A different view of gay marriage.

[Ishmael]

I ran across this article the other day. An article written by Dennis Prager. Yeah, Prager is conservative and a practicing Jew, but he wrote this article without reference to religion or anything biblical. Actually it's the first well thought out article I've read on the subject in quite some time.

Gay marriage

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I read that yesterday or the day before.

Very thought provoking, but we do know Marx wrote that marriage was one of the institutions that had to be smashed and destroyed in order to bring about his grand dream, the dream shared by Barack's father, mother, grandparents, stepfather, mentor(s), professors, associates, preacher, appointees...,

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I also found this very interesting:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/05/16/the-battle-of-the-sexes-all-fo

 

[Liar]

Motherhood and fatherhood seems to be the key argument, if i understand that correctly. Can we then from that draw the logical conclusion that Dennis Prager wants to outlaw childless marriages too?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Motherhood and fatherhood seems to be the key argument, if i understand that correctly. Can we then from that draw the logical conclusion that Dennis Prager wants to outlaw childless marriages too?

If you wish, you may, but that would be focusing on the walnut tree...

AJ: I live in an oak forest...

fs: AJ, I'm standing in front of this tree and it's clearly a walnut, you don't live in an oak forest.

AJ: A forest will have more than one type of tree, but one usually predominates.

fs: All I see is this fucking Walnut tree! You're misusing the term Oak. It's just a forest.

AJ: 90% of the trees are oak.

fs: Now, you're just redefining the terms... We can't go any further with this conversation until you admit that this is a walnut tree...

AJ: Yes firespin, it's a walnut tree.

fs: Then you lied, you're stupid, you're inconsistent, and you make NO sense what-so-ever...

The point is about cornerstones, not the occasional brick blemish.

 

[Saint Peter]

...and single parents...

You fuckers sing about big government being the devil and then you want that same big government to decide who can or cannot get married.

Let the people decide what is right for them. Mind your own fucking business.

 

[Ishmael]

It's interesting to see the push back coming from non-religious quarters.

I had to chuckle over Tucker's paragraph about evolution and genetics. Remember my premise that if it were proven that homosexuality was genetic there would be a in-utero test devised and the elective abortion rate would jump.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

...and single parents...

You fuckers sing about big government being the devil and then you want that same big government to decide who can or cannot get married.

Let the people decide what is right for them. Mind your own fucking business.

We're pretty much on the same page as Obama and he pretty much thinks you're an idiot who will defend him by fighting us for saying the same damned thing...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's interesting to see the push back coming from non-religious quarters.

I had to chuckle over Tucker's paragraph about evolution and genetics. Remember my premise that if it were proven that homosexuality was genetic there would be a in-utero test devised and the elective abortion rate would jump.

Ishmael

I posted something last week, a breakdown of the numbers and the number of people desiring to be homosexually married is not worth the price of the ballyhoo and alligator tears.

Most of their beefs are actually tax code beefs that they share with the single...

 

[Ishmael]

Motherhood and fatherhood seems to be the key argument, if i understand that correctly. Can we then from that draw the logical conclusion that Dennis Prager wants to outlaw childless marriages too?

No, that's not the key argument. The argument is that biological genders become differences without distinctions. When the sexes become freely interchangeable then why should any gender enjoy any sort of legal protections or separate facilities? That neither man as man or woman as woman have anything of any particular interest, or value, to bring to the table, be that the raising of a child or contributions to society in general.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No one changes his sex, if a male adopts all of Lady Gagas cosmetic appearance he'll be male if perfessers open his grave 10,000 years from now and examine his remains. Lipstick wont change his Y chromosome to an X.

The best place to experience a bear is out in the forest, not in a cage, not on a leash.

 

[miles]

I Remember my premise that if it were proven that homosexuality was genetic there would be a in-utero test devised and the elective abortion rate would jump.

Ishmael

Could we apply that to liberalism as well?

 

[Saint Peter]

We're pretty much on the same page as Obama and he pretty much thinks you're an idiot who will defend him by fighting us for saying the same damned thing...

