is 30% (or 23% tax-inclusive)

"Manufacturing Cost" "embedded taxes" "fair market value"...all irrelevant. All that matters is your purchase price.

You walk into Walmart, and buy a candy bar for $1.00.

You walk up to the cashier and he/she rings it up, $1.00 plus tax.

HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU GIVE THE CASHIER?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Gosh, I wish I had a mathmatics degree.

Notice the caveats and non-sequiturs in his answers.

He absolutely refuses to give a simple answer to a simple question.

If something is priced at one dollar, and the sales tax is 30% tax-exclusive (or 23% tax-inclusive, take your pick), how much money do you give the cashier?

Most people would realize that you would give the cashier $1.30.

Isn't this right, AJ? Hmmmmmmmmm?

 

[firespin]

I think the prebate was more of a political decision knowing that some people are so fucking shallow, frustrated, and envious, that they cannot ever get beyond the point of "Kill Igor's Goat."

I see. You realize this makes no sense, right? Nobody spends hundreds of billions a year for PR. That's like an "unneeded" stimulus program every year.

8 months ago most people KNEW the ice caps were melting, the oceans were rising, and if we didn't act immediately, the earth would be dead in 20 years, 10 years, a year, hell, it's too late...

AIDS went down the same way, like the Bird Flu Pandemic, it was going to kill MILLIONS in 20 years, 10 years, a year, hell, it's too late...

Try reading Duesberg's book.

Then check out the history of how they did everything they could to destroy him, just like the Glow Ball Warning crowd shut down it's opposition with its "peer reviewed" work...



Of course, unlike the AIDS community which can't find a cure (since AIDS is an umbrella disease) Duesberg actually keeps adding to the body of science in a way that even his trashers could not deny in the long-run.

AIDS progress can be directly observed in clinical trials with control groups. Global warming over decades, not so much. So, no, they're not at all the same. And you call yourself educated. And yes, that IS an ad hominem...but a richly deserved one.

Duesberg is a bigger fraud than any of the AGW crowd could ever hope to be.

His advised South Africa on how to deal with AIDS, and that only cost, what, 330,000 lives? Haiti and a half, from this one guy. Way more than the bird or swine flu. Nice.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2008-releases/researchers-estimate-lives-lost-delay-arv-drug-use-hivaids-south-africa.html

Of course, it's all a conspiracy, right. This one guy is right, everybody else is wrong, even though when you do what he suggests, hundreds of thousands die. To me, endorsing that is the type of well, sluggishness that Rob can only view with awe.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Well, if it was $1.00 under the current embedded taxes, and then the Fairtax were passed, I would pay $0.97 out of pocket.

And you hate that because micro-economically you collect less money and if you actually put a price floor in and got $1 for that candy bar, then it would be a 30% tax, or better yet, you want to pretend that the candy bar's price remains $1.00 and THEN you get to pay an additional tax so you'd be out another 23 cents...

http://icons.iconator.com/891/ICONATOR_c204357d6f114aa92a62b5658ffd1ae6.gif

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Notice the caveats and non-sequiturs in his answers.

He absolutely refuses to give a simple answer to a simple question.

If something is priced at one dollar, and the sales tax is 30% tax-exclusive (or 23% tax-inclusive, take your pick), how much money do you give the cashier?

Most people would realize that you would give the cashier $1.30.

Isn't this right, AJ? Hmmmmmmmmm?

Still trying to make that fallacy work?

What was the price of the candy bar BEFORE the FairTax?

Most people are sheep enough to believe that if you keep repeating that over and over and over it must be true because they're too lazy to go back into the thread and read the posts that debunk your "math."

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

No, it makes perfect sense, if you go back into this thread, one of the main objections that just comes instinctively from the gut of the altruist, the envious, the frustrated, or the progressive is the plaintive "what about the noble poor, this bill really socks it to the noble poor..."

Note also, that Throb keeps returning to a macroeconomic statement, the dollar for dollar replacement of the current revenue with a microeconomic example and some, "semantic" math which repeatedly, and magically, like Jack's beans, turns $0.23 into $0.30...




And he's not ever going to stop, like U_D, he's going to keep saying it until no one will ever reply AGAIN to it and then claim he's kicked some ass with an "irrefutable" argument.

*chuckle*

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Hey AJ: $1.00 * 1.30 = ??

It = $1.30 dumbass, anything times 1 does. Do you mean maybe the fallacious $1+$1*0.30?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Still trying to make that fallacy work?

What was the price of the candy bar BEFORE the FairTax?

Most people are sheep enough to believe that if you keep repeating that over and over and over it must be true because they're too lazy to go back into the thread and read the posts that debunk your "math."

No AJ...it's very simple.

The price of something is $1.00

The sales tax rate is 30%.

The amount you pay the cashier is $1.00 * 1.30, or $1.30

No amount of spinning on your part can change that fact.

You will walk out of that store and your pockets will be one dollar bill, one quarter and one nickel lighter.

You can throw out non-sequiturs about embedded taxes, fair market value, phase of the moon, anything you want....

But the FACT remains, if the PRICE of something in a store is $1.00, you will PAY THE CASHIER $1.30 under the FairTax....probably more if your state has sales tax.

That's not us having a "difference of opinion", that's a FACT.

A FACT you seem to be unable or unwilling to admit.

 

[RobDownSouth]

No, it makes perfect sense, if you go back into this thread, one of the main objections that just comes instinctively from the gut of the altruist, the envious, the frustrated, or the progressive is the plaintive "what about the noble poor, this bill really socks it to the noble poor..."

Note also, that Throb keeps returning to a macroeconomic statement, the dollar for dollar replacement of the current revenue with a microeconomic example and some, "semantic" math which repeatedly, and magically, like Jack's beans, turns $0.23 into $0.30...




And he's not ever going to stop, like U_D, he's going to keep saying it until no one will ever reply AGAIN to it and then claim he's kicked some ass with an "irrefutable" argument.

*chuckle*

Learn to distinguish between "price" and "cost" and get back to me, m'kay?

We're leaving "cost" out of this discussion. I'm simply pointing out the OUT-OF-POCKET cost of an item under the FairTax.

If something is PRICED at $1.00, you will PAY OUT-OF-POCKET $1.30 at the cash register.

This is not a "difference of opinion", this is a fact.

Your "23% tax-inclusive" snake oil translates to $1.30 PAID OUT-OF-POCKET in the real world.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

No, it's not simple, and that's the problem with your example.

If you're assuming that the candy bar is $1.00 and that the FairTax is in place, then the lie by omission is what was the price of the candy bar before the cost of compliance was removed? Until you show us you can do that math, we are free to doubt the rest of your math.

It's a simple Algebra problem...

You do remember Algebra, right Algernon, I mean Charlie...?

 

[RobDownSouth]

No, it's not simple, and that's the problem with your example.

If you're assuming that the candy bar is $1.00 and that the FairTax is in place, then the lie by omission is what was the price of the candy bar before the cost of compliance was removed? Until you show us you can do that math, we are free to doubt the rest of your math.

It's a simple Algebra problem...

You do remember Algebra, right Algernon, I mean Charlie...?

Alright AJ, Let's play that game.

The FairTax is enacted, and *poof* you get your magic 23% "embedded cost savings".

That Snickers bar at the Walmart that was $1.00 pre-FairTax is now 77 cents.

HOW MUCH WILL YOU PAY THE CASHIER WHEN YOU BUY ONE NOW?

Please state your out-of-pocket cost.

 

[firespin]

It could be worse.

Rob could be saying that a tax that has to yield 23% of a transaction is the same as adding 23 cents to a $1.00 item. That would actually yield

.23 / 1.23 = 18.7% of the transaction.

But fortunately for us, he hasn't been brainwashed by a book.

There are people out there who are so gullible they'll believe whatever they read, e.g. KingOrfeo. Especially if the thoughts expressed as "unpopular"...everybody knows that prophets are not honored in their own time, there's a vast left wing (right wing) (elitist) (zionist) conspiracy to hide the truth from the sheep.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

.77(.23)=.1771
.77+.18 = .95

A savings of 5¢ and and exclusive rate of...,

77/1 as 18/x = 18/77 = .2337

Now, the assumption you keep making is that we HAVE to get a dollar to get the "FairTax" to make a dollar for dollar match and thus we will need a $30% tax. This, again is trying to mash-up micro-and macroeconomics.

Lower taxes mean increased business activity which results in greater tax revenue.

 

[firespin]

.77(.23)=.1771
.77+.18 = .95

A savings of 5¢ and and exclusive rate of...,

77/1 as 18/x = 18/77 = .2337

Now, the assumption you keep making is that we HAVE to get a dollar to get the "FairTax" to make a dollar for dollar match and thus we will need a $30% tax. This, again is trying to mash-up micro-and macroeconomics.

Lower taxes mean increased business activity which results in greater tax revenue.

18 cents on a 95 cent transaction would be an (inclusive) tax of 18.9%, so we would be in violation of the Fair Tax law that calls for 23% of the gross price, at least in the first year.