You bring Obama into everything. I do not. My stance on this has nothing to do with your President and everything to do with freedom and letting people follow the path in life they want to follow.

Gay marriage does not harm you. If that couple decides to adopt children, those kids will grow up and function just like a million other kids. It does not hurt you if the surviving partner gets the benefits of the deceased. It does not harm you if they buy the trailer next to yours.

Stop stomping on freedom.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You bring Obama into everything. I do not. My stance on this has nothing to do with your President and everything to do with freedom and letting people follow the path in life they want to follow.

Gay marriage does not harm you. If that couple decides to adopt children, those kids will grow up and function just like a million other kids. It does not hurt you if the surviving partner gets the benefits of the deceased. It does not harm you if they buy the trailer next to yours.

Stop stomping on freedom.

Fallacious argument.

The mass axe murderer over on the other block reducing the transient population does not harm me either...

Prove that it cannot possibly harm the children, especially when they try to emulate their role models and end up sexually confused and frustrated.

 

[Adre]

I have tried to understand why so many people oppose same sex marriage, and I cant't. I listened to Ted Olson, the fairly conservative former Solicitor General, passionately defend these unions, saying they were matters of the heart. He seemed to think they were protected by the Constitution. Even if they are not (pursuit of happiness would seem to apply), why do so many of you care who marries who? Particularly if you fancy yourself a conservative believing in limited government intrusion.

 

[Saint Peter]

I have tried to understand why so many people oppose same sex marriage, and I cant't. I listened to Ted Olson, the fairly conservative former Solicitor General, passionately defend these unions, saying they were matters of the heart. He seemed to think they were protected by the Constitution. Even if they are not (pursuit of happiness would seem to apply), why do so many of you care who marries who? Particularly if you fancy yourself a conservative believing in limited government intrusion.

Conservative when it fits.

Religious on Sunday.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I recently connected with some of my childhood pals on FACEBOOK. In our youths we were raging homophobes with sharp harpoons. Two of these guys have gay children, and neither of them speaks of it or is comfortable with the subject. We didnt have that problem when we were in school.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I have tried to understand why so many people oppose same sex marriage, and I cant't. I listened to Ted Olson, the fairly conservative former Solicitor General, passionately defend these unions, saying they were matters of the heart. He seemed to think they were protected by the Constitution. Even if they are not (pursuit of happiness would seem to apply), why do so many of you care who marries who? Particularly if you fancy yourself a conservative believing in limited government intrusion.

Because "gay" is an emotional label designed to make you feel empathy and get into the spirit of fairness in order to misdirect you from the larger goal of deconstructing the culture and rebuilding it to the dreams of the faculty lounge where sheer boredom causes them to find causes and injustice under every rock created by the hated and reviled middle-class (the class formerly known as the Bourgeoisie).

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
CS Lewis

 

[JohnnySavage]

I have tried to understand why so many people oppose same sex marriage, and I cant't. I listened to Ted Olson, the fairly conservative former Solicitor General, passionately defend these unions, saying they were matters of the heart. He seemed to think they were protected by the Constitution. Even if they are not (pursuit of happiness would seem to apply), why do so many of you care who marries who? Particularly if you fancy yourself a conservative believing in limited government intrusion.

Link?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Link?

This Diogenes bit is cracking me up...




I know, get out of your spotlight and return the mic.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I'm a very Stoic man.

 

[Adre]

Link?

Sorry, don't have one. He was interviewed on one of the morning shows this past Sunday. I know what I heard. I think it was Meet the Press.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Sorry, don't have one. He was interviewed on one of the morning shows this past Sunday. I know what I heard. I think it was Meet the Press.

Oh no, I was looking for the link that the pursuit of happiness is a Constitutional right.

 

[miles]

You bring Obama into everything.
.

Maybe it's because Obama puts himself out there on everything except the economy, foreign policy, and capitalism.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm a very Stoic man.

The new Heroic